Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

Vertigo100 · 11-08-2014 10:41PM

Man I really hate the term willy waving. Sounds ****ing ridiculous.

Ed The Equalizer · 11-08-2014 10:41PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Whilst ignoring the fact that the negatives right now in terms of squad changes have us as at net loss if anything and certainly nowhere near a gain :rolleyes:

Cheer all you want but it's simply pot kettle black stuff to criticise people for not considering the positives when you discard the negatives.

So we've got rid of the players who were over the hill and in this calendar year added Mata, Shaw, Herrera.

That and the managerial change for me is not just a gain but an enormous gain.

JaMarcusHustle · 11-08-2014 10:43PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

you seem to know alot about Mitchs past (or an incident that happened 2, if not 3 years ago) for somebody who only joined a few months back.

I've not once tried to hide the fact that I've been using this website for the best part of 8/9 years. But carry on.

Ed The Equalizer · 11-08-2014 10:45PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

this is not a go at you but bit in bold should set few alarm bells.

we should not be in a position to have to do this and weaken the squad. only if total emergency in injury department

Agreed.

I'd be surprised if we don't sign at least one defender.

Your Airbag · 11-08-2014 10:45PM

I don't see anyone saying LVG is perfect on here. I see people happy with the system and positive way he has the team playing.

I see people being realistic about the fact a lot of deals happen late in the window and we have weeks left. We bid for Vermalen so LVG knows we need cover in defense.

People understand that a lot of teams dont hit full fitness until mid late september and and with our kind fixture list any late sigings won't be missing any of the crunch games early on.

I do see people calling out the usual poster on their boring, toys out of the pram, anti Woodward, I want signins now, I'm in the know attitude when they are reading the same articles as everyone else but drawing ridiculous conclusions because they dont have the patience required that every tansfer window demands when your dealing with rags papers bs'ing, agent trying to jack up a price, players flip flopping about what to do and managers trying not to sell or to hard to sell at the wrong price.

homerjay2005 · 11-08-2014 10:46PM

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

I've not once tried to hide the fact that I've been using this website for the best part of 8/9 years. But carry on.

thats grand then, you have your reasons for closing and setting up new accounts, which is your business - mitch decided not to go down that route.

i fail to see however why you feel the need to bring up an incident from another forum from years ago, to belittle another poster on here? fair enough, i recall you making an issue of it back then and perhaps it was justified, but to bring it up years later, is a pretty low thing to do to be honest.

JaMarcusHustle · 11-08-2014 10:48PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

I don't see anyone saying LVG is perfect on here. I see people happy with the system and positive way he has the team playing.

I see people being realistic about the fact a lot of deals happen late in the window and we have weeks left. We bid for Vermalen so LVG knows we need cover in defense.

People understand that a lot of teams dont hit full fitness until mid late september and and with our kind fixture list any late sigings won't be missing any of the crunch games early on.

I do see people calling the usual poster on their toys out of the pram, anti Woodward, I want signins now, I'm in the know attitude when they are reading the same articles as everyone else but drawing ridiculous conclusions because they dont have the patience required every tansfer window.

You can play through a summer in FIFA in less than half an hour. It takes 3 months in the real world. With real money that people have to be held accountable for.

1st world problems!

Adamcp898 · 11-08-2014 10:48PM

Taok wrote: »

So we've got rid of the players who were over the hill and in this calendar year added Mata, Shaw, Herrera.

And now have a thread bare squad at the back.

We could have kept the likes of Vidic and Evra on as squad players and not now be under pressure to sign back ups and instead be concentrating on signing a quality CM or CB to improve the overall first XI. The problem with the squad was never it's depth, but it's lack of world class quality in key positions. We have chosen to make depth a problem now on top of that though.

I deleted the LvG line because I'm talking about playing staff, I agree he is a massive improvement but he'll still need bodies to work with and, as others have pointed out, if those who are injury prone continue to be so he won't have many.

Strumms · 11-08-2014 10:49PM

Taok wrote: »

So we've got rid of the players who were over the hill and in this calendar year added Mata, Shaw, Herrera.

That and the managerial change for me is not just a gain but an enormous gain.

