Its now €6 to look over the Cliffs of Moher

Onthe3rdDay · 11-08-2014 08:34PM

MYOB wrote: »

Yes, I'm saying you're friends aren't rational. That's fairly obvious to be honest.

Actually they are rational, Prices quoted to them were much higher here than in Scotland, they wanted to see Scotland anyway and the higher prices here made the decision for them. How is that not rational?

We live in a competitive world, Half our tourist industry seems to be made up of people returning home for a few weeks. Those that have no connection to the country will look at prices as much as anything else. It's the small things that do make the difference.

L1011 · 11-08-2014 08:39PM

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

Actually they are rational, Prices quoted to them were much higher here than in Scotland, they wanted to see Scotland anyway and the higher prices here made the decision for them. How is that not rational?

They took one price of one thing as a final breaking point issue yet were willing to throw money away on UK APD. That is irrational. Considering the amount of tourist attractions which are free or extremely cheap here compared to the general gouging cost of them in the UK I seriously doubt they saved a cent on entry fees in total.

If the Cliffs were in Scotland I can assure you that you'd be paying a lot more than €6 to get in.

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

We live in a competitive world, Half our tourist industry seems to be made up of people returning home for a few weeks. Those that have no connection to the country will look at prices as much as anything else. It's the small things that do make the difference.

Ireland has cheaper car hire, cheaper and better hotels and cheaper flights than Scotland - as well as cheaper tourist attractions, despite what you've managed to convince yourself. That's all the big things.

Frank Lee Midere · 11-08-2014 08:41PM

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

Actually they are rational, Prices quoted to them were much higher here than in Scotland, they wanted to see Scotland anyway and the higher prices here made the decision for them. How is that not rational?

We live in a competitive world, Half our tourist industry seems to be made up of people returning home for a few weeks. Those that have no connection to the country will look at prices as much as anything else. It's the small things that do make the difference.

Source for that?

Ireland isn't a cheap destination. Lanzerote is. However we aren't looking for cheep holiday makers.

Also the UK is a lot more expensive than it used to be.

Onthe3rdDay · 11-08-2014 08:45PM

MYOB wrote: »

They took one price of one thing as a final breaking point issue yet were willing to throw money away on UK APD. That is irrational. Considering the amount of tourist attractions which are free or extremely cheap here compared to the general gouging cost of them in the UK I seriously doubt they saved a cent on entry fees in total.

If the Cliffs were in Scotland I can assure you that you'd be paying a lot more than €6 to get in.

Ireland has cheaper car hire, cheaper and better hotels and cheaper flights than Scotland - as well as cheaper tourist attractions, despite what you've managed to convince yourself. That's all the big things.

Okay, again as always it's the customers that are at fault. God forbid that the Irish Tourism industry is at fault ever. You've just proven all my points.

Ireland is not cheaper that Scotland when it comes to many things. Hotels and eating out to name two. There are Good, bad, and shocking hotels in Ireland. It's the same in Scotland. I presume you work in some way in the tourist industry here as your post have the same defensive attitude that nothing is wrong with the industry, and everything is great value.

L1011 · 11-08-2014 08:49PM

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

Ireland is not cheaper that Scotland when it comes to many things. Hotels and eating out to name two.

Surveys suggest hotels are cheaper and better here than the UK. Food isn't, but when you're already hundreds to thousands down on the expensive stuff that isn't really an issue. Attraction admission fees are far, far cheaper here which was, illogically, the original cause of your gripes.

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

I presume you work in some way in the tourist industry here as your post have the same defensive attitude that nothing is wrong with the industry, and everything is great value.

Nope. Not at all. Just feel the absolutely irrational stuff being posted here needs challenging.

Onthe3rdDay · 11-08-2014 08:57PM

MYOB wrote: »

Nope. Not at all. Just feel the absolutely irrational stuff being posted here needs challenging.

No, it's not irrational, it's just typical Consumer Section on boards... The Customers Complaints are almost always Wrong...

L1011 · 11-08-2014 09:00PM

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

No, it's not irrational, it's just typical Consumer Section on boards... The Customers Complaints are almost always Wrong...

Well, they usually are actually. As a nation we don't appear able to complain properly but do love a good gripe even when in the wrong.

There is a consumer issue here - its the person being shaken up for parking fees for people who weren't entering via the carpark. That's the consumer issue. A side-rant about some people who had a little strop and willingly handed money over to gougers (the UK HMRC for APD) to justify their little strop isn't a consumer issue.

