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Former Boxing Promotor Frank Maloney to undergo gender reassignment surgery

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  • #212
    The Pheasant2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭The Pheasant2


    Cantremember wrote: »
    The argument escapes you. You have no argument for your view except that sex is what you are born with and that's it. It is a mechanistic or animalistic view of humanity. It's an impoverished sociology. Live your own logic and abandon the "sociological obfuscatory waffle": what are you doing on the internet? Interacting in a sociological milieu and using a language which had constructed reality? The logic alone approach leads to the gas bill chambers.

    What a load of sophistic bollocks


  • #213
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    What a load of sophistic bollocks

    Wow. Brilliant argument there.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #214
    PeteFalk78
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    Sorry but a guy who has been married twice, fathered children and also seemingly homophobic, takes 60 years to figure out he should have been born female.

    This guy needs psychiatric help.


  • #215
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    Sorry but a guy who has been married twice, fathered children and also seemingly homophobic, takes 60 years to figure out he should have been born female.

    This guy needs psychiatric help.

    Well, chances are she's probably getting it. Because they don't just hand out hormones willy nilly. I've been through a psychiatrist, a psychologist and my GP to get hormones, and that process took quite a while.

    But of course if society wasn't so pissed off at people transitioning people might be able to unravel their transgender nature in their head at a much earlier stage. It's already beginning to happen, but with society so generally ****ed up when it comes to this stuff of course it can take some people a life time to figure it out and build up the confidence to deal with it.


  • #216
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    It's not unusual at all for someone to go to great lengths to come across as the exact opposite of who they are, as a form of covering up.


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  • #217
    takamichinoku
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭takamichinoku


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    Sorry but a guy who has been married twice, fathered children and also seemingly homophobic, takes 60 years to figure out he should have been born female.

    This guy needs psychiatric help.
    A LOT of people will do pretty big actions which impact other people in huge ways purely out of a sense that they have issues with themselves and see the actions (e.g. getting married, having kids) as a possible solution. It's unfortunate, of course, but it's very easy to see how it can happen.

    Fair chance he's been having help for years, can't imagine he'd do something like this otherwise. Don't you have to go through counselling and whatnot before you're allowed to undergo gender reassignment surgery anyway?


  • #218
    Too Tough To Die
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Too Tough To Die


    Frank is a dirtbag. I do not believe he is genuine at all, in fact i think he has lost the plot.


  • #219
    Links234
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    One of that sad things about threads is that the people who come along just to disparage and insult trans people or otherwise soapbox about how transgender people are all mentally ill deviants never take a chance to learn anything. We hear so often that in their oh so expert opinions that trans people should be getting counselling without a shred or irony, because if they stopped for a second and listened, they might learn that trans people do get psychological counselling as part of their transition. Surprised they might be to find that no, being trans is not something that a person can be talked out or, medicated out of, or prayed out of. But they just want to have a go, back-slap each other at a good dig, and bemoan the PC brigade, because god forbid someone saying that they're talking about human beings is being millitant!


  • #220
    P_1
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    Ok so it can be argued that Kellie did some questionable things in the past. Ok that's fair enough criticise away for that. What is doesn't give you is the right to verbally vomit on trans people as a whole.

    If you don't know about something, educate yourself on it. don't sneer at it.


  • #221
    Too Tough To Die
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Too Tough To Die


    P_1 wrote: »
    Ok so it can be argued that Kellie did some questionable things in the past. Ok that's fair enough criticise away for that. What is doesn't give you is the right to verbally vomit on trans people as a whole.

    If you don't know about something, educate yourself on it. don't sneer at it.

    Not sure if this is in response to my comments, but i am in no way vomitting on trans people, i have the utmost respect. I just don't believe this is a genuine case.


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  • #222
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    Not sure if this is in response to my comments, but i am in no way vomitting on trans people, i have the utmost respect. I just don't believe this is a genuine case.

    What? Why would someone go through this if they weren't genuine? For ****s and giggles? Do you have any idea how hard it is?


  • #223
    Links234
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    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    I just don't believe this is a genuine case.

    Based on?

    Sure, she might not be the most pleasant person, but so what? People can be assholes if they're straight, gay, trans or anything else, but that's not cause to doubt their sincerity in these matters.


  • #224
    Too Tough To Die
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Too Tough To Die


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    What? Why would someone go through this if they weren't genuine? For ****s and giggles? Do you have any idea how hard it is?

