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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #3512
    HazDanz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭HazDanz


    "The root cause of terrorism lies not in grievances but in a disposition toward unbridled violence. This can be traced to a world view which asserts that certain ideological and religious goals justify, indeed demand, the shedding of all moral inhibitions." - Benjamin Netanyahu

    I wonder if he can see how this is what Israel is in definition.


  • #3513
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    OneEightSeven wrote: »
    It is in Gaza:

    I'll post it again and you can interpret it any way you wish.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Palestinian_territories
    It is important to note that Homosexuality is not illegal within the Palestinian Territories, although LGBT rights are not protected within the territories.



    OneEightSeven wrote: »
    Unless it's the same type of far-right neo-Nazism we see in Eastern Europe

    Oh but it is, they are already there and they are on the rise.

    First they came for the Palestinians, and I did not speak out -
    Because I was not a Palestinian.

    From a few days ago. History repeats itself. Probably without trying to kill all the jews this time.

    http://revolution-news.com/wp-content/plugins/bj-lazy-load/thumb.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Frevolution-news.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2Fisraelis.jpg&w=1332

    http://revolution-news.com/2-israelis-wore-neo-nazi-shirts-during-attack-on-anti-war-protest-in-tel-aviv/


  • #3514
    TommyKnocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    From Amnesty International

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/mounting-evidence-deliberate-attacks-gaza-health-workers-israeli-army-2014-08-07


  • #3515
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    There are no (................)your right to exist.

    The flaws of Palestinian society are no reason to disallow them self determination.

    Israels treatment of gays would not extend to Palestinians.


  • #3516
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Meanwhile, the colonisation continues

    "The Israel Defense Forces has issued an expropriation order for land in the West Bank village of Ein Yabrud, so that settlers from the nearby Amona outpost can continue using a road that crosses the land.
    The 6.4-dunam (slightly over an acre) plot is owned by Palestinians. The road, like Amona itself, was built without a permit.
    Last summer, after the High Court of Justice heard at length a petition filed by the Yesh Din human rights organization on behalf of the landowners, part of the road was destroyed. A new access road was rebuilt along what had been a public road when the Jordanians controlled the West Bank, from 1948 to 1967.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.609313


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  • #3517
    TommyKnocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    If Bibi didn't know for sure he/Israel was guilty he would not need the US help

    http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Help-Israel-avoid-war-crimes-charges-Netanyahu-urges-US-lawmakers-370352

    http://nypost.com/2014/08/06/netanyahu-asks-us-to-help-israel-avoid-war-crime-charges/

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/7/netanyahu-asks-us-help-israel-avoid-war-crime/


  • #3518
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,110 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    You do not have to move to Palestine and take citizenship to support the Palestinian people against oppression and slaughter.

    You can't take citizenship. there's no country called palestine and israel will only grant it if you're jewish.


  • #3519
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    If Bibi didn't know for sure he/Israel was guilty he would not need the US help

    http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Help-Israel-avoid-war-crimes-charges-Netanyahu-urges-US-lawmakers-370352

    http://nypost.com/2014/08/06/netanyahu-asks-us-to-help-israel-avoid-war-crime-charges/

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/7/netanyahu-asks-us-help-israel-avoid-war-crime/
    Haha! They'll get away with it too!! Sleazy bstards.


  • #3520
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,713 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Contributor 2013 wrote: »
    If Palestine lays down their arms, women and children will not be killed in anymore crossfire, no more parents will be burying their children, so on and so forth.

    Fact is fact.
    not when your wrong, but one can't convince the blindly delusianel unquestioning supporters of a terrorist state

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #3521
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,713 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Exposed me as what now, precisely. Would love to hear this.

    If you think I will respond to people who quote from sites like rense and defame me as Mossad, well, I wouldn't hold your breath.
    so you can't answer his questions then? thought so

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #3522
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,713 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    I addressed that when I said: "I understand the sympathy that Palestine evokes, especially when women and children are killed in bombing raids."

