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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #3362
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,718 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Israel is in a far stronger position today.

    no, afraid not
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    1.Egypt is bankrupt and divided.

    i'm sure if israel was a severe threat to them they could come together if they needed to.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    2.Syria and Iraq are tearing themselves apart.

    i'm sure if israel was a severe threat to them they could come together if they needed to.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    3.Hezbollah in Lebanon have been deterred from attacking Israel out of fear of getting the same treatment as Hamas.

    actually no they haven't, i'm nearly certain the IDF as pathetic as they are ran back across the border and did a deal that suited both parties.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    4.Iran must be doubting whether they can fire rockets at Israel and hit their targets and must fear Israel reprisal if they do.

    well no, i'm sure iran has decent enough equipment to defend itself, otherwise israel would have bombed them ages ago, israel doesn't seem to want to go there thankfully.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    5.Hamas are now isolated and in rag order with few avenues of replenishing their rocket supplies. The will or capacity of the Palestinian Arabs to attack Israel is lower than it has been in decades.

    doubtful, only israel going back to pre 1967 borders has a major chance of stopping the rockets.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    6.The U.S. public support Israel while the shrill anti-semitic European leaders weak and divided are impotent.

    huh? i'm sure some of the US public support israel just like some of the irish and other countries public, others on the other hand aren't stupid, shrill anti-semitic European leaders? really? why should israel have unquestioning support?
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    7.Russia and China and India are engaged in wars against Islamic insurgents and can only sympathize with Israel.

    what makes you think they can only sympathize with Israel.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    8. The Israel economy is strong and the discovery of oil and gas fields in Israeli waters looks promising.

    so they won't need aid from the US anymore then, good.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #3363
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Apology accepted

    Well done, you just made my point.


  • #3364
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Bring it on!

    Any trial of IDF members will show that terrorist safe houses, terrorist command centers, rocket launchers, rocket stores and depots were hit.

    The civilians deaths were caused by Hamas using their own people as human shields while firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

    It will be interesting how silent the Israel haters will be when the IDF are vindicated.

    Dafuq are they putting in your burger?


  • #3365
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    WakeUp wrote: »
    But why will that be that..with regard to the international community..why? if the international community believe Israel has a case to answer why wont it happen? can you be specific..

    The ICC won't touch this with a barge pole for starters.
    I'd like to know, also, what you mean by international community


  • #3366
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    NotASheeple wrote: »
    Well done, you just made my point.

    Didn't realise you were actually trying to make one. Apologies.


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  • #3367
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,718 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Bring it on!

    Any trial of IDF members will show that terrorist safe houses, terrorist command centers, rocket launchers, rocket stores and depots were hit.

    The civilians deaths were caused by Hamas using their own people as human shields while firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

    It will be interesting how silent the Israel haters will be when the IDF are vindicated.
    no, wrong again, if they did nothing wrong then israel wouldn't mind an investigation, the fact they do, says it all really

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #3368
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Didn't realise you were actually trying to make one. Apologies.


    Keep it up, you're still making my point.


  • #3369
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    NotASheeple wrote: »
    Keep it up, you're still making my point.


    Happy to help, you were dragging it out a bit.


  • #3370
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    end of the road wrote: »
    So they won't need aid from the US anymore then, good.

    Should the US also stop funding Hamas, just so as we're nice and consistent, yes?


    http://online.wsj.com/articles/why-should-americans-fund-hamas-1401913021


  • #3371
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    You know that won't happen. So, what's left? Just continue to not buy Israeli carrots?

    I guess the big question then, is why not? Do they have a pass? Some influence? What pray tell would be the reasoning behind not holding members of a regular army to account for war crimes? Are civilians legitimate targets now? Does that carry across all conflicts and all states? Is wrong the new right?


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  • #3372
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    greenflash wrote: »
    To be honest, no. I find the role you and others have taken on as self-appointed inquisitors of anyone who dares hold an opinion marginally differing to your own is sickening.


    If your "opinion" doesn't hold up to scrutiny, it doesn't say much for it.

    porsche959 wrote: »
    I'd say it's most unlikely.

    So the BBC are lying?
    porsche959 wrote: »
    The IDF is - relatively - accountable as an institution. Few armies are as accountable..

    That's bollocks I'm afraid
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91525813&postcount=1142


  • #3373
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    The ICC won't touch this with a barge pole for starters.
    I'd like to know, also, what you mean by international community


    Why not? They took on the case with regard to the Israeli wall.


  • #3374
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Oh, we can't ask questions now? Would you rather we just all trade insults, and get nowhere. Unlike you I'd like all the facts, plus a wide range of opinions, before I make my mind up
    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    Well if you don't feel you will get that here then I've posted many different resources regarding this topic and if you research online you can find out what you need to know. Wouldn't that be a better idea than wasting time here.If you like I can recommend some books and videos on the subject?