GreeBo · 11-08-2014 09:04PM

Just back, 6 per adult paid entering the car park.

No one then asks for that ticket!

Onthe3rdDay · 11-08-2014 09:09PM

MYOB wrote: »

Well, they usually are actually. As a nation we don't appear able to complain properly but do love a good gripe even when in the wrong.

There is a consumer issue here - its the person being shaken up for parking fees for people who weren't entering via the carpark. That's the consumer issue. A side-rant about some people who had a little strop and willingly handed money over to gougers (the UK HMRC for APD) to justify their little strop isn't a consumer issue.

Actually I disagree with you greatly there. There are attack dogs on the consumer side of this site which make it pretty unpleasant for anyone with a real problem looking for help (Not including yourself just in case you might think it).

As for my Friends they weren't annoyed nor were they have having a little strop. They logically pointed out all the charges that they were going to incur if they took their full break here. The Cliffs of Moher was one of those charges. There is a point were people say enough is enough and that just happened to be the one for them (there were other things as well). They would laugh at anybody that would make the claims that you're making. Surveys are great but they actually made the trip and stayed in the Hotels. They had A great time in Scotland and will be returning. They will also return here but will stay in the houses of relatives.

and that's my final word...

L1011 · 11-08-2014 09:12PM

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

As for my Friends they weren't annoyed nor were they have having a little strop. They logically pointed out all the charges that they were going to incur if they took their full break here. The Cliffs of Moher was one of those charges. There is a point were people say enough is enough and that just happened to be the one for them (there were other things as well).

Either you're massively overplaying the element which was down to the Cliffs, or they had a strop. Which is it? You've not said what the other things were, but I suspect they were quite spurious too.

If they found €6 per person to be excessive I can only assume they'd not looked at the prices of pretty much any attraction in Scotland yet.

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

They would laugh at anybody that would make the claims that you're making. Surveys are great but they actually made the trip and stayed in the Hotels. They had A great time in Scotland and will be returning. They will also return here but will stay in the houses of relatives.

If you want to get a full set of costings up here, I'm sure we can dismantle them in short order too. If this actually happened.

11-08-2014 09:24PM

delahuntv wrote: »

Also, foreign visitors, esp Americans think its exceptional value as for similar type of places you get charged $20+++ per person in USA.

???

$20 for a car to enter Yosemite national park for a week. Although you are right, it's not a 'similar' type of place - it's infinitely more spectacular, well run, covers thousands of square miles and employs huge numbers of rangers and other staff.

There are car parks with charges at other points of natural beauty both here and in the UK but I can't think of anywhere else where four adults would end up paying 24 euro to visit. I visited the Giants Causeway a couple of years ago and it was free. Of course it's free, it's owned by the people.

I've been to the cliffs before the charges and wonderful as it is I wouldn't bother going back. Anyway, turning it into a tourist trap actually reduces the quality of the experience.

L1011 · 11-08-2014 09:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There are car parks with charges at other points of natural beauty both here and in the UK but I can't think of anywhere else where four adults would end up paying 24 euro to visit. I visited the Giants Causeway a couple of years ago and it was free. Of course it's free, it's owned by the people.

Giants Causeway hasn't been fully free for at least a decade - unless you entirely arrive on foot.

Its £6 a car to park and walk down; but the visitor centre would be €37.62 for four adults - if bought online. Add another fiver or so for on the day tickets.

HydeRoad · 11-08-2014 09:42PM

There has been an issue for some years with a small number of staff at the Cliffs, who are entirely unsuitable to work in the tourist industry, and are the worst I encountered anywhere. The real issue is with whoever is appointing these people, or maybe it is the age-old Irish issue with people being 'unsackable.'

But it says a lot when the staff at the Cliffs are notorious all across the rest of the Co.Clare tourist sector, who nod in agreement when the staff at the Cliffs are mentioned. It is hard on the staff who are making an effort.

11-08-2014 09:49PM

MYOB wrote: »

Giants Causeway hasn't been fully free for at least a decade - unless you entirely arrive on foot.

Its £6 a car to park and walk down; but the visitor centre would be €37.62 for four adults - if bought online. Add another fiver or so for on the day tickets.

I did arrive on foot (walked around from the West, which I recommend btw).

No interest in the visitor centre!

L1011 · 11-08-2014 09:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I did arrive on foot (walked around from the West, which I recommend btw).

