Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.

Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

1…105106108110111…174

Comments

  • #3212
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    porsche959 wrote: »
    You're quoting a notorious Jew hating website rense.org and your post gets a whole bunch of thanks just because it says something critical of Israel.

    Says it all really.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

    http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-palestinians-as-human-shields-1200-times/


  • #3213
    greenflash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭greenflash


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I think it's far more telling how the pro-Zionist people on this thread will actually applaud you for this (admitting not reading anything posted here).

    Without wanting to stoop as low as the semantic quibbling of the Inquisition, I'll just point out there is a huge difference between 'anything' and 'everything'.

    Kindly stop re-wording to make your own non-existent point.


  • #3214
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Vandango wrote: »
    Zionist are terrorists, they are terrorizing civilians. Jews are people who follow their faith and because they do that, then they're not Zionists. In fact they hate Zionists.

    An inconvenient fact for you to note is the vast majority of Jews around the world fully support state of Israel. I am aware of a faction within Judaism that does not but their numbers are relatively small.
    Vandango wrote: »
    I haven't seen any posters say that. I'd say a lot of posters here want to see the destruction of Zionism. Do you understand the difference?

    No Because there is none. Wanting the destruction of Zionism is the same thing as wanting the destruction of Israel. There is no difference.


  • #3215
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I think it's far more telling how the pro-Zionist people on this thread will actually applaud you for this (admitting not reading anything posted here).

    There are none so blind etc...


  • #3216
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    The facts he was quoting have been abundantly proven at this stage, whatever particular source he has linked to here.
    I presume you can't refute anything then since the best you've got is to attack the specific source instead of the widely acknowledged facts reproduced there?

    He's quoting a notorious Jew hating website. That doesn't trouble you? Guess not. Says it all really.


  • Advertisement
  • #3217
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    porsche959 wrote: »
    You're quoting a notorious Jew hating website rense.org and your post gets a whole bunch of thanks just because it says something critical of Israel.

    Says it all really.

    Which is why people can search for 'IDF human shield' for themselves and view the images as well. Including tying a 13 year old child to one of their jeeps.

    How about the BBC?
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm
    IDF to appeal human shield ban.The Israeli Defence Ministry will appeal against a supreme court ruling banning the use of Palestinian human shields in raids, officials said.

    Although I doubt you call them human shields. How about 'terrorist buffers'? or 'terrorist shields'?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail
    Brave idf troops defend themselves with children against the evil terrorists of the world.


  • #3218
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    porsche959 wrote: »
    You're quoting a notorious Jew hating website rense.org and your post gets a whole bunch of thanks just because it says something critical of Israel.

    Says it all really.

    Are you denying that Israel.uses Palestinian kids as human shields? Or that Israeli courts have deemed it illegal for the IDF to use Palestinian children as human shields?


  • #3219
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    greenflash wrote: »
    Without wanting to stoop as low as the semantic quibbling of the Inquisition, I'll just point out there is a huge difference between 'anything' and 'everything'.

    Kindly stop re-wording to make your own non-existent point.

    So what are you reading then?...


  • #3220
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    porsche959 wrote: »
    He's quoting a notorious Jew hating website. That doesn't trouble you? Guess not. Says it all really.
    You have failed miserably to refute any of the facts provided and don't care whether they're true or not.
    Says it all really.


  • #3221
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Are you denying that Israel.uses Palestinian kids as human shields? Or that Israeli courts have deemed it illegal for the IDF to use Palestinian children as human shields?

    I'd say it's most unlikely.


  • Advertisement
  • #3222
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Are you denying that Israel.uses Palestinian kids as human shields? Or that Israeli courts have deemed it illegal for the IDF to use Palestinian children as human shields?

    Here's a video to prove it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA7b2BNjnsg


  • #3223
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    porsche959 wrote: »
    I'd say it's most unlikely.
    And the Guardian pointed out:

    Israel, meanwhile, does not have an unblemished record in the use of human shields. In 2010, two soldiers were convicted in an IDF military court of using an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield in its 2008-09 operation in Gaza. The pair ordered the child to search bags they suspected of being booby-trapped.

    The links are up in reply to you.


  • #3224
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    porsche959 wrote: »
    I'd say it's most unlikely.

    What is?


  • #3225
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    porsche959 wrote: »
    He's quoting a notorious Jew hating website.

    Never heard of the website before today. I am sure you can point out why its is a Anti-Semitic website, as simply stating it is one, isn't helpful.


  • #3226
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    Why are other Muslim nations not helping to evacuate the real trouble hotspots? Genuine question. No abuse please.


  • #3227
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Are you denying that Israel.uses Palestinian kids as human shields? Or that Israeli courts have deemed it illegal for the IDF to use Palestinian children as human shields?

