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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #3392
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Do you not think there is a point in that statement though?? You call out others on their whataboutery but you cant accept some obvious hypocrisy when it's placed right in front of you??

    Again read the thread title,

    I could write a nice little piece about little children and babies being killed whilst asleep in 'safe UN buildings' make a poster and spread it around the internet too,


  • #3393
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,328 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    porsche959 wrote: »
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    Usual deflection tactics. Straight from the Mossad handbook of online trolling. The thread title might give the game away.

    For a start people have "cried out" about the killings in Egypt and Libya and Syria and Afghanistan(you'll find few people here who reckon the US led forces have done a bang up job there). The crap in Ethiopia is on a few threads in a few forums on boards. Sorry you're gonna have to try harder there Ted. Maybe play the anti semite card especially the historic one. That's always a beauty. Real difficult to pull off in Ireland mind you. In a thousand years Irish Jews have been a tiny yet important, welcome and influential part of our nation and in that time about the only incident you could point to is the Limerick pogrom, which was only labeled a pogrom after the fact and nobody died and folks fleeing it were given support and shelter by other Irish people. Compare our record to the rest of Europe and get back to us.

    In any event IMHO what's going on in Gaza is nothing less than a structured plantation and genocide of a subpopulation. Yep, I said the G word. Oh noes. And it's a plan that has been going on for many a decade. Look at a map of Israel since the 40's and then get back to us. The Palestinians didn't agree to be shut up in ever decreasing areas surrounded on all sides by foreign settlers who stole their lands and surrounded on all sides by walls and guns. Many Palestinians are living in what could easily be described as concentration camps. Oh noes the C word too. Only barbed wire has been replaced by concrete and stone.

    As for casualties? Only a blinkered idiot could possibly deny that Palestinian casualties are of a magnitude greater than Israeli and growing daily. The current Israeli regime is doing its damnedest to kill as many as possible, or as many as they think their supporters both at home and abroad will stomach. As it's turning out they may be crossing the line this time and people are beginning to wake up to this nonsense. This is an "army" that has targeted UN shelters FFS, shelters the UN sent them the coordinates of and they still hit them. Human shields my arse. Handy term that one, but again the BS ain't selling this time. This is a force that has taken out power stations, clinics, residential areas too. This crap has been going on for decade after decade and they wonder why Palestinians might have animosity brewing?

    Hamas? They're ****, but they're largely an Israeli invention to put the boogymen under one label. An overegged threat, not borne out by actual casualties. Not unlike Al Queda for the Americans and the British. Hamas gives them a great excuse. If Hamas didn't exist they'd have to invent them. They don't want peace. Peace would be inconvenient. Then they'd have to explain the countrywide theft and apartheid of an entire people. Oil and gas feilds have been mentioned. I wonder where some of those deposits are? How convenient if Gaza ceased to exist. Hmmm. Indeed.

    Where you will find Irish historical resonance is the Plantations. Where a foreign force came in claiming the land as theirs and expelling the locals. That crap runs deep in the Irish psyche and when we see it writ large in Israel we react to it more than most.

    Plus on another level, certainly on mine, I do ask myself WTF when it comes to Israelis. Of all peoples you would think they might have learned some lessons because of the historical horrors visited upon them by others. Thinking "this will never happen again to us" is only half the lesson that should have been learned, it's a pity to have lost the wiser lesson of "this should never happen again". full bloody stop. Israel should exist, however building on the bones of others will never end well. It's a pity because it has so much promise still.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #3394
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Do you not think there is a point in that statement though?? You call out others on their whataboutery but you cant accept some obvious hypocrisy when it's placed right in front of you??

    What place do you think it has in this thread? Why do you think the mod said no whataboutery in the very first post?

    It adds nothing to the debate apart from disruption, regardless of it's merits or lack of.


