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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #3032
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    I don't believe that the IDF's tactics are indiscriminate,
    Bollix.


  • #3033
    comongethappy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    dav3 wrote: »
    Brilliant, love the hyperbole. Hannity would be proud.

    Meh..... Abuse all you want.

    Or spend a second to condemn the attack.

    Whichever makes you feel a bigger man!


  • #3034
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    32-35 have been found that came from Israel. Those were the ones used by Hamas militants during this war in their attempted attacks, which you're denying for some reason. And I never said "if all those tunnels are for"; but they are being used for weapon smuggling and attacks on Israel.
    Can you show me where I denied tunnels were being used to defend Gaza from Zionists?


  • #3035
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    dav3 wrote: »
    Still the pro-Israeli posters try to derail threads and deflect attention away from the war crimes being committed by Israel.

    We've seen it all before. What page are you on now lads?

    http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fmedia%2F70%2Ftip_report.pdf&date=2009-08-06

    Hamas are bad, let's move on.

    Let's talk about the genocide and war crimes being committed by Israel and the psychopathic savages in charge of the country and how we can stop them.

    It barely fills a page. Besides the information is being put out there anyway and so these exchanges don't derail anything as such. They do provide an insight into the nature of people who you might not choose to associate with in real life and that's important too.


  • #3036
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Whoops what?
    Thanks to decades of Zionist land grabs, Gaza is so densely populated that pretty much everything there is close to a house.

    That was a response to end of the road, go back a few pages if you need the context.

    It's not all about you, Dan. Relax buddy. :pac:


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  • #3037
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    What's the forum verdict, Who won this one then, Hamas or Israel ?


  • #3038
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    That was a response to end of the road, go back a few pages if you need the context.

    It's not all about you, Dan. Relax buddy. :pac:

    If you'd be good enough to get back to me

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91593715&postcount=3030


  • #3039
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    32-35 have been found that came from Israel. Those were the ones used by Hamas militants during this war in their attempted attacks, which you're denying for some reason. And I never said "if all those tunnels are for"; but they are being used for weapon smuggling and attacks on Israel.

    What if they are? I don't condone targeting civilians (which I don't believe they do), but I can see why a Palestinian would join Hamas. They're being oppressed in their own country, and their countrymen are being murdered


  • #3040
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Nodin wrote: »
    Do you accept that on occasion they deliberately target civillians and are less than worried about the consequences of the use of heavy weapons in built up areas?

    You answer my question first, since I asked first. Then I'll certainly answer:

    Hamas's tactics, however, are 100% indiscriminate. Their only intention is to kill civilians with their rockets. Do you deny that? Please answer with a reply from today at least.


  • #3041
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Kertrada wrote: »
    100m from a UN building overlooking the launch pad. The camera also filmed kids running around playing with the launch tubes. What a farce.

    What name will you have tomorrow?

    The fact that you're also obsessed with a thread called "Cheapskategate aka How Not To Host Your Wedding" is a bit of a giveaway. Come on, at least make a effort next week.

    Can we talk about Israeli savagery and genocide during this illegal conflict?


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  • #3042
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    dav3 wrote: »
    What name will you have tomorrow?

    The fact that you're also obsessed with a thread called "Cheapskategate aka How Not To Host Your Wedding" is a bit of a giveaway. Come on, at least make a effort next week.

    Can we talk about Israeli savagery and genocide during this illegal conflict?

    I thought my post might be too on the money for some. Hmmmm. Intresting reaction.


  • #3043
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/08/03/israeli-army-whistle-blower-leaks-account-of-revenge-attacks-against-civilians-by-israeli-troops-in-gazas-shujaiyya/

    Former combat soldier and company sergeant of the Israeli army turned whistle-blower Eran Efrati, aged 28, was arrested by the Israeli authorities and questioned concerning his research regarding the use of illegal weapons in Gaza


    "Today I can report that the official command that was handed down to the soldiers in Shujaiyya was to capture Palestinian homes as outposts. From these posts, the soldiers drew an imaginary red line, and amongst themselves decided to shoot to death anyone who crosses it. Anyone crossing the line was defined as a threat to their outposts, and was thus deemed a legitimate target. "


  • #3044
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    You answer my question first, since I asked first. Then I'll certainly answer:

    Hamas's tactics, however, are 100% indiscriminate. Their only intention is to kill civilians with their rockets. Do you deny that? Please answer with a reply from today at least.


    As they've taken on the IDF directly, launched raids against same etc and caused casualties, this is demonstratably not the case. Their rockets are indiscriminate, in that they are unguided.

    Now...if you would -


  • #3045
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Kertrada wrote: »
    100m from a UN building overlooking the launch pad. The camera also filmed kids running around playing with the launch tubes. What a farce.
    I don't see what the UN building has to do with anything. Do you think the UN should be disarming Gaza's defenders?


  • #3046
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Can you show me where I denied tunnels were being used to defend Gaza from Zionists?

    Defending Gaza by popping out of the ground in Israel? At least we can agree that they were used for attacks. I was thinking that you were saying they're only used for supplies.


  • #3047
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I don't see what the UN building has to do with anything. Do you think the UN should be disarming Gaza's defenders?

    Tis the best place to launch rockets from all right and then allow kids to play with the launch tubes afterwards.


  • #3048
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    That was a response to end of the road, go back a few pages if you need the context.

    It's not all about you, Dan. Relax buddy. :pac:
    No need to get your knickers in a twist. Perhaps a lie down or something would help?