Agreed, however as it stands if deadline day was tomorrow and we don't sign anyone else ? Is 'gain' good enough ? For a club of the standing of Man Utd ? Should we not be using our muscle and sending a message ? To come back after last season it's been generally agreed we need to add 6 players and we have added two. I'm happy with the two we have but if we are to weight our talent, our straights and weaknesses against the opposition is it enough ? Just putting it out there.

Your Airbag · 11-08-2014 10:50PM

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

You can play through a summer in FIFA in less than half an hour. It takes 3 months in the real world. With real money that people have to be held accountable for.

1st world problems!

I'm sure your making a point of some sort

homerjay2005 · 11-08-2014 10:51PM

it really is baffling to see how people see it as a positive(and its really crept in here lately) that losing Vidic, Evra and Rio is seen as a positive on here. its the only place i have seen it. if Rio for example had been kept on until he was replaced, you wouldnt see as many people complaining about our options - he was poor last year, but 90% of our squad played at that level.

fine if we replaced them with world class talent, but we have not done it and with Fabio and buttner also gone, thats 5 defenders gone. id rather have them "deadwood" in the squad that no wood at all.

people have short memories.

JaMarcusHustle · 11-08-2014 10:52PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

thats grand then, you have your reasons for closing and setting up new accounts, which is your business - mitch decided not to go down that route.

i fail to see however why you feel the need to bring up an incident from another forum from years ago, to belittle another poster on here? fair enough, i recall you making an issue of it back then and perhaps it was justified, but to bring it up years later, is a pretty low thing to do to be honest.

Because Mitch is cartoon like in his over the top reactions before a ball has even been kicked. And I don't have the restraint not to read his posts every time he comes in with toys in hand ready to launch.

Were this Ferguson in charge and areas not being addressed, then I'd actually be thanking his posts and agreeing, as there was a trend to go on and get upset over. But it's not, it's a new manager in a new job with new players with 3 weeks left in the window. Boggles the mind how neither of you can see how annoying you're being.

JaMarcusHustle · 11-08-2014 10:53PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

I'm sure your making a point of some sort

I'm agreeing with your final paragraph, in a roundabout way mind you!

FutureGuy · 11-08-2014 10:54PM

I can't believe that the transfer window closes tonight.

Oh wait.

It doesn't.

Paul Tergat · 11-08-2014 10:55PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

it really is baffling to see how people see it as a positive(and its really crept in here lately) that losing Vidic, Evra and Rio is seen as a positive on here. its the only place i have seen it. if Rio for example had been kept on until he was replaced, you wouldnt see as many people complaining about our options - he was poor last year, but 90% of our squad played at that level.

fine if we replaced them with world class talent, but we have not done it and with Fabio and buttner also gone, thats 5 defenders gone. id rather have them "deadwood" in the squad that no wood at all.

people have short memories.

Pretty ironic statement. Remember how **** both Rio and Evra were last season? Cause I do.

I get what you are saying in that we have lost both a wealth of experience and numbers but those 2 really did need to go. We replaced Evra with someone I'm really happy with.

I do agree that the real problem is filling up the squad again

Mikeyt086 · 11-08-2014 10:56PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

it really is baffling to see how people seem it as a positive(and its really crept in here lately) that losing Vidic, Evra and Rio is seen as a positive on here. its the only place i have seen it.

fine if we replaced them with world class talent, but we have not done it and with Fabio and buttner also gone, thats 5 defenders gone. id rather have them "deadwood" in the squad that no wood at all.

people have short memories.

Again, I don't see where you're getting that. I haven't seen it.

Vidic is definitely a loss, still had two seasons in him and would have suited this system. He knew it himself at the end and regretted leaving.

Rio isn't a loss. He's done. Got embarrassed by the likes of Morgan Amalfitano last year. I always liked Rio and still do, but he doesn't have the legs anymore.

As one of Evra's biggest critics, I think he should have been kept on if we aren't going to sign another left back. 3-5-2 would have been much better for him, and taken a bit of pressure off Shaw to perform straight away. Even keeping Buttner, I wouldn't have minded losing Evra, but to lose both and only bring one in is odd.

You need to stop taking the ideas of one or two posters and tarring the entire thread with the same brush.

Mitch Connor · 11-08-2014 10:56PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

I can't believe that the transfer window closes tonight.