  • #3395
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    OK I haven't being persuaded by much of the proceeding discussion to change my view on this situation. I do admit that I'd greatly admire the heartfelt loyalty you all have for the Israeli cause, and I'm sure it is deep seated and heartfelt and you have raised many thoughtful and provocative questions on the subject backed up by compelling 3rd party sources of unquestionable origin. However, I did not find it compelling enough to convince and so I would ask all those,who have not already seen this,to gave some thought to the following petition.

    https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/President_of_International_Criminal_Court_Song_SangHyun_Charge_Israel_for_War_Crimes_against_Humanity/?tmXofib


  • #3396
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    OK I haven't being persuaded by much of the proceeding discussion to change my view on this situation. I do admit that I'd greatly admire the heartfelt loyalty you all have for the Israeli cause, and I'm sure it is deep seated and heartfelt and you have raised many thoughtful and provocative questions on the subject backed up by compelling 3rd party sources of unquestionable origin. However, I did not find it compelling enough to convince and so I would ask all those,who have not already seen this,to gave some thought to the following petition.

    https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/President_of_International_Criminal_Court_Song_SangHyun_Charge_Israel_for_War_Crimes_against_Humanity/?tmXofib

    Will you be creating one for Hamas too?


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  • #3397
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Will you be creating one for Hamas too?

    Will you or does everything on this thread have to be done for you?


  • #3398
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Usual deflection tactics. Straight from the Mossad handbook of online trolling. The thread title might give the game away...I won't quote the rest to save space for valuable discussion


    Well I have to say this is very compelling and obviously the poster made a considerable effort to express his opinion in a succinct and articulate manner.Not everybody will agree,of course,but you can't fault him for effort and heartfelt passion.


  • #3399
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Will you be creating one for Hamas too?

    I didn't create the one I posted,I just posted the one I think I decided was necessary to back. If you can find one that also condemns Hamas then there is nothing stopping you sharing it. I think you should gave some thought before you decide to post cheap one line posts because I have never expressed support for Hamas. Please make some effort to appear rational and capable of meaningful debate. Personally I have to allocate my time to those things which are educational and informative and to people who have something substantial to say as there is only so much time in the day. I'm sure you will find somebody here who finds your opinion coherent and amusing and not facile and idiotic like I do.


  • #3400
    HazDanz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭HazDanz


    I don't think anything will save Palestine in the long run unless the Arab nations are unified and make something happen. America and Britain will not help Palestine. UN will not help Palestine.
    History has shown this.

    The British Balfour declaration for Palestine back in the early 1920s was contradictory and detrimental to both the Jews and Arabs in Palestine. The British withdrawl from Palestine in the 40s due to Zionist terrorism paved the way for a mentality from Israel that bully tactics and terrorism does work and will lead to an Israel which occupies all of Palestine. Zionist movement it could be argued created modern day mentalities that terror works for political gains in the middle east.

    Zionists have been for the past ninty years the bullies of the middle east which the west back and it's sickening to be honest. Palestine has always looked for the arab nations to make a stand that will be everlasting and respectful of what is rightfully theirs. Unless Arab nations care enough about Palestine I cannot see it surviving in decades to come.


  • #3401
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Usual deflection tactics. Straight from the Mossad handbook of online trolling. The thread title might give the game away.

    For a start people have "cried out" about the killings in Egypt and Libya and Syria and Afghanistan(you'll find few people here who reckon the US led forces have done a bang up job there). The crap in Ethiopia is on a few threads in a few forums on boards. Sorry you're gonna have to try harder there Ted. Maybe play the anti semite card especially the historic one. That's always a beauty. Real difficult to pull off in Ireland mind you. In a thousand years Irish Jews have been a tiny yet important, welcome and influential part of our nation and in that time about the only incident you could point to is the Limerick pogrom, which was only labeled a pogrom after the fact and nobody died and folks fleeing it were given support and shelter by other Irish people. Compare our record to the rest of Europe and get back to us.

    In any event IMHO what's going on in Gaza is nothing less than a structured plantation and genocide of a subpopulation. Yep, I said the G word. Oh noes. And it's a plan that has been going on for many a decade. Look at a map of Israel since the 40's and then get back to us. The Palestinians didn't agree to be shut up in ever decreasing areas surrounded on all sides by foreign settlers who stole their lands and surrounded on all sides by walls and guns. Many Palestinians are living in what could easily be described as concentration camps. Oh noes the C word too. Only barbed wire has been replaced by concrete and stone.