No interest in the visitor centre!

Can do the same at the Cliffs then.

Giruilla · 12-08-2014 09:20AM

You don't have to pay to see the giant causeway - Fact. You pay for car park and for visitor centre, but not the causeway.

Cliffs of Moher - I'm extremely unsure. You 100% do not have to pay if you walk from Hags Head. So why would you have to pay if walking from the opposite direction.. visitor centre to Hags Head - choosing not to avail of the facilities.
Can anyone actually confirm if there is a public right of way from road to the cliffs at the visitor centre?

countrynosebag · 13-08-2014 10:59AM

I think so many of the "public RIGHT OF WAY" items are being enclosed and charged for now. This should be reversed.
Tourists could, perhaps, as a coach party, be charged for the drive and visit, a percentage for upkeep!
I note further that land bequeathed to the local people is also being taken gradually but who initialised this and how they receive planning permissions I cannot say!
I would point out that some of us are older and/or disabled. We cannot park a good way from these things and can only take a small foray best we can.
We shall not be going but I do hear of new app possibly doing a really good overview of this, no, it is not the same but armchair travelling is better than none at all.
The energy is saved for small and local trips. (Rural south)

cerastes · 13-08-2014 12:03PM

MYOB wrote: »

And yet they paid 4 sets of UK APD on flights which would be hugely over 25 euro and you don't seem to consider thst to drive tourists away.

Also, heritage sites and other attractions are usually far dearer in the UK all round so they'll have spent more anyway on that

You can buy a national trust membership and gain access to many places which works out only a few multiples of this per person in the car lark.

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Source for that?

Ireland isn't a cheap destination. Lanzerote is. However we aren't looking for cheep holiday makers.

Also the UK is a lot more expensive than it used to be.

Some people are on a budget and are looking to be ripped off at every turn for little things or what should be.

MYOB wrote: »

Giants Causeway hasn't been fully free for at least a decade - unless you entirely arrive on foot.

Its £6 a car to park and walk down; but the visitor centre would be €37.62 for four adults - if bought online. Add another fiver or so for on the day tickets.

Its £6 not as was mentioned €6 per adult in a car for the cliffs, you're paying for the parking space, why gouge them for something which they have a right of access to when the car takes the same footprint, no doubt you'll be gouged in the visitor centre if you want a cup of tea or coffe or any little thing, sours the experience to me.
As for the causeway, you can park in the train car park for about five or six pound, if you plan to get the train also they give that back off the train fare, and rather than be gouged tea was only over a pound, still enough to make a profit, not 2-3 or more like here.

€6 per adult in a car where one adult is €6 is just ripping people off.

L1011 · 13-08-2014 12:10PM

cerastes wrote: »

You can buy a national trust membership and gain access to many places which works out only a few multiples of this per person in the car lark.

£58.00 (per person) is quite a multiple.

cerastes wrote: »

Its £6 not as was mentioned €6 per adult in a car for the cliffs, you're paying for the parking space, why gouge them for something which they have a right of access to when the car takes the same footprint, no doubt you'll be gouged in the visitor centre if you want a cup of tea or coffe or any little thing, sours the experience to me.
As for the causeway, you can park in the train car park for about five or six pound, if you plan to get the train also they give that back off the train fare, and rather than be gouged tea was only over a pound, still enough to make a profit, not 2-3 or more like here.

€6 per adult in a car where one adult is €6 is just ripping people off.

They don't offer a parking-only solution there, unlike the Causeway; that's why.

The €6 has to be compared to the Causeway visitor centre price which is, guess what? Much higher. As is pretty much always the case in the UK.

cerastes · 13-08-2014 01:50PM

MYOB wrote: »

£58.00 (per person) is quite a multiple.

They don't offer a parking-only solution there, unlike the Causeway; that's why.

The €6 has to be compared to the Causeway visitor centre price which is, guess what? Much higher. As is pretty much always the case in the UK.

Even at that price you are entitled to go into a good number of places, But you can get a national trust pass for less if it is bought for a few people as I know people have done this.

As for the causeway, its 6 pound per car, not per person/adult in the car, which I consider the issue and you dont have to go into the centre, I dont mind if the parking is going towards the centre to maintain some facilites and cover or contribute to the costs but its pure gouging charging per person and its gouging being in all likely its taking advantage knowing full well its a site where people have a right of access.