Oh wait.

It doesn't.

The type of comment we saw so often this time last year too. The manager may have changed but the person in charge of actually doing the deals is the same.

weisses · 11-08-2014 10:57PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Is he not the manager? Does the buck not stop with him? Moyes got pilloried for a farce of a transfer window but LVG seems set to escape any and all criticism. He is god and shall not be questioned it seems.

Maybe because there is still almost 3 weeks of the transfer window left, ??

Criticize when the transfer window is closed and United is playing crap because no one was bought

sigmundv · 11-08-2014 10:57PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Or the man united pragmatic realistic non biased non rose tinted glasses non head in the sand thread.

But being a fan implies that you are not pragmatic, not realistic, biased as hell, wear rose tinted glasses and have your head in the sand all the time. A fan always thinks that his team is the best and will win every match. What you describe is a hesitant supporter and keen observer.

Mitch Connor · 11-08-2014 10:59PM

sigmundv wrote: »

But being a fan implies that you are not pragmatic, not realistic, biased as hell, wear rose tinted glasses all the time and have your head in the sand all the time. A fan always thinks that his team is the best and will win every match. What you describe is a hesitant supporter and keen observer.

i completely disagree.

Paul Tergat · 11-08-2014 10:59PM

Question for all

Who are your top targets for us then?

Lets assume

CB
CB
LB (cover)
CM

Beyond that we're probably dreaming and lets assume nobody else is leaving (for now)

DM_7 · 11-08-2014 11:02PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

it really is baffling to see how people see it as a positive(and its really crept in here lately) that losing Vidic, Evra and Rio is seen as a positive on here. its the only place i have seen it. if Rio for example had been kept on until he was replaced, you wouldnt see as many people complaining about our options - he was poor last year, but 90% of our squad played at that level.

fine if we replaced them with world class talent, but we have not done it and with Fabio and buttner also gone, thats 5 defenders gone. id rather have them "deadwood" in the squad that no wood at all.

people have short memories.

Can you help me out and reply to/ link me to some of those posts rather than talking in general terms about posters putting forward the idea thats its a a positive that Vidic, Evra and Rio are gone?

I saw some people positive that Evra was replaced, non fussed about Rio going. I through most were sad to see Vidic going but concede that he chose to go and couldn't be forced to stay. I would be interested in seeing how many said it was a positive they were all gone, I will look out for it going forward though.

Also Fabio was no loss, no loss at all, I don't know why you keep suggesting him going was in any way bad. Buttner was not a huge loss either and could be replaced by a reserve or existing player, he started 9 league games in two seasons.

Your Airbag · 11-08-2014 11:06PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

it really is baffling to see how people see it as a positive(and its really crept in here lately) that losing Vidic, Evra and Rio is seen as a positive on here. its the only place i have seen it. if Rio for example had been kept on until he was replaced, you wouldnt see as many people complaining about our options - he was poor last year, but 90% of our squad played at that level.

fine if we replaced them with world class talent, but we have not done it and with Fabio and buttner also gone, thats 5 defenders gone. id rather have them "deadwood" in the squad that no wood at all.

people have short memories.

Assuming UTD can hold onto Rio and any plaer that wants to leave.

I don't think anyone thought Vidic leaving was a positive. Rio and Evra have been poor for two seasons and are over the hill for UTD standards.

Thats what people have a problem with when it comes to the doomsayers. Its the stating opinion as fact tripe thats the worst. The broken record aspect of their moaning.

From the press reports it looks like LVG came in and pulled the plug on the Kross groundwork Moyes had done. He showed 0% interest in Fabregas when Barca said they were letting him go. All the defenders we were linked with under Moyes were no longer pursued and instead we had names like Vermalen and Blind popping up.

People would be rioting if this was happening under Moyes and Woodward but as it seems LVG is a better coach he gets none of the transfer blame when it seems he pulled the plug or cooled our interest in good players and took three weeks to asses the squad before going for a CB. Yet the same poster attacking Moyes wont say LVG is to blame and have the nerve to accuse other or not willing to have a go at LVG.

Its the pure Hypocrisy of blaming Woodward who has signed players in every window now getting 100% of the transfer blame and LVG getting none when it seems clear he has called the shots.