    As for casualties? Only a blinkered idiot could possibly deny that Palestinian casualties are of a magnitude greater than Israeli and growing daily. The current Israeli regime is doing its damnedest to kill as many as possible, or as many as they think their supporters both at home and abroad will stomach. As it's turning out they may be crossing the line this time and people are beginning to wake up to this nonsense. This is an "army" that has targeted UN shelters FFS, shelters the UN sent them the coordinates of and they still hit them. Human shields my arse. Handy term that one, but again the BS ain't selling this time. This is a force that has taken out power stations, clinics, residential areas too. This crap has been going on for decade after decade and they wonder why Palestinians might have animosity brewing?

    Hamas? They're ****, but they're largely an Israeli invention to put the boogymen under one label. An overegged threat, not borne out by actual casualties. Not unlike Al Queda for the Americans and the British. Hamas gives them a great excuse. If Hamas didn't exist they'd have to invent them. They don't want peace. Peace would be inconvenient. Then they'd have to explain the countrywide theft and apartheid of an entire people. Oil and gas feilds have been mentioned. I wonder where some of those deposits are? How convenient if Gaza ceased to exist. Hmmm. Indeed.

    Where you will find Irish historical resonance is the Plantations. Where a foreign force came in claiming the land as theirs and expelling the locals. That crap runs deep in the Irish psyche and when we see it writ large in Israel we react to it more than most.

    Plus on another level, certainly on mine, I do ask myself WTF when it comes to Israelis. Of all peoples you would think they might have learned some lessons because of the historical horrors visited upon them by others. Thinking "this will never happen again to us" is only half the lesson that should have been learned, it's a pity to have lost the wiser lesson of "this should never happen again". full bloody stop. Israel should exist, however building on the bones of others will never end well. It's a pity because it has so much promise still.


    Well said Wibbs. Personally, I have decided to ignore some of the obvious and blatant nonsense. So your post is very much appreciated.


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  • #3402
    Azwaldo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Azwaldo55


    Wibbs wrote: »
    In any event IMHO what's going on in Gaza is nothing less than a structured plantation and genocide of a subpopulation.

    Israel withdrew all Israeli settlers from Gaza in 2005 by force.
    The population of Gaza is over 1.8 million.

    So if this is a plantation and a genocide the Israelis must be worst at it in the world.
    The Palestinians didn't agree to be shut up in ever decreasing areas surrounded on all sides by foreign settlers who stole their lands and surrounded on all sides by walls and guns.

    The reason there are security barriers between Israel and Palestine and around Israeli settlements is to stop Palestinian terrorists from attacking Israelis. Apparently the incessant gun and suicide bomb attacks by Palestinian terrorists against Israelis have somehow escaped your attention?
    Many Palestinians are living in what could easily be described as concentration camps.

    The Palestinians are ranked as 8th in the world for obesity.
    As for casualties? Only a blinkered idiot could possibly deny that Palestinian casualties are of a magnitude greater than Israeli and growing daily.

    Palestinian deaths have been caused by Hamas positioning rockets in mosques, schools, hospitals and residential areas as well as UN shelters with the complicity of the UN.
    Rockets are fired at Israeli civilians forcing the IDF to hit the rocket launchers.
    This is a deliberate strategy by Hamas to create photogenic victims for Western news audiences.


    The current Israeli regime is doing its damnedest to kill as many as possible, or as many as they think their supporters both at home and abroad will stomach.

    The Israeli military is dropped leaflets and send Palestinians text messages warning them of imminent attacks and to leave the areas that are being bombed and shelled by their forces.


    This is an "army" that has targeted UN shelters FFS, shelters the UN sent them the coordinates of and they still hit them. Human shields my arse. Handy term that one, but again the BS ain't selling this time.

    UN facilities have been used as rocket storage sites and rocket launch sites by Hamas:
    GAZA, July 29 (Reuters) - The United Nations agency that looks after Palestinian refugees said on Tuesday it had found a cache of rockets at one of its schools in the Gaza Strip and deplored those who had put them there.

    United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) spokesman Chris Gunness condemned those responsible for placing civilians in harm's way by storing the rockets at the school but he did not specifically blame any particular party.

    http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFL6N0Q45TO20140729
    Hamas? They're ****, but they're largely an Israeli invention to put the boogymen under one label. An overegged threat, not borne out by actual casualties.

    THOUSANDS of rockets have been fired at Israel by Hamas from civilian areas of Gaza.



    Without Iron Dome thousands of Israeli men women and children would be dead.

