Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

DM_7 · 10-08-2014 09:34PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

very complicated, but City got them done.

Did Van Gaal want those players?

bangkok · 10-08-2014 09:36PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

City haven't signed Mangala?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28476691

TheTownie · 10-08-2014 09:49PM

bangkok wrote: »

we were in for both fernando and mangala but it was hard to a deal for either as fernando had 3rd party ownership so porto would receive not much of the transfer fee, so city decided to pay only 12m for fernando even though he was worth 25m but would pay porto 32-35m for mangala so they would receive all of the money, they were very complicated deals

Where are you pulling this from?

Fernando had, at best, one year left on his contract. Some were reporting his contract was up this summer. He was close to signing a new deal around January but never did, probably once he got wind of City's interest.

Mangala has a complicated ownership structure. From what I have read, 33.3% owned by one party and 10% owned by another party. Porto possibly own the remaining, I can't say for sure.

I would love to see where your version of events are reported.

Kagawa · 10-08-2014 09:52PM

If Utd go and sell all the players mentioned, we surely must sign at least three players, LVG or not this season could go very wrong if Utd don't. I still can't believe we are here again a week before the season starts, especially after all of woodwards talk when Herrera and Shaw were signed. It seems that the big name players can't be attracted because of no CL, so if we miss out again, there's isn't a chance in hell next summer surely!!

Rayne Wooney · 10-08-2014 09:54PM

Shít will hit the fan if we don't get 3 points at Swansea and we haven't signed any players by then

Lord TSC · 10-08-2014 09:57PM

Why does it feel like people are ignoring we signed two first team players already

brinty · 10-08-2014 09:59PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Why does it feel like people are ignoring we signed two first team players already

Because I think we all realise we needed more than 2 first team players and we need some world class talent as well as the potential we've signed

LostBoy101 · 10-08-2014 10:00PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Why does it feel like people are ignoring we signed two first team players already

Because they have nothing better to complain about :P

kryogen · 10-08-2014 10:00PM

Montroseee wrote: »

That is only something a UTD. fan would say.

Just for clarification, anyone who says it, but is not a United fan, is really a closet United fan?

Adamcp898 · 10-08-2014 10:02PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Why does it feel like people are ignoring we signed two first team players already

Because there hasn't been a real discernible net increase in the quality of the squad yet.

Mitch Connor · 10-08-2014 10:02PM

The team vs Swansea is likely to be:

De Gea
--Smalling--Jones--Evans
Dunno

Dunno

Herrera-Fletcher

Mata

Rooney-Welbeck

Can't work out those wing back positions. Raf seemingly unwanted, possibly not fit - so maybe Valencia there. Shaw or Young at LWB.

No signing we make now is going to be ready to play in that game, a really poor situation LVG and Woodward have put us in, imo.

Lord TSC · 10-08-2014 10:04PM

Based on pre-season, Shaw and Young will likely fill those wing back positions, maybe Val and Shaw. Can't see how that would be a doubt right now....

Mikeyt086 · 10-08-2014 10:05PM

I think we're going to hammer Swansea.

brinty · 10-08-2014 10:07PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Based on pre-season, Shaw and Young will likely fill those wing back positions, maybe Val and Shaw. Can't see how that would be a doubt right now....

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irishfeen · 10-08-2014 10:08PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

I think we're going to hammer Swansea.

Ha come KO I'll have myself convinced of that too - no matter who we're playing I'm always the same.

Mitch Connor · 10-08-2014 10:10PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Based on pre-season, Shaw and Young will likely fill those wing back positions, maybe Val and Shaw. Can't see how that would be a doubt right now....

LVG ticking Shaw off for lack of fitness, resting him for the second game (coming on second half), only a second half appearance in the third because James was injured, again a second half sub in fourth game and... a sub in the fifth game and coming on early because he Valencia got injured.

Based on the fact Shaw only started one game so far, and got a ticking off, I don't see how it is certain he is going to start vs Swansea.

I'd be surprised if Young doesn't start. So Raf, Valencia or Shaw of the other spot, imo.

thelad95 · 10-08-2014 10:10PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

I think we're going to hammer Swansea.

I think we could nearly be out of sight by the time we play Chelsea at the end of October. The fixture list is so kind to us this year which is why I've been predicting all summer that we will walk the league.

PhlegmyMoses · 10-08-2014 10:11PM

Kagawa wrote: »

If Utd go and sell all the players mentioned, we surely must sign at least three players, LVG or not this season could go very wrong if Utd don't. I still can't believe we are here again a week before the season starts, especially after all of woodwards talk when Herrera and Shaw were signed. It seems that the big name players can't be attracted because of no CL, so if we miss out again, there's isn't a chance in hell next summer surely!!