    Well you obviously felt there was some benefit in remaining here so with reference to recommending books I can provide you with links of contemporary Israeli historians? Would that be of interest?


  • #3375
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Happy to help, you were dragging it out a bit.


    Says the person who's been dragging it out for days. Claiming to be impartial, yet only snipes at and insults one side. Have you no idea how transparent and predictable you are?


  • #3376
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    BuXt1s2IAAAHV28.jpg:large


  • #3377
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    The ICC won't touch this with a barge pole for starters.
    I'd like to know, also, what you mean by international community

    Why won't the ICC touch this with a bargepole..why? can you be specific please. the UN human rights chief has stated Israel may be guilty of war crimes. does this person not speak on behalf of the international community. I think she does.


  • #3378
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Should the US also stop funding Hamas, just so as we're nice and consistent, yes?


    http://online.wsj.com/articles/why-should-americans-fund-hamas-1401913021

    Your link is useless. Its behind a paywall.


  • #3379
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why not? They took on the case with regard to the Israeli wall.

    Does The Hague have jurisdiction there


  • #3380
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Bring it on!

    Any trial of IDF members will show that terrorist safe houses, terrorist command centers, rocket launchers, rocket stores and depots were hit.

    The civilians deaths were caused by Hamas using their own people as human shields while firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

    It will be interesting how silent the Israel haters will be when the IDF are vindicated.

    Cop walks in on an armed robbery. Robber grabs a child and holds a gun to his head. Cop shoots child in head and then shoots robber. Cop is blameless?


  • #3381
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Does The Hague have jurisdiction there

    They can take the case and deliver a verdict. The problem is - as ever - enforcing it.


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  • #3382
    Awkward Badger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Awkward Badger


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Cop walks in on an armed robbery. Robber grabs a child and holds a gun to his head. Cop shoots child in head and then shoots robber. Cop is blameless?

    More like cop throws grenade, kills robber, child and several bystanders.


  • #3383
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    porsche959 wrote: »
    BuXt1s2IAAAHV28.jpg:large


    Such nonsense and please see here.....

    Thread title: Israel - Palestine Conflict.


  • #3384
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    porsche959 wrote: »
    BuXt1s2IAAAHV28.jpg:large

    Source? I can find three sites, two of which are the same "UN watch" establishment paying this picture with no context, and the third is an Israeli site, so you'll forgive me for looking for another source


  • #3385
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    Awkward Badger wrote: »
    More like cop throws grenade, kills robber, child and several bystanders.


    I'm going for - cop calls in a Apache gunship. Wipes out everything, including several buildings either side.


  • #3386
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    porsche959 wrote: »
    BuXt1s2IAAAHV28.jpg:large


    More whataboutery? I'm guessing you haven't even bothered reading the first post in this thread?

    A quote not from the UN but a group called UN Watch that attempt to portray the UN as having an "anti-israeli bias"



    Is this what you're reduced to? Thread derailment with whataboutery?


  • #3387
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    porsche959 wrote: »
    BuXt1s2IAAAHV28.jpg:large

    Nothing to do with the UN just another propagandist spouting sh1te


  • #3388
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    NotASheeple wrote: »
    I'm going for - cop calls in a Apache gunship. Wipes out everything, including several buildings either side.

    Plus everybody in the UN school.


  • #3389
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Plus everybody in the UN school.


    Accidentally shot, with one round through the head.


  • #3390
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    dav3 wrote: »
    More whataboutery? I'm guessing you haven't even bothered reading the first post in this thread?

    A quote not from the UN but a group called UN Watch that attempt to portray the UN as having an "anti-israeli bias"



    Is this what you're reduced to? Thread derailment with whataboutery?

    Do you not think there is a point in that statement though?? You call out others on their whataboutery but you cant accept some obvious hypocrisy when it's placed right in front of you??


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  • #3391
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    porsche959 wrote: »
    The IDF is - relatively - accountable as an institution. Few armies are as accountable.

    Israeli state also relatively good at bringing high level offenders to account in general. A former president is in prison.

    It's amusing that so many citizens of Ireland, a country that failed to bring the obviously and notoriously corrupt Haughey to justice, like to take the moral high ground regarding Israel.

    As for the news that Israel sterilised African immigrants, that is disgraceful, but I'm not entirely sure that a country that covered up institutional sex abuse scandals for decades is in a position to take moral high ground.

    The first bit is laugh out loud, the second is a stretch - so it's a case of "your country did some bad things, so you can't mention any other bad things you see, ever"? Feck off!


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