Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

homerjay2005 · 11-08-2014 01:10PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Not necessarily us, but hopefully...

does Blind solve our Center Back shortage? No he doesnt.
is he good enough to be a first choice center midfielder? i dont think he is.
will he solve the shortage of wingers that our manager says we have? no he wont.

signing Blind doesnt really make sense after spending £30m on Shaw, so why would you be hopeful of signing him, when he doesnt answer our problems?

id be ok with signing him, BUT it really isnt a signing that we need, as usual.

Reedsie · 11-08-2014 01:13PM

Didn't Blind state that he doesn't think the Premiership would suit him and he'd prefer a move to La Liga?

I'd be very surprised if we signed him.

Vic Vinegar · 11-08-2014 01:14PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

does Blind solve our Center Back shortage? No he doesnt.
is he good enough to be a first choice center midfielder? i dont think he is.
will he solve the shortage of wingers that our manager says we have? no he wont.

signing Blind doesnt really make sense after spending £30m on Shaw, so why would you be hopeful of signing him, when he doesnt answer our problems?

id be ok with signing him, BUT it really isnt a signing that we need, as usual.

Blind would help our CB shortage (he can play there)

Blind would help out in CM if needed (he can play there)

Blind would be cover for Shaw in LB or LWB (he can play there)

Pretty good signing if you ask me

Lord TSC · 11-08-2014 01:15PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

signing Blind doesnt really make sense after spending £30m on Shaw, so why would you be hopeful of signing him, when he doesnt answer our problems?

I think he would improve many problems. Not fix any, but definitely aid in repairing our squad. As a backup LB (which we need), CB (which we need) and CM (and probably first team CM given options), and as a signing made in conjunction with other signings, I would quite like to have him at the club.

TheTownie · 11-08-2014 01:18PM

Reedsie wrote: »

Didn't Blind state that he doesn't think the Premiership would suit him and he'd prefer a move to La Liga?

I'd be very surprised if we signed him.

Ya, I think some were wondering where the quotes came from. They came from an interview with goal.com

"I am still developing as a player. I am only 24-years-old, so I hope that there's still room for improvement," Blind explained.

"La Liga would suit my style of play. Perhaps England as well, but that's a very physical competition and that's not my biggest strength. I have made steps forward physically, but fighting out personal duels is not my thing. I am not like Jan Vertonghen, who is very powerful.

"The most important thing for me at a new club is that they play proper football. I would be more open to a club that plays proper football than to a club that only hits long balls."

tupac_healy · 11-08-2014 01:20PM

Professional Griefer wrote: »

Frank De Boer says hes struggling to keep hold Blind - from SkySports transfer centre

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Ajax coach confirms Daley Blind is set to leave Ajax, the manager said ' he's moving to a big club '

If we do get Blind, I presume he'll be the last player coming in this summer.

Well if he said 'big club' pretty much rules out Liverpool!!!!!

Maximus Alexander · 11-08-2014 01:23PM

tupac_healy wrote: »

Well if he said 'big club' pretty much rules out Liverpool!!!!!

Duck and cover everyone.

bucketybuck · 11-08-2014 01:23PM

TheTownie wrote: »

Ya, I think some were wondering where the quotes came from. They came from an interview with goal.com

Thanks for the link. As I said previously, anybody with this mentality:

but that's a very physical competition and that's not my biggest strength. I have made steps forward physically, but fighting out personal duels is not my thing.

shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the club.

DM_7 · 11-08-2014 01:24PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

does Blind solve our Center Back shortage? No he doesnt.
is he good enough to be a first choice center midfielder? i dont think he is.
will he solve the shortage of wingers that our manager says we have? no he wont.

signing Blind doesnt really make sense after spending £30m on Shaw, so why would you be hopeful of signing him, when he doesnt answer our problems?

id be ok with signing him, BUT it really isnt a signing that we need, as usual.

Have you watched Blind much?

I haven't myself but I understand he is a no 6 these days at Ajax so Shaws arrival wouldn't really be a problem if that is where Van Gall wants him to play.

Van Gaal is known for fitting players into a position in his structure, if Van Gaal bought him to play at no 6 he would indeed answer some of our problems for 14/15 season.