The thing is, we won't even sell 3 of those players, let alone the whole lot. So no need to worry.

Mitch Connor · 10-08-2014 10:12PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

I think we're going to hammer Swansea.

They have been poor in pre-season themselves. We should beat them, imo, regardless of the problems we have - but it won't show that the people that are complaining are wrong.

Paul Tergat · 10-08-2014 10:12PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I think we could nearly be out of sight by the time we play Chelsea at the end of October. The fixture list is so kind to us this year which is why I've been predicting all summer that we will walk the league.

Read that back to yourself

In fact, the whole thing. Wow

DM_7 · 10-08-2014 10:12PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Why does it feel like people are ignoring we signed two first team players already

Maybe its because they were not the Veron, Van Persie, Holy **** type signings people were hoping for? Those hopes were stoked by Woodwards talk tbf.

That 2 is not, based on last season or Van Gaals own words, enough. Its not when we look at defence.

3 weeks remain to get another couple of players in so I am not worried myself.

If United had gone out and got a Hummels for example they would probably more patient even if it was only two signings.

I don't think easing fans minds is really the right reason to go and get business done.

Van Gaal coming in has changed a lot and is bigger than any signing on the field. Always felt this summer would be about improving options to fit Van Gaals needs more than bringing in established big names when Champions League is not there.

Whatsisname · 10-08-2014 10:14PM

Kinda alluded to it in the above post but I really think everyone would be just a tad more relaxed had Woodward not ran his mouth a few weeks ago, I'll never see the benefit of what he said.

10-08-2014 10:15PM

I just don't trust Young at all to maintain his preseason form. That's my major problem right now and means that a left and right back is needed. I'm theoretically happy with CB bar the numbers and wouldn't be too disappointed if LVG went for youth over buying established players. Would be a big change from Fergie and Moyes and may motivate the players in the academy to make the step up. I see the other arguments about buying quality but I want a sustainable model built in these 3 seasons because god knows what will happen if LVG leaves after then with regards the management of the club.

Mitch Connor · 10-08-2014 10:19PM

Liam O wrote: »

I just don't trust Young at all to maintain his preseason form. That's my major problem right now and means that a left and right back is needed. I'm theoretically happy with CB bar the numbers and wouldn't be too disappointed if LVG went for youth over buying established players. Would be a big change from Fergie and Moyes and may motivate the players in the academy to make the step up. I see the other arguments about buying quality but I want a sustainable model built in these 3 seasons because god knows what will happen if LVG leaves after then with regards the management of the club.

I'm all for giving youth a chance - I like Keane, but big steps needed. Blacket I don't think is anywhere near good enough right now, despite preseason showings. Janko/Varela are rated but I've seen little to show they are ready for any first team involvement.

Wilson is the only player in the youth sides I think is close enough - so I think we have to buy because the youths simply aren't at the standard needed this season.

steoin · 10-08-2014 10:19PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I think we could nearly be out of sight by the time we play Chelsea at the end of October. The fixture list is so kind to us this year which is why I've been predicting all summer that we will walk the league.

Oh come on, that's bordering on delusional.

Rubber_Soul · 10-08-2014 10:24PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Kinda alluded to it in the above post but I really think everyone would be just a tad more relaxed had Woodward not ran his mouth a few weeks ago, I'll never see the benefit of what he said.

What did he say?

TheTownie · 10-08-2014 10:26PM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

What did he say?

Soldie · 10-08-2014 10:31PM

Lads, this time last month nearly everyone in this thread wanted Ashley Young shipped out, whereas now I'm sure most of us would want to keep him. We all wanted a massive clear out and to spunk upwards of £150m on new signings within a day of the transfer window opening. What with van Gaal being involved in the business end of the World Cup and the US tour that was never going to happen. It's a good thing we've got a manager who wants to meticulously suss out his players. I don't doubt there's a lot of work going on behind the scenes right now. Before the window shuts we'll see the deadwood leave and we'll land our targets. Keep calm and trust the man.

Headshot · 10-08-2014 10:31PM

I'd be quite surprised if we got in anybody at this stage. I don't see it happening. I don't blame Woodward. The club has been liked that for years now. They just can't entice these big international players like Vidal etc. Veron the last noticeable big name from abroad to join us.

bucketybuck · 10-08-2014 10:33PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Why does it feel like people are ignoring we signed two first team players already

You'll know the answer to that when you see the first few teamsheets.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

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