    But Irish people go overboard and many subscribe to a simplistic narrative in their minds that makes them think Palestine is Ireland circa-1916. If I were gay I wouldn't hold aloft a flag of a country that would have me executed for my life choices.
    many people are just not political, they just see women and children being bombed and are angry and rightly so, however things are changing, and people are seeing these rogue states including israel for what they are.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #3523
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,713 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    hju6 wrote: »
    I'll ask this question again as no answer has been forthcoming,

    How are Ethiopian jews treated in Israel ?
    like the palestinians without the slaughtering

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #3524
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    If Bibi didn't know for sure he/Israel was guilty he would not need the US help

    http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Help-Israel-avoid-war-crimes-charges-Netanyahu-urges-US-lawmakers-370352

    http://nypost.com/2014/08/06/netanyahu-asks-us-to-help-israel-avoid-war-crime-charges/

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/7/netanyahu-asks-us-help-israel-avoid-war-crime/


    Wow, so the person he is asking help from has the surname Israel, lol!


  • #3525
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Exposed me as what now, precisely. Would love to hear this.

    If you think I will respond to people who quote from sites like rense and defame me as Mossad, well, I wouldn't hold your breath.

    What ever about the site anti-semitic or... There was quotes from a member of the IDF in it, I also posted two more links with the same quotes

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91604254&postcount=3212

    As for your defamed nonsense, you did the exact same thing when you posted "the Pro-Palestinian movement is a wash with Jew hate".

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91604445&postcount=3227


  • #3526
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    As opposed to Israel, a state founded on the basis of religious fundamentalism, with millions of first and second generation citizens who have no roots in Israel but feel it is their right to dislodge and repress the native Palestinian population from their lands based on a story written a few thousand years ago about a mythical being who "promised" them this land. A state not content to live within its own borders, but has been continually squeezing the Palestinians into ever smaller pockets in the West Bank for the last 50 years while illegally settling nearly 700k of its own citizens in these areas. And you wonder why the Palestinian population resists and fights against this?

    Can you clarify, do you favour the destruction of the state of Israel.


  • #3527
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Can you clarify, do you favour the destruction of the state of Israel.

    I see what you did there :rolleyes:


  • #3528
    TommyKnocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Can you clarify, do you favour the destruction of the state of Israel.
    Define the "State of Israel" as you mean it. What are it's borders?


  • #3529
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    Define the "State of Israel" as you mean it. What are it's borders?

    Is there a point? I'm just going to be accused of being a Zionofascist whatever I say.


  • #3530
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Grayson wrote: »
    You can't take citizenship. there's no country called palestine and israel will only grant it if you're jewish.

    The UN disagrees - and if you dispute the UN's right to confer statehood, you automatically dispute Israel's existence as well, as it was founded by a UN resolution.


  • #3531
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Is there a point? I'm just going to be accused of being a Zionofascist whatever I say.

    The State of Israel has a few borders so I think there is a very valid point and easy to answer too but carry on with the dodging, victimhood nonsense.


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  • #3532
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Is there a point? I'm just going to be accused of being a Zionofascist whatever I say.

    It's difficult for somebody to state whether or not they support the destruction of Israel if there's ambiguity about where exactly Israel begins and ends.

    For the record, I for one support the destruction of all Israeli infrastructure which lies beyond the green line, not the state itself.


  • #3533
    Padraig Mor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,638 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Is there a point? I'm just going to be accused of being a Zionofascist whatever I say.

    The point is that Israel has never declared its borders. When Israel says that Hamas/whoever won't "recognise its right to exist", what that means is (deliberately) not what it sounds like, but that the groups won't formally agree to an Israeli state with borders that they don't know (how could they?).


  • #3534
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    In that case I will go with whatever borders have been UN approved (flawed though that organisation is).


  • #3535
    Padraig Mor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,638 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    porsche959 wrote: »
    In that case I will go with whatever borders have been UN approved (flawed though that organisation is).

    Israel has been in violation of its UN approved borders since the very day of its establishment in 1948. You may choose to be a bit more pragamatic and choose the 1967 boundaries - Israel is also in direct violation of these, as stated on multiple occasions by the UN.