Even if he was bought for left back, Left Wing Back he would solve the problem of what happens when Shaw is injured/unavailable/out of form.

bangkok · 11-08-2014 01:24PM

TheTownie wrote: »

Since bangkok seems to be avoiding having to explain his 'story', I had a look around for info on Fernando and found this;

Compare that to the announcement of Mangala;

Given the above, I think its fair to assume Fernando was wholly owned by Porto and thus rendering bangkok full of shít on this occasion.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/280151.html

I hope that keeps you happy....

bucketybuck · 11-08-2014 01:30PM

bangkok wrote: »

I hope that keeps you happy....

I doubt it will. That article does claim that both players had 3rd party ownership, but says absolutely nothing regarding your claim that the deal for Fernando affected the deal for Mangela in terms of paying less for one to offset paying more for the other.

glued · 11-08-2014 01:32PM

BBC North West reporter Richard Askam has said that Cuadrado's representatives are apparently in Manchester to discuss his move to MUFC.

beakerjoe · 11-08-2014 01:35PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I doubt it will. That article does claim that both players had 3rd party ownership, but says absolutely nothing regarding your claim that the deal for Fernando affected the deal for Mangela in terms of paying less for one to offset paying more for the other.

Bangkok needs to concede defeat

TheDoc · 11-08-2014 01:35PM

The appeal for Blind, from my understanding, is that he is a discplined Central midfielder who has a good nack for the defensive and interceptive work and has neat distribution. Someone described to him me ( he is a frequent Erdvise viewer) as nearly a nippier Carrick.

However is versatile, playing in Van Gaals Holland team at Centre Back, left back and left wing back. He also has done stints with his club in the defensive line.

the only issue I see in this possability, is that Mata has no.10 nailed, with Kagawa providing cover. Herrera no doubt will be a prefered CM starter, and then you have one spot left between (all fit) Cleverly, Carrick, Fletcher, Fellaini.

And generally there is a call for one more CM to be added to the squad. I can only assume that the position left for jostling is that position Fletcher was occupying in pre-season, that seems to have a heavy tendancy for the defensive minded.

DM_7 · 11-08-2014 01:36PM

glued wrote: »

BBC North West reporter Richard Askam has said that Cuadrado's representatives are apparently in Manchester to discuss his move to MUFC.

This thread

Jackson on twitter = :mad:

The one above =

TheTownie · 11-08-2014 01:37PM

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/280151.html

I hope that keeps you happy....

Thank you. You have shown us you put 2 + 2 together and got 5.

glued · 11-08-2014 01:38PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

This thread

Jackson on twitter = :mad:

The one above =

Jackson would of asked the club directly. They've denied interest in everyone this summer including Herrera.

bangkok · 11-08-2014 01:39PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I doubt it will. That article does claim that both players had 3rd party ownership, but says absolutely nothing regarding your claim that the deal for Fernando affected the deal for Mangela in terms of paying less for one to offset paying more for the other.

the OP said Fernando was owned 100% by porto in which he was not, both deals were linked in together I remember at the time they were both extremely complicated

bangkok · 11-08-2014 01:40PM

TheTownie wrote: »

Thank you. You have shown us you put 2 + 2 together and got 5.

no it proves Fernando was not 100% owned by porto

TheDoc · 11-08-2014 01:40PM

I think what is worth remembering is that titles are not won by beating title rivals, but avoiding slipups. I always say this, I could be ENTIRELY wrong, but I always feel like the league is won by the team with the least slipups, or who can secure a win after a rival makes a slipup. Last season seemed to REALLY put that thought process into perspective. The main battles between City, Chelsea and Liverpool really didn't mean much imo, when you saw the slipups they had to teams lower.

We've won titles not by beating rivals, but by avoiding slipups, or when they looked to happen, grind out a result.

A midfield of Herrera, Fellaini, Fletcher, Carrick and Cleverly might not be the sort of CM you'd put your money on beating Chelsea, or City, but you'd be confident it has enough quality to get past a Hull, or an Aston Villa.

Last season was an absolute drain of confidence with the team shot. But previously, we had won titles with poor midfields, and weakness' in our squad. SAF obviously made players operate beyond their means at time with an air of arrogance, that was ZAPPED last year. If Van Gaal can rebuild that, give this squad belief, it's not beyond the realms of possibility in terms of having a title challenge.