    Not all the rockets can be stopped and civilians have been killed while hundreds of thousands of Israelis are forced to run for cover in concrete bunkers.

    You obviously haven't clue what you are talking about.

    You are clearly hopelessly biased against Israel.


  • #3403
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »

    You are clearly hopelessly biased against Israel.

    He doesn't hold the same opinion as you do but that doesn't make it bias.ANd you should also make a distinction between the Israeli government policies and Israeli people as a whole. Your opinion is not shared by alot of Jewish people and they would concur with the sentiments expressed by the poster.So you can't accuse him of bias really if you are too be honest and not just hysterical.

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    Breaking the Silence

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    http://jewishpeaceactivists.blogspot.ie/


  • #3404
    Azwaldo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Azwaldo55


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    He doesn't hold the same opinion as you do but that doesn't make it bias.ANd you should also make a distinction between the Israeli government policies and Israeli people as a whole. Your opinion is not shared by alot of Jewish people and they would concur with the sentiments expressed by the poster.So you can't accuse him of bias really if you are too be honest and not just hysterical.

    He is willfully ignorant of facts.

    I have posted videos showing Israelis calling off attacks in order to spare civilians.

    I have posted videos showing Hamas firing rockets from civilians areas.

    I have posted videos of Hamas spokespersons admitting their strategy of using their own people as human shields.

    I have posted an article in which the UN admits its facilities were used to store rockets.

    You willfully refuse to take on board this obvious evidence.

    Mosab Hassan Yousef in his own words describes the genocidal goals of Hamas - their aim to kill all the Jews, destroy Israel and establish a global caliphate.



    Faced with this overwhelming evidence and knowing what Ireland would do if it faced the same threat you cannot with a straight face condemn Israel.


  • #3405
    Azwaldo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Azwaldo55


    The truth about Hamas tunnels used to smuggle weapons into Gaza and also to attack Israel.



  • #3406
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Israel withdrew all Israeli settlers from Gaza in 2005 by force.
    The population of Gaza is over 1.8 million.

    So if this is a plantation and a genocide the Israelis must be worst at it in the world.
    Israel has just grabbed half of Gaza. They've declared a "security zone" and communities have been told to leave

    Look at the map - almost half the area of the Gaza strip has been depopulated. http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/76633000/gif/_76633159_picx.gif

    Source - Scroll down to the bottom of this BBC news page

    The nett effect is that Gaza has probably overtaken Singapore and Hong Kong in population density.


  • #3407
    HazDanz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭HazDanz


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    He is willfully ignorant of facts.

    I have posted videos showing Israelis calling off attacks in order to spare civilians.

    I have posted videos showing Hamas firing rockets from civilians areas.

    I have posted videos of Hamas spokespersons admitting their strategy of using their own people as human shields.

    I have posted an article in which the UN admits its facilities were used to store rockets.

    You willfully refuse to take on board this obvious evidence.

    Mosab Hassan Yousef in his own words describes the genocidal goals of Hamas - their aim to kill all the Jews, destroy Israel and establish a global caliphate.



    Faced with this overwhelming evidence and knowing what Ireland would do if it faced the same threat you cannot with a straight face condemn Israel.

    Palestinian Arabs in 1947 - 2/3 majority with 1.2 million people compared to 600,000 jews in Palestine. (1920s the Jews were 3% of the populous of Palestine until Britian allowed them in in their droves)

    Arabs owned 94% of the land in 1947 and 80% of the arable farmland of the country. UN authorised to give half of Palestine to Israel to set up a state in 1947. The economical half of Palestine they authorised to give as well.

    That hardly seems fair on Palestinian Arabs does it? Palestinian's who look for most of their land back is simply because it was theirs to begin with and the Jews decided through western lobbying to take a massive chunk of land that should not really be theirs.

    I can see why Palestinian Arabs might be extremist in nature due to Israeli extremism to establish a state for Jews as big as they feel it should be.


  • #3408
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    HazDanz wrote: »
    I don't think anything will save Palestine in the long run unless the Arab nations are unified and make something happen. America and Britain will not help Palestine. UN will not help Palestine.
    History has shown this.