If their was some consistancy to the moaning it would be more bearable but swiching stances so drastically from balming Moyes and Woodward to blaming just Woodward in a window where he has signed two players, and followed LVGs instructions and not bid for the likes of Kross and Cesc and gone for bloddy Vermalen.

If Moyes all of a sudden called of the Kross deal, not gone for Cesc and bid for Vermalen poeple would have had a fit and crashed this thread. Its the sheer transparent and contradicionary method of the naysayers dishing out of blame that makes them hard to listen to and so uncredible and laughable.

Your Airbag · 11-08-2014 11:11PM

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

I'm agreeing with your final paragraph, in a roundabout way mind you!

Well in that case let me congratualte you on the excellent post

Strumms · 11-08-2014 11:11PM

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Question for all

Who are your top targets for us then?

Lets assume

CB
CB
LB (cover)
CM

Beyond that we're probably dreaming and lets assume nobody else is leaving (for now)

Mats Hummels : All round good aggressive superb center back, great leadership and a proven winner.

Jan Vertongen : An experienced premiership player now who had a really good couple of seasons for Spurs

Blind : is a good footballer with a great touch, two good feet and a good range of passing all for a big guy who can be very versatile and cover across the back as well as midfield...

Vidal : I was a fan before he bacme the a united muppet summer wet dream. I was at the AC Milan vs Juventus game also during the season gone and from the seats we had he was great to watch. A super all round player with great positional sense, a threat going forward, an intelligent user of the ball and an imposing effective presence when defending. A beast of a player.

Having said all that I'd substitute one of those dedicated CB spots for a second midfielder.

FutureGuy · 11-08-2014 11:12PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The type of comment we saw so often this time last year too. The manager may have changed but the person in charge of actually doing the deals is the same.

The same guy that has brought in Mata, Shaw and Herrera since then?

LVG has stated he is looking at what he has. Also, it's pretty evident from the small bits of concrete information that we are interested in Vidal and that a deal could be done, but the club are being cautious because of the injury. We are also clearly looking to sign a CB.

I can understand people being nervous given that the season starts in a week but we have to have some patience.

Paul Tergat · 11-08-2014 11:13PM

Strumms wrote: »

Mats Hummels : All round good aggressive superb center back, great leadership and a proven winner.

Jan Vertongen : An experienced premiership player now who had a really good couple of seasons for Spurs

Blind : is a good footballer with a great touch, two good feet and a good range of passing all for a big guy who can be very versatile and cover across the back as well as midfield...

Vidal : I was a fan before he bacme the a united muppet summer wet dream. I was at the AC Milan vs Juventus game also during the season gone and from the seats we had he was great to watch. A super all round player with great positional sense, a threat going forward, an intelligent user of the ball and an imposing effective presence when defending. A beast of a player.

Thats probably the guts of £130m? Really think we are spending that on top of the £60m or so already spent?

BenEadir · 11-08-2014 11:15PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So you'd be happy with a defence of blacket, Carrick and fletcher vs Liverpool

I love the way you're running scared already after the beatings you got last season.

This is definitely out year ðŸ˜‚

bucketybuck · 11-08-2014 11:17PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

LVG has stated he is looking at what he has.

Then somebody get the man some glasses, maybe slip him a reminder of what month it is when you're at it.

Will I Amnt · 11-08-2014 11:18PM

Strumms wrote: »

Mats Hummels : All round good aggressive superb center back, great leadership and a proven winner.

Jan Vertongen : An experienced premiership player now who had a really good couple of seasons for Spurs

Blind : is a good footballer with a great touch, two good feet and a good range of passing all for a big guy who can be very versatile and cover across the back as well as midfield...

Vidal : I was a fan before he bacme the a united muppet summer wet dream. I was at the AC Milan vs Juventus game also during the season gone and from the seats we had he was great to watch. A super all round player with great positional sense, a threat going forward, an intelligent user of the ball and an imposing effective presence when defending. A beast of a player.

Having said all that I'd substitute one of those dedicated CB spots for a second midfielder.

No chance of Hummels or Vidal.
I think Vertonghen would be a perfect choice for van Gaal. It would probably take ridiculous money for Spurs to part with him though.

If Strootman is fit I'd take him in a heartbeat.

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