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Are scumbags people too?

  • 06-08-2014 10:29PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭


    You see a lot of talk on here of people wanting to lock up/beat/torture scumbags who steal, assault people. break the law numerous times etc. etc. So what I'm just wondering is, do you consider them to be as much a human as any of the rest of us (I'm obviously not talking about the physical sense)? Do you think of them as sub-human? As in, do they deserve their human rights even if they have prevented other people from having theirs? What do you think should be done to sort out the problems?

    To be honest I don't feel ostracising "scumbags" from society/beating them up/torturing them will help the situation at all. That being said, I don't have any sympathy for them if they are going to act like scum. I think more can be done in their childhood/adolescence to prevent them from acting the gobshíte when they grow up, and if the parents aren't willing to do that then I think it's up to the State to sort out the issue (I know that maybe a very unpopular opinion around these parts :p). Fewer suspended sentences would help too in my opinion, especially when their number of offences are in the teens and upwards.

    Here's a list of "human rights" if any of ye wanna scan over them, they're a bit long though...
    Article 1.

    All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

    Article 2.

    Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

    Article 3.

    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Article 4.

    No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

    Article 5.

    No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

    Article 6.

    Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

    Article 7.

    All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

    Article 8.

    Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

    Article 9.

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

    Article 10.

    Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

    Article 11.

    (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
    (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

    Article 12.

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Article 13.

    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

    Article 14.

    (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
    (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

    Article 15.

    (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
    (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

    Article 16.

    (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
    (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
    (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

    Article 17.

    (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
    (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

    Article 18.

    Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

    Article 19.

    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    Article 20.

    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
    (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

    Article 21.

    (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
    (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
    (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

    Article 22.

    Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

    Article 23.

    (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
    (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
    (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
    (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

    Article 24.

    Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

    Article 25.

    (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
    (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    Article 26.

    (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
    (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
    (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

    Article 27.

    (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
    (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

    Article 28.

    Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

    Article 29.

    (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
    (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
    (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

    Article 30.

    Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

    What d'ya think AH? Looking forward to the inevitable sarcastic responses ;)

    Would you consider scumbags human? 73 votes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Fcuked if I'm reading all that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    Ffs Op more than 160 words and im out. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    You see a lot of talk on here of people wanting to lock up/beat/torture scumbags who steal, assault people. break the law numerous times etc. etc. So what I'm just wondering is, do you consider them to be as much a human as any of the rest of us (I'm obviously not talking about the physical sense)? Do you think of them as sub-human? As in, do they deserve their human rights even if they have prevented other people from having theirs? What do you think should be done to sort out the problems?

    To be honest I don't feel ostracising "scumbags" from society/beating them up/torturing them will help the situation at all. That being said, I don't have any sympathy for them if they are going to act like scum. I think more can be done in their childhood/adolescence to prevent them from acting the gobshíte when they grow up, and if the parents aren't willing to do that then I think it's up to the State to sort out the issue (I know that maybe a very unpopular opinion around these parts :p). Fewer suspended sentences would help too in my opinion, especially when their number of offences are in the teens and upwards.

    Here's a list of "human rights" if any of ye wanna scan over them, they're a bit long though...



    What d'ya think AH? Looking forward to the inevitable sarcastic responses ;)

    Yes.

    Dogs are people too btw.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Something something about holding their hands and prisons being holiday camps and playstations and plasma tellys and kissing them better when they beat up grannies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    Turn Kerry into a mass concentration camp for scumbags - should they misbehave, they're permanently ostracised to Kerry with no opportunity for escape.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Hotfail.com


    Ffs Op more than 160 words and im out. :pac:

    The declaration of human rights is a good read! ;):p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Sure more than half those articles are routinely ignored


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Macavity.


    no because BANKERS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭The Th!ng


    (Scumbags = Politicians) < Human.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭FreshKnickers


    No, scumbags are not people. They are bags. Bags of scum. Scumbags, if you will.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭whirlpool


    "Scumbags" are a product of an unfortunate vicious cycle. It's going to take a State effort to break the cycle. It's not just in Ireland, it's everywhere in the world. Everyone has to take responsibility for themselves and has to accept their punishment. But if we really want to reduce the incidences of troublemaking in the world, and in our country, we need to come at it from a different angle. The current dynamic of anger, hatred and punishment isn't getting us anywhere, it's doing the opposite.

    I have compassion for scumbags. I'm not one, because I was lucky enough to have non-scumbag parents, and my parents had non-scumbag parents, and so on and so on. Scumbags have not been so lucky.

    Nobody's a scumbag because they had a happy upbringing and a fortunate background, they're scumbags because of the opposite. And they're angry at the world and the more fortunate around them.

    edit: Oh and I have personally been "the victim" of scumbags on numerous occasions. I still know that I have it much better than they ever had, or probably ever will.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Anyone that has amassed 10 convictions should be taken out of society.

    Personally I am in favour of a cost effective death penalty, no dragged out appeals process or stays of execution in this scenario. Key is to save the state and tax payer the cost of long term imprisonment.

    One bullet to the back of the head, cost forwarded to next of kin, then quick incineration.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Turn Kerry into a mass concentration camp for scumbags - should they misbehave, they're permanently ostracised to Kerry with no opportunity for escape.