    The British Balfour declaration for Palestine back in the early 1920s was contradictory and detrimental to both the Jews and Arabs in Palestine. The British withdrawl from Palestine in the 40s due to Zionist terrorism paved the way for a mentality from Israel that bully tactics and terrorism does work and will lead to an Israel which occupies all of Palestine. Zionist movement it could be argued created modern day mentalities that terror works for political gains in the middle east.

    Zionists have been for the past ninty years the bullies of the middle east which the west back and it's sickening to be honest. Palestine has always looked for the arab nations to make a stand that will be everlasting and respectful of what is rightfully theirs. Unless Arab nations care enough about Palestine I cannot see it surviving in decades to come.

    The reality is that many modern democratic nations, including Ireland, France, the US, etc, were founded in violence. Interesting that some only single out Israel in this regard. Wonder why that is, hmmm.


  • #3409
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,609 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    The Palestinians are ranked as 8th in the world for obesity.

    Jesus.. there's a familiar argument against the assertion that Gazans are living in an open air concentration camp.

    Who are you a re-reg of again?

    Here's the rebuttal I gave you when you came out with that same shite on your last account

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=83918746&postcount=308
    A few points from that
    • 70% of people in Gaza face food insecurity.
    • Restrictions on the importation of medical equipment means that people often go without proper treatment.
    • Restrictions on the movement of staff & patients make it difficult for people to avail of adequate treatment.
    • Israel retains control of all underground and surface water resources.
    • Settlers often vandalize Palestinian water infrastructure, contaminating wells and springs as well as destroying infrastructure and livelihoods.


  • #3410
    Dubl07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Dubl07


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    He is willfully ignorant of facts.

    I have posted videos showing Israelis calling off attacks in order to spare civilians.

    I have posted videos showing Hamas firing rockets from civilians areas.

    I have posted videos of Hamas spokespersons admitting their strategy of using their own people as human shields.

    I have posted an article in which the UN admits its facilities were used to store rockets.

    You willfully refuse to take on board this obvious evidence.

    Mosab Hassan Yousef in his own words describes the genocidal goals of Hamas - their aim to kill all the Jews, destroy Israel and establish a global caliphate.



    Faced with this overwhelming evidence and knowing what Ireland would do if it faced the same threat you cannot with a straight face condemn Israel.

    I can. I do. There's a difference between a homemade rocket and a sophisticated missile. There's a difference between a disaffected, disenfranchised inhabitant of a concentration camp and a well-trained member of one of the best trained and best armed military forces on the planet.

    I refuse to buy Israeli products. I explain why to my Jewish friends, the majority of whom understand and agree. I refuse to condone military attacks by the IDF on large populations of innocents to target a few antagonists. I entirely disregard the drivel PR from the AIPAC propaganda machine. The issues are land-hunger, off-shore mineral rights along with an unhealthy dose of power-lust.


  • #3411
    HazDanz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭HazDanz


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    The truth about Hamas tunnels used to smuggle weapons into Gaza and also to attack Israel.


    Maybe show the whole story?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1uatEfM7Xw


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  • #3412
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    Apologies to anybody I put on my ignore list.It's not personal but there is only so many times you can read the same old thing before it gets stale and boring.I've taken on board the points you raised and was not convinced by them. Better luck with fellow posters. I also can't take people seriously who insist on slandering others just because they don't agree with their opinion.If you can't be mature about debating then I would rather not hear from you.


  • #3413
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    porsche959 wrote: »
    The reality is that many modern democratic nations, including Ireland, France, the US, etc, were founded in violence. Interesting that some only single out Israel in this regard. Wonder why that is, hmmm.

    Because in the examples you cite, the violence was against an oppressive power. And in Gaza, Israel is the oppressive power. You are comparing Israel to Ireland. That's completely incorrect. Ireland is much more like Palestine, fighting back plantations and the theft of land.


  • #3414
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    porsche959 wrote: »
    The reality is that many modern democratic nations, including Ireland, France, the US, etc, were founded in violence. Interesting that some only single out Israel in this regard. Wonder why that is, hmmm.

    Because we all wear Jew hating caps? :rolleyes:


  • #3415
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Bring it on!

    Any trial of IDF members will show that terrorist safe houses, terrorist command centers, rocket launchers, rocket stores and depots were hit.

    The civilians deaths were caused by Hamas using their own people as human shields while firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

    It will be interesting how silent the Israel haters will be when the IDF are vindicated.