    For all the ignorant, racist characterisation of assorted Arab groupings as obstructionist / anti - peace / unwilling to compromise etc, the simple fact is that the PLO and all Arab and Islamic states (with the exception of Iran IIRC) agreed as far back as 1976 to formally recognise Israel if it stuck with the 1967 boundaries. Instead, Israel has chosen continued expansion, aggression and violence. Even Hamas, portrayed as the bogeyman by those who spout Israeli propaganda without thinking, have regularly stated for over a decade that they will lay down their arms if Israel accepts the 1967 borders. The historical record shows that Israel reacts with violence every time the Palestinians move closer to peace. Hence their funding the establishment of Hamas in the 80s (the PLO were getting a bit too peaceful for their liking), and the current conflict, borne of Israel's anger at Hamas and Fatah forming a unity government, making a peaceful united Palestinian front more likely. Israel does not want, and never has wanted, peace with the Palestinians, as any cursory look at a history book will make clear to those who can be bothered.


  • #3536
    HazDanz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭HazDanz


    Some of the videos are shocking to say the least coming out of Gaza. Imagine walking through your neighborhood and having to shovel through rubble to take out bodies. It's a crime how indifferent the west is over Israel's measures at this moment.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152690833516719&set=vb.562486718&type=2&theater


  • #3537
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Padraig Mor wrote: »
    Israel has been in violation of its UN approved borders since the very day of its establishment in 1948. You may choose to be a bit more pragamatic and choose the 1967 boundaries - Israel is also in direct violation of these, as stated on multiple occasions by the UN.

    For all the ignorant, racist characterisation of assorted Arab groupings as obstructionist / anti - peace / unwilling to compromise etc, the simple fact is that the PLO and all Arab and Islamic states (with the exception of Iran IIRC) agreed as far back as 1976 to formally recognise Israel if it stuck with the 1967 boundaries. Instead, Israel has chosen continued expansion, aggression and violence. Even Hamas, portrayed as the bogeyman by those who spout Israeli propaganda without thinking, have regularly stated for over a decade that they will lay down their arms if Israel accepts the 1967 borders. The historical record shows that Israel reacts with violence every time the Palestinians move closer to peace. Hence their funding the establishment of Hamas in the 80s (the PLO were getting a bit too peaceful for their liking), and the current conflict, borne of Israel's anger at Hamas and Fatah forming a unity government, making a peaceful united Palestinian front more likely. Israel does not want, and never has wanted, peace with the Palestinians, as any cursory look at a history book will make clear to those who can be bothered.

    If these Arab & Islamic states, with exception of Iran, are so peace loving and genuinely want a peaceful solution for Israel and Palestine, then can someone explain to me why it is that in the Arab lands that surround Israe, which are seemingly 600 times its size in land area, but somehow they can't find any room for Palestinian refugees?


  • #3538
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    porsche959 wrote: »
    If these Arab & Islamic states, with exception of Iran, are so peace loving and genuinely want a peaceful solution for Israel and Palestine, then can someone explain to me why it is that in the Arab lands that surround Israe, which are seemingly 600 times its size in land area, but somehow they can't find any room for Palestinian refugees?

    They shouldn't have to!

    That's exactly what Israel wants, All Palestinians to leave so they can take the land.


  • #3539
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    porsche959 wrote: »
    If these Arab & Islamic states, with exception of Iran, are so peace loving and genuinely want a peaceful solution for Israel and Palestine, then can someone explain to me why it is that in the Arab lands that surround Israe, which are seemingly 600 times its size in land area, but somehow they can't find any room for Palestinian refugees?

    Why shouldn't the Palestinians be allowed to return to there home land? I have yet to see a single morally defensible reason for this.....


  • #3540
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    porsche959 wrote: »
    If these Arab & Islamic states, with exception of Iran, are so peace loving and genuinely want a peaceful solution for Israel and Palestine, then can someone explain to me why it is that in the Arab lands that surround Israe, which are seemingly 600 times its size in land area, but somehow they can't find any room for Palestinian refugees?

    Why do they need room for Palestinian refugees?


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  • #3541
    Padraig Mor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,638 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    porsche959 wrote: »
    If these Arab & Islamic states, with exception of Iran, are so peace loving and genuinely want a peaceful solution for Israel and Palestine, then can someone explain to me why it is that in the Arab lands that surround Israe, which are seemingly 600 times its size in land area, but somehow they can't find any room for Palestinian refugees?

    So the Palestinians, who have been evicted from their homes and land in violation of every legal and moral code you may care to mention, been dehumanised, delegitimised, humiliated, bombed and murdered for decades should fúck right off to some other country where they have no history because, well, they're all Arabs anyway and Israel has the right to do all this because their Bible says the land is theirs? Have I interpreted you correctly?


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