    Cork would work better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭The Th!ng


    Round them up like a wild west cattle drive, ship them off to Afghanistan to be used for clearing IED's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Hotfail.com


    whirlpool wrote: »
    "Scumbags" are a product of an unfortunate vicious cycle. It's going to take a State effort to break the cycle. It's not just in Ireland, it's everywhere in the world. Everyone has to take responsibility for themselves and has to accept their punishment. But if we really want to reduce the incidences of troublemaking in the world, and in our country, we need to come at it from a different angle. The current dynamic of anger, hatred and punishment isn't getting us anywhere, it's doing the opposite.

    I have compassion for scumbags. I'm not one, because I was lucky enough to have non-scumbag parents, and my parents had non-scumbag parents, and so on and so on. Scumbags have not been so lucky.

    Nobody's a scumbag because they had a happy upbringing and a fortunate background, they're scumbags because of the opposite. And they're angry at the world and the more fortunate around them.

    You can express my opinion better than I ever could! :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Meh, they opt out of contributing to normal society and take the easy way out by just being scrotes but they still expect the protections that society gives them.

    We should probably contain/concentrate them into certain areas and come up with some sort of terminal fix for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    whirlpool wrote: »
    I have compassion for scumbags. I'm not one, because I was lucky enough to have non-scumbag parents, and my parents had non-scumbag parents, and so on and so on. Scumbags have not been so lucky.

    Nobody's a scumbag because they had a happy upbringing and a fortunate background, they're scumbags because of the opposite. And they're angry at the world and the more fortunate around them.

    Lots of scumbags come from good homes and decent parents.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Lots of scumbags come from good homes and decent parents.

    Except they don't at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Path of least resistance for everyone and nobody's path is defined by themselves, if it was they would have to have control of every single external force slash stimulus. So I judge a scumbag the same as I judge someone who works on a farm, or myself.

    That's not to say I wouldn't have naturally strong feelings if one of these scumbags affected me but I wouldn't be able to think of them as an individual completely responsible, I've just gone past the point of being able to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Anyone that has amassed 10 convictions should be taken out of society.

    Personally I am in favour of a cost effective death penalty, no dragged out appeals process or stays of execution in this scenario. Key is to save the state and tax payer the cost of long term imprisonment.

    One bullet to the back of the head, cost forwarded to next of kin, then quick incineration.

    Ah, the Chinese solution to an Irish problem.


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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Lots of scumbags come from good homes and decent parents.

    But most don't, and there's no escaping that fact.

    Well adjusted people who's parents encourage education and inculcate their kids with respect for both themselves and other members of society tend not to become scumbags.

    Social deprivation and poor parenting are the twin pillars of scumbagism, and as long as those factors exist, there will be scumbags.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    Except they don't at all.

    Of course they do!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Candie wrote: »
    But most don't, and there's no escaping that fact.

    Well adjusted people who's parents encourage education and inculcate their kids with respect for both themselves and other members of society tend not to become scumbags.

    Social deprivation and poor parenting are the twin pillars of scumbagism, and as long as those factors exist, there will be scumbags.

    It's easier for knackbags to blame their poor background on them fecking up than take responsibility for their own actions. This sort of thread isn't new in AH, if it lasts you'll hear from plenty of posters from crappy backgrounds who didn't turn out to be scumbags.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Being a horrible c*nt isn't limited to any particular background.

    How a person is raised does have a bearing though on how this c*ntishness manifests itself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Ah, the Chinese solution to an Irish problem.

    Bast**ds stole my idea.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheZohan wrote: »
    It's easier for knackbags to blame their poor background on them fecking up than take responsibility for their own actions. This sort of thread isn't new in AH, if it lasts you'll hear from plenty of posters from crappy backgrounds who didn't turn out to be scumbags.

    And if everyone was exactly the same person with exactly the same circumstances and exactly the same families and exactly the same external factors, that would actually be relevant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,014 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    The other thing I've noticed about scumbags is that they are proficient breeders. You'd think with what they put into their bodies they would have no chance of reproducing but no every time i see one of the junkie girls around the place they seem to be preggers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    TheZohan wrote: »
    It's easier for knackbags to blame their poor background on them fecking up than take responsibility for their own actions. This sort of thread isn't new in AH, if it lasts you'll hear from plenty of posters from crappy backgrounds who didn't turn out to be scumbags.

    Exactly - a point that doesn't fit with the belief that people are not responsible for their own scumbaggery.

    For every scumbag, how many have siblings that are not scumbags? Most, I'd say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Anyone that has amassed 10 convictions should be taken out of society.

    Personally I am in favour of a cost effective death penalty, no dragged out appeals process or stays of execution in this scenario. Key is to save the state and tax payer the cost of long term imprisonment.

    One bullet to the back of the head, cost forwarded to next of kin, then quick incineration.
    Public executions would help lift people's spirits during this recession.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Macavity.


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    The other thing I've noticed about scumbags is that they are proficient breeders. You'd think with what they put into their bodies they would have no chance of reproducing but no every time i see one of the junkie girls around the place they seem to be preggers

    They're not overly fond of contraceptives.


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