    Are you denying that the pro-Palestinian movement is awash with Jew hate, as seen in the attacks on synagogues across Europe and "death to Jews" slogans chanted at "pro-Gaza" marches?


  • #3228
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    greenflash wrote: »
    And where have I denied this or defended Israel's actions?
    Nobody is accusing you of defending Israel's actions.

    You made the point that if Hamas chose to fire from sparsely populated areas, there would be less civilian casualties in retaliatory fire. A perfectly valid and reasonable observation.

    The point that Drav is making is that Israel appear to fire onto heavily populated areas whether or not they've been fired upon from that area. UN shelters being the clearest example.

    So in fact it appears that it would make no odds if Hamas fired from unpopulated areas, Israel would continue to shell civilian populations.


  • #3229
    Warper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭Warper


    In September 1992, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin told a delegation from the Washington Institute for Near East Policy "I would like Gaza to sink into the sea"


  • #3230
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Why are other Muslim nations not helping to evacuate the real trouble hotspots? Genuine question. No abuse please.

    Combination of reasons. Some use the Gaza issue for propaganda reasons against the West, some genuinely don't support the Palestinian cause, others are US/Israelie allies, or at least their governments are, not necessarily the people.


  • #3231
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Warper wrote: »
    In September 1992, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin told a delegation from the Washington Institute for Near East Policy "I would like Gaza to sink into the sea"

    Ooops, looks like you forgot the rest of the quote which was, "but that won't happen, and a solution must be found.”

    You're welcome.


  • Advertisement
  • #3232
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Here's some more links

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html
    However, in 2005, the Israeli high court found that Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian civilians as human shields 1,200 times in the past 5 years.  As Ynet reported at the time:

    http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/israeli-forces-invade-azzun-and-use-palestinian-civilians-as-human-shields/
    Israeli forces have a long history of using Palestinian civilians as human shields. From the years 2000 to 2005, they admitted to using human shields more than1,200 times. This practice was banned by the Israeli Supreme Court in 2005, but human rights group


  • #3233
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Are you denying that the pro-Palestinian movement is awash with Jew hate, as seen in the attacks on synagogues across Europe and "death to Jews" slogans chanted at "pro-Gaza" marches?
    Ah, so we're on to a different point completely (whether true or not) for some reason.
    Care to explain why human shields isn't up for discussion anymore?


  • #3234
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Are you denying that the pro-Palestinian movement is awash with Jew hate, as seen in the attacks on synagogues across Europe and "death to Jews" slogans chanted at "pro-Gaza" marches?

    Ah, playing the 'Jew card' so early in the day. You're not doing yourself any favours. Especially without linking to these attacks "across Europe".


  • #3235
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Are you denying that the pro-Palestinian movement is awash with Jew hate, as seen in the attacks on synagogues across Europe and "death to Jews" slogans chanted at "pro-Gaza" marches?

    What has that got to.do with this thread? If you wish to talk about incidents of vandalism in Europe then start a thread about it.


  • #3236
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Are you denying that the pro-Palestinian movement is awash with Jew hate,

    I take it you can prove that.....
    porsche959 wrote: »
    as seen in the attacks on synagogues across Europe

    Similar attacks against Mosques happened after the murder of Lee Rigby. Unfortunately various type of people will use this sort of thing to attack people.
    porsche959 wrote: »
    and "death to Jews" slogans chanted at "pro-Gaza" marches?

    By everyone, at every march?

    **EDIT**
    Any chance of answering my question from earlier......


  • #3237
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    dav3 wrote: »
    Ah, playing the 'Jew card' so early in the day. You're not doing yourself any favours. Especially without linking to these attacks "across Europe".
    "Some people hate Jews therefore it doesn't matter that I was full of crap saying Hamas use human shields".
    Great argument dude!


  • #3238
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Why are other Muslim nations not helping to evacuate the real trouble hotspots? Genuine question. No abuse please.

    Genuine question, why bring religion into it?


  • #3239
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Why are other Muslim nations not helping to evacuate the real trouble hotspots? Genuine question. No abuse please.

    Nobody is abusing you stop tacitly implying such a thing .if you can't handle being challenged on a point you are making without whinging then perhaps debating isn't for you. why is the sky blue? because it is and it's completely irrelevant to the discussion just like your question.


  • #3240
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Combination of reasons. Some use the Gaza issue for propaganda reasons against the West, some genuinely don't support the Palestinian cause, others are US/Israelie allies, or at least their governments are, not necessarily the people.

    Iran for example are providing weapons but are they providing aid and refuge for the civilians?


  • Advertisement
  • #3241
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Iran for example are providing weapons but are they providing aid and refuge for the civilians?

    Israel has the people of Palestine on a forced diet, they also don't supply aid or refuge. Israel refuses to.allow aid into Gaza hence the ILLEGAL boarding of aid ships in international waters.


Advertisement