    Not saying it's some sort of cunning plan. I'm saying i believe he has lost it.


  • #225
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    Not sure if this is in response to my comments, but i am in no way vomitting on trans people, i have the utmost respect. I just don't believe this is a genuine case.

    It wasn't to be honest but considering the sheer amount of psychological analysis, testing and interviews that somebody must go through before they physically transition I'd be fairly sure that it is a genuine case.


  • #226
    Too Tough To Die
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Too Tough To Die


    Links234 wrote: »
    Based on?

    Sure, she might not be the most pleasant person, but so what? People can be assholes if they're straight, gay, trans or anything else, but that's not cause to doubt their sincerity in these matters.

    Based on his character, what i know about the man and having observed him over the years. Just a gut feeling based on what i know about the guy, i don't really want to get into the ugly specifics.


  • #227
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Its totally crazy if ye ask me.


  • #228
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    Based on his character, what i know about the man and having observed him over the years. Just a gut feeling based on what i know about the guy, i don't really want to get into the ugly specifics.

    Right ok. Keyboard diagnosis.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #229
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,236 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    Based on his character, what i know about the man and having observed him over the years. Just a gut feeling based on what i know about the guy, i don't really want to get into the ugly specifics.

    If you keep saying guy and man someone Is gonna kill themselves in here.....


  • #230
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Its totally crazy if ye ask me.

    We didnt. She is not an "it" by the way.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #231
    Links234
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    It must be a rare gift to diagnose people as having "lost it" just based on their public life? Clearly your talents are wasted here.


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  • #232
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    Not saying it's some sort of cunning plan. I'm saying i believe he has lost it.

    I'd say that's a fairly knee jerk reaction to anyone that finally tells people in their life they're trans. It's going to be something they've probably thought about most of their lives though. I imagine someone would need to be very mentally fit for want of a better phrase before doctors will let someone proceed.


  • #233
    fran17
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    We didnt. She is not an "it" by the way.

    now come on,that is not what the poster ment and you know that.why so angry?


  • #234
    Too Tough To Die
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Too Tough To Die


    Links234 wrote: »
    It must be a rare gift to diagnose people as having "lost it" just based on their public life? Clearly your talents are wasted here.

    Well he has already pretty much had a nervous breakdown on live tv, so his mental health isn't that well concealed from public life.


  • #235
    Links234
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    So? Mental health issues doesn't preclude someone from being trans. I suffer from anxiety attacks, I've suffered depression in the past, in your armchair diagnosis does that make me not trans and/or have I "lost it"?


  • #236
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    fran17 wrote: »
    now come on,that is not what the poster ment and you know that.why so angry?

    Why do you think?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #237
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    Well he has already pretty much had a nervous breakdown on live tv, so his mental health isn't that well concealed from public life.

    And maybe some of those mental health issues were related to her coming to terms with herself.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #238
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    Well he has already pretty much had a nervous breakdown on live tv, so his mental health isn't that well concealed from public life.

    Lots of people have had nervous breakdowns. I know lots of trans people, myself included who suffer from depression and other mental health issues. It has something to do with being trans being a stressful condition. Trying to cope through drugs and alcohol. Trying to cope by repressing everything: the amount of trans people who join the military is unreal. There's even the recent case of the American Navy Seal who was in one of the elite special ops teams transitioning. There's trans MMA fighters. Trans people do a lot of things before accepting themselves and with the attitude of so many people in this thread is it any wonder we have a difficult life?

    But to medical transition isn't an easy thing to do. There are doctors doubting you every step of the way. Imagine the lawsuit that would happen if someone transitioned, grew boobs and had a female hormone system (or male) and suddenly they became "sane" and they pointed the finger at a doctor. The reality is that it just doesn't happen. Any of the cases I've heard of someone detransitioning has been because of the way society treated them post-transition, not because they doubted they were trans.

    It is not easy to get medical treatment to transition.


  • #239
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    Sorry but a guy who has been married twice, fathered children and also seemingly homophobic, takes 60 years to figure out he should have been born female.

    This guy needs psychiatric help.

    Lots of trans people get married and have children before they finally come out. I know 4 trans women who did that.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #240
    magma69
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    He was a scumbag, now she is a scumbag.


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  • #241
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    magma69 wrote: »
    He was a scumbag, now she is a scumbag.

    That I can fully get behind.


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