    And the evidence of Israeli soldiers using Palestinian kids as human shields?


  • #3416
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    The truth about Hamas tunnels used to smuggle weapons into Gaza and also to attack Israel.

    Yeah, but so what? You're saying it's OK to get free bombs from the USA to steal Palestinian land but not OK to get weapons through a tunnel to resist the invasion?


  • #3417
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Dubl07 wrote: »
    I refuse to buy Israeli products. I explain why to my Jewish friends, the majority of whom understand and agree.

    That is of course your right but do you hector others into boycotting Israeli products?


  • #3418
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »



    The reason there are security barriers between Israel and Palestine and around Israeli settlements is to stop Palestinian terrorists from attacking Israelis. Apparently the incessant gun and suicide bomb attacks by Palestinian terrorists against Israelis have somehow escaped your attention.

    700,000 settlers in illegal settlements on occupied territory in the West bank and East Jerusalem. Let's not forget that little bit.


  • #3419
    Azwaldo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Azwaldo55


    HazDanz wrote: »
    Palestinian Arabs in 1947 - 2/3 majority with 1.2 million people compared to 600,000 jews in Palestine. (1920s the Jews were 3% of the populous of Palestine until Britian allowed them in in their droves)

    There are 6 million Jews in Israel today and they are not going anywhere. Palestinians don't want them there? Tough. They are going to have to deal with it and stop firing rockets.
    Arabs owned 94% of the land in 1947 and 80% of the arable farmland of the country. UN authorised to give half of Palestine to Israel to set up a state in 1947. The economical half of Palestine they authorised to give as well.

    The Arabs rejected the establishment of Israel and attacked it from all sides. The 1967 borders of Israel were the ceasefire line. The aim of the Arabs was to kill all the Jews.
    That hardly seems fair on Palestinian Arabs does it? Palestinian's who look for most of their land back is simply because it was theirs to begin with and the Jews decided through western lobbying to take a massive chunk of land that should not really be theirs.

    Today Israel exists and millions of Jews live there now so there is no chance of the Arabs returning.

    There is no realistic chance of there being any settlement if Arab think they can destroy Israel and push out all the Jews.

    The two state solution is two states based on the 1967 borders.
    I can see why Palestinian Arabs might be extremist in nature due to Israeli extremism to establish a state for Jews as big as they feel it should be.

    Rubbish.

    The Palestinians are inspired by the Koran and the Hadiths which command them to kill Jews and infidels and conquer the earth for Islam.


  • #3420
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    The two state solution is two states based on the 1967 borders.
    What a pity Israel don't give a flying **** about any solution that doesn't involve illegally stealing all Palestinian land.


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  • #3421
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,716 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Palestinian deaths have been caused by Hamas positioning rockets in mosques, schools, hospitals and residential areas as well as UN shelters with the complicity of the UN.

    no evidence exists of schools mosques hospitals and residential areas being used to hide rockets, and suggesting the UN are complicit in it? you'l have evidence to back it up yes? no you don't, because its nonsense so you won't have any.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Rockets are fired at Israeli civilians forcing the IDF to hit the rocket launchers.

    and they are doing a **** job of it, but are very good at hitting civilians even though they have supposibly modern weapons with guided capability.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    This is a deliberate strategy by Hamas to create photogenic victims for Western news audiences.

    oh they don't need to creat anything, the evidence against israel is there for all to see i'm afraid.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    The Israeli military is dropped leaflets and send Palestinians text messages warning them of imminent attacks and to leave the areas that are being bombed and shelled by their forces.

    how lovely of them, i bet only a few are actually dropped and the text messages don't happen at all, strangely though, the people have no where to go because when they go to a place of supposed safety israel bomb it.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    UN facilities have been used as rocket storage sites and rocket launch sites by Hamas

    prove it
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    THOUSANDS of rockets have been fired at Israel by Hamas from civilian areas of Gaza.

    and thats wrong, but they are caught by the iron dome, and when people are backed in to a corner and treated like animals, its not surprising they fight back.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    You are clearly hopelessly biased against Israel.

    i'm biased against nobody, i just don't like people no matter who they are commiting crimes against humanity and deliberately murdering civilians, isis, israel, all the same, just extremists from a different religion.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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