I'm not concerned going into this season facing City or Chelsea or Liverpool. While as fans we big these up as massive games, as does the media, and "title deciders" the real title decider are that tricky midweek game over Christmas away during the hectic winter period, or the home game in the run in, against a relegation team throwing caution to the wind.

TheDoc · 11-08-2014 01:42PM

glued wrote: »

Jackson would of asked the club directly. They've denied interest in everyone this summer including Herrera.

Jackson has had more accurate rumour and foresight on transfers with City then he has had with United this summer. Very telling imo.

He also had a freakdown on Twitter last month, and I think he will be vearing away from rumours for a while after the **** he got. Seems to be either confirming **** that is concrete, or playing the " no news" card.

Maximus Alexander · 11-08-2014 01:45PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I think what is worth remembering is that titles are not won by beating title rivals, but avoiding slipups. I always say this, I could be ENTIRELY wrong, but I always feel like the league is won by the team with the least slipups, or who can secure a win after a rival makes a slipup. Last season seemed to REALLY put that thought process into perspective. The main battles between City, Chelsea and Liverpool really didn't mean much imo, when you saw the slipups they had to teams lower.

We've won titles not by beating rivals, but by avoiding slipups, or when they looked to happen, grind out a result.

Why do I get the feeling you were talking about something specific?

DM_7 · 11-08-2014 01:50PM

You have a point about slip ups Doc, maybe not always resulting in a league win but certainly staying competitive. (Edit as above slip ups against direct rivals can be bad news)

At home United messed up against, West Brom (3), Southampton (2), Newcastle (3), Everton (3), Fulham (2), Spurs (3) before March. Thats 16 points.

That was 4th place :eek:

(64 points plus 16 is 80 points, 4th place was 79 points)

bangkok · 11-08-2014 01:56PM

Fernando also just signed a contract with porto in feb until 2017 with a buyout clause of 25m

TheTownie · 11-08-2014 01:59PM

bangkok wrote: »

no it proves Fernando was not 100% owned by porto

No, you gave a link to an article that says so. Thats not proof but at least you showed where you got the notion from.

Now if you could address your main notion that the Fernando deal was linked to the Mangala deal that would be great.

TheTownie · 11-08-2014 02:01PM

bangkok wrote: »

Fernando also just signed a contract with porto in feb until 2017 with a buyout clause of 25m

Try again.

Porto President Pinto da Costa has threatened to sideline Fernando for the rest of the season after he broke the agreed renewal.

EDIT: I'll take that one back. He did after that confrontation sign a new contract which clears up the confusion around some previously reporting he would be a free agent this summer.

but again this is a distraction from the main point of contention which is the link to the Mangala deal.

Your Airbag · 11-08-2014 02:08PM

Premier League clubs are to start using the database belonging to the computer game Football Manager to help identify and recruit new signings.

Sports Interactive, the creator of the best-selling game, will begin feeding its extensive information into Prozone Recruiter, an online analysis platform which many of the top clubs use to scout new talent.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/11/football-manager-computer-game-premier-league-clubs-buy-players?CMP=twt_gu

Once again, the UTD thread on boards was ahead of the curve.

Maximus Alexander · 11-08-2014 02:16PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/11/football-manager-computer-game-premier-league-clubs-buy-players?CMP=twt_gu

Once again, the UTD thread on boards was ahead of the curve.

I had James Ward-Prowse in my Champion's League winning side in FM12. At the time he hadn't even made an appearance for a Southampton side who were still in the Championship. Last year he made 34 PL appearances in a team that finished just behind Manchester United.

They can predict the future. Just sayin'.

bangkok · 11-08-2014 02:17PM

TheTownie wrote: »

Try again.

EDIT: I'll take that one back. He did after that confrontation sign a new contract which clears up the confusion around some previously reporting he would be a free agent this summer.

but again this is a distraction from the main point of contention which is the link to the Mangala deal.

ok, then why can you tell me, when he just signed a new contract with a buyout clause of 25m until 2017, just sign for city for 12m??

NeVeR · 11-08-2014 02:23PM

So much Entertainment in this thread.. I just sit in work and press F5 all day

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

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