GreeBo · 13-08-2014 02:54PM

Giruilla wrote: »

You don't have to pay to see the giant causeway - Fact. You pay for car park and for visitor centre, but not the causeway.

Cliffs of Moher - I'm extremely unsure. You 100% do not have to pay if you walk from Hags Head. So why would you have to pay if walking from the opposite direction.. visitor centre to Hags Head - choosing not to avail of the facilities.
Can anyone actually confirm if there is a public right of way from road to the cliffs at the visitor centre?

Cliffs of Moher ticket pays for the interpretative centre, says it on the ticket.

There was no turnstile etc checking this though and you only paid when entering the car park.

L1011 · 13-08-2014 04:19PM

cerastes wrote: »

Even at that price you are entitled to go into a good number of places, But you can get a national trust pass for less if it is bought for a few people as I know people have done this.

As for the causeway, its 6 pound per car, not per person/adult in the car, which I consider the issue and you dont have to go into the centre, I dont mind if the parking is going towards the centre to maintain some facilites and cover or contribute to the costs but its pure gouging charging per person and its gouging being in all likely its taking advantage knowing full well its a site where people have a right of access.

There is no parking only option at the cliffs. You are not comparing like with like in either comparison.

13-08-2014 09:49PM

MYOB wrote: »

There is no parking only option at the cliffs. You are not comparing like with like in either comparison.

We hear you.

So WHY is there no parking only option at the cliffs? The answer is completely obvious - they want to gouge the maximum they possibly can from visitors. Or rather, they know full well nobody would bother paying for the interpretative centre so they force you too by making it part of the package.

L1011 · 13-08-2014 10:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We hear you.

So WHY is there no parking only option at the cliffs? The answer is completely obvious - they want to gouge the maximum they possibly can from visitors. Or rather, they know full well nobody would bother paying for the interpretative centre so they force you too by making it part of the package.

If they wanted to "gouge the maximum they possibly can" they'd be charging UK-style pricing for the centre safe in the knowledge that every tourbus would go in to it.

Feel free to buy some land and operate a carpark, as is the case at the Causeway (the train and county council being the operators; not the National Trust), if you want.

paulski999 · 14-08-2014 10:32PM

suave.4u wrote: »

Do let us know how it goes .
I hope armed with the information in this thread, you should save atleast some quid.

Went last weekend, was mobbed with tourists, but was fine to see cliffs, kicked the missus out of the car before entering carpark, charged €6 for me, kids free, bit much for a 2nd rate carpark imo, not paved or signed properly.. If I could I would have parked elsewhere and walked up, Nobody checks the tickets they give you, and as others have said, it's a public right of way!! Miss the days you could walk to the edge and look over the sheer drop, or even jump from ledge to ledge, great hangover cure!!

AnonTrade · 26-05-2015 07:01AM

FYI. Went in May 2015. Came from the south and I saw a nice opportunity to droff off people near where the buses park and seemed far from parking. But when I pulled up to park, was asked to pay 3 people. So they definitely have video cameras in place to trackff road drop bys close by. While standing in the visitor center near the main desk, you could see that they had the live feed on one of the monitors. They are also enforcing the fee for people just walking up. A couple was brought in to the desk by a person with walkie talkie and asked how they got there. They said cab and it didnt matter, they were forced to pay. A lot of enforcement which include people coming on foot - so not worth avoiding to pay.

Milly33 · 26-05-2015 09:28AM

Just pondering here, think it is shocking too that they have charged for the cliffs, fine I don't get them myself they are pretty but not a hope I would pay to see them.

When you say you don't have to pay for the causeaway, do you mean like walking down to the right of the visitor centre way.. Was very annoyed paying for this also well more so with the visitor centre as we had no interest in it really...

RainyDay · 26-05-2015 03:25PM

Try cycling up - you'll get a free cuppa when you arrive

http://www.businessandleadership.com/sustainability/item/50746-free-cup-of-tea-if-you/

Riamfada · 26-05-2015 03:29PM

The payment system there is quite simply an insulting tourist trap. The attitude of "well its free" but you pay huge rates for parking reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where the pirates are making them walk the plank and the captain says "for legal purposes we must make it clear that it is the water that will be kill you, not us".

delahuntv · 26-05-2015 04:57PM

Years ago it was free - and a death trap.

Now you pay a small fee and you get security, safety, shelter and a lot more.

Tourists rate it as great value - but in Ireland we want everything for free.

Its now €6 to look over the Cliffs of Moher

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