  • #3049
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,608 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    comongethappy wrote: »
    Meh..... Abuse all you want.

    Or spend a second to condemn the attack.

    Whichever makes you feel a bigger man!

    Why would anyone condemn any group like Hamas for fighting back against injustice?
    Fair play to them. They are heavily outnumbered and out-gunned but they are still there representing and standing up for their people against the might and murder of the out of control IDF who remind me of the murderous Black & Tans.

    Anyone who expects them to lie down and take any s*** thrown at them as well as the blockades is plain stupid.

    Fair play Hamas.


  • #3050
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Kertrada wrote: »
    What's the forum verdict, Who won this one then, Hamas or Israel ?

    What has Hamas 'won'? International sympathy and probably extra funding from the Arabian Gulf, sure. But they've wasted millions on rockets that did nothing and tunnels that have now been destroyed.


  • #3051
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    What has Hamas 'won'? International sympathy and probably extra funding from the Arabian Gulf, sure. But they've wasted millions on rockets that did nothing and tunnels that have now been destroyed.

    I don't know, that's why I'm asking
    Who won this round ? Israel ?


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  • #3052
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Defending Gaza by popping out of the ground in Israel? At least we can agree that they were used for attacks. I was thinking that you were saying they're only used for supplies.
    Yes, you defend Gaza by killing the people who are attempting to invade and steal your country. I thought you might have grasped that bit about attacking invaders to stop them?
    I accept your apology for completely misreading my posts.


  • #3053
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,605 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    comongethappy wrote: »
    http://youtu.be/r_KOOitlXuY

    Courtesy of your noble friends at HAMAS.

    A more focused and accurate assault than we've seen from Israel so far.. with far less 'collateral' damage

    Are military targets not legitimate ones only when it comes to Hamas?

    All part of a just war when Israel does it

    Terrorism when the others do it :rolleyes:


  • #3054
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Kertrada wrote: »
    Tis the best place to launch rockets from all right and then allow kids to play with the launch tubes afterwards.

    Best to let them play with the missiles and write messages of hatred on them

    http://static.flickr.com/72/192642682_2fea4cce66_o_d.jpg


  • #3055
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    What has Hamas 'won'? International sympathy and probably extra funding from the Arabian Gulf, sure. But they've wasted millions on rockets that did nothing and tunnels that have now been destroyed.
    They "won" in that they have in some small way slowed down the latest round of Zionist land grabbing.
    I assume they still have the shovels?


  • #3056
    comongethappy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Fair play Hamas.

    Which is a perfectly valid opinion to have.

    Once people are as honest & up front about supporting islamist groups I have no issue, (other than being against it myself),


  • #3057
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    My name is URL wrote: »
    A more focused and accurate assault than we've seen from Israel so far.. with far less 'collateral' damage

    Are military targets not legitimate ones only when it comes to Hamas?

    All part of a just war when Israel does it

    Terrorism when the others do it :rolleyes:
    Funny how after all the shoite we hear about "Hamas targeting civilians" and "Hamas terrorists" we have a Zionist apologist linking to a perfectly executed attack on an enemy military outpost.
    Gee, I thought those crazed terrorist savages would go for a school or hospital instead of an IDF watchtower!


  • #3058
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Nodin wrote: »
    As they've taken on the IDF directly, launched raids against same etc and caused casualties, this is demonstratably not the case. Their rockets are indiscriminate, in that they are unguided.

    Now...if you would -

    As promised. And don't just read the first paragraph!

    I do not believe that Israel's tactics are indiscriminate. I don't believe, for example, that an IDF higher-up is suddenly going to order the bombing of a school. Israel knows that it has to - as much as possible - conform to a higher standard than most armies when it comes to ensuring that civilian numbers don't explode. For example, the 'knock on the door' mortars aren't done by any other army because they immediately give away any tactical advantage, but they save lives.

    I do believe, however, that are probably some real crazy Zionist pr*cks in the IDF who - like Palestinians on the other side - hate their enemy and would like to take actions into their own hands. This, of course, is absolutely inexcusable. Has there been incidents which I think appear to have been discriminate decisions? Well I still don't understand why that horrendous beach killing occurred and whoever was responsible should be jailed for life.

    So to recap, I don't believe that the IDF is sanctioning indiscriminate killing of civilians. As I said before, they have the capability to wipe Gaza out in an afternoon if they wanted to. Similarly, I believe that Hamas's tactics are discriminate and if they had the capability of Israel, they wouldn't blink in wiping out their enemy.


  • #3059
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Kertrada wrote: »
    Tis the best place to launch rockets from all right and then allow kids to play with the launch tubes afterwards.

    Indeed. Them dangerous launch tubes. The ones that attract Hellfire missiles, the proper sort, not Hamas's pretendey ones. Anyone see the pic of the tank returning to Israel in the Star(a rag) today? Anyone cop the crazed looking IDF headcases manning the tank? Fcuk me, they looked like the stuff nightmares are made of.


  • #3060
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    No need to get your knickers in a twist. Perhaps a lie down or something would help?

    Just pay attention Dan, we're all counting on you.


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  • #3061
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Indeed. Them dangerous launch tubes. The ones that attract Hellfire missiles, the proper sort, not Hamas's pretendey ones. Anyone see the pic of the tank returning to Israel in the Star(a rag) today? Anyone cop the crazed looking IDF headcases manning the tank? Fcuk me, they looked like the stuff nightmares are made of.

    To me, one bunch of murdering crazies is much the same as another.


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