Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

Gringo180 · 03-08-2014 09:31PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Did they not complain a little when it was happening to them ? Are these people delusional to think they can do anything they want "Because holocaust".

There going too far this time there is no way there going to get away with this sort of rhetoric. Even the British foreign minister has spoken out this evening about the slaughter in Gaza. I think the world will finally wake up and see who the real terrorists are.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 09:38PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Really?

Language is flexible, I don't think Wordsworth was talking about homosexuals when he used the word 'gay' in the poem 'The daffodils'.

I think our and Wordsworth's use of the word "gay" is separated by more than an election result.
I can see now why you bailed on this thread the first time. All these big (two, even three syllables!) words must be very confusing for you.

Little CuChulainn · 03-08-2014 09:39PM

I'm amazed at the number of same day accounts that pop up here and post solely in this thread before disappearing. It's pretty clear they are shills. The word play they use to derail the thread and justify murder is pathetic and sickening. The faux outrage when they can twist someones word into making it look like they support the murder of Israelis is equally pathetic.

Where they are really going wrong is a lack of knowledge of their audience. Up until 100 years ago we were Palestine. We have experienced military action against civilians. Was bloody Sunday justified because of the actions of the IRA? Would England have been justified in shelling republican housing estates after canary wharf? I doubt there is an Irishman that would accept that. But this is exactly what the Israeli propaganda is trying to justify. HAMAS is a terrorist organisation. And inevitable result of oppression, no different to the IRA. They should be stopped, but not at the price of so many innocent people, so many children. It's completely unjustifiable.

Nate--IRL-- · 03-08-2014 09:39PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Really?

Language is flexible, I don't think Wordsworth was talking about homosexuals when he used the word 'gay' in the poem 'The daffodils'.

Still doesn't change the meaning of the word "Seize".

Again, is English your first language?

Nate

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 09:41PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

There going too far this time there is no way there going to get away with this sort of rhetoric. Even the British foreign minister has spoken out this evening about the slaughter in Gaza. I think the world will finally wake up and see who the real terrorists are.

The same people who voted to invade Iraq, helped get rid of Gaddafi and now had to send a warship to Libya to get its citizens out, supported the opposition in Syria which included terrorists, one could go on.
The hypocrisy from Britain...got involved in lots of conflicts and wars where countless numbers of people died.

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 09:46PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I think our and Wordsworth's use of the word "gay" is separated by more than an election result.
I can see now why you bailed on this thread the first time. All these big (two, even three syllables!) words must be very confusing for you.

You know well it was when someone said there was a k missing in my name.

All this work over one word yet you had no problem thanking a post that suggested I supported hate crime and murder which the kkk were involved in, simply because my opinion didn't suit. It was attack the poster by the person who posted that.

Nodin · 03-08-2014 09:48PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The same people who voted to invade Iraq,
.

There was a public vote on Iraq?

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 09:49PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

There going too far this time there is no way there going to get away with this sort of rhetoric. Even the British foreign minister has spoken out this evening about the slaughter in Gaza. I think the world will finally wake up and see who the real terrorists are.

This time ?
They've been murdering and slaughtering each other in that whole region ever since the British caused the whole mess before running off in 1948. It's nothing new.

A Dub in Glasgo · 03-08-2014 09:50PM

carpejugulum wrote: »

If they wanted to kill civilians, there would have been 100 times more dead.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

We need a bigger rolleyes for posts like the one posted by carpejugulum

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 09:50PM

Nodin wrote: »

There was a public vote on Iraq?

The British parliament voted to invade Iraq. Some politicians had sense, the majority didn't including the Tories.

Little CuChulainn · 03-08-2014 09:51PM

shewasdiesel wrote: »

They've been murdering each other in that region ever since the British caused the whole mess before running off in 1948. It's nothing new.

You think that makes it ok?

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 09:54PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You think that makes it ok?

Mystic Meg the mind-reader has arrived . . . guess again Meg

user2011 · 03-08-2014 09:54PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The British parliament voted to invade Iraq. Some politicians had sense, the majority didn't including the Tories.

It was seized from them :rolleyes:

You willing to take back your use of the word?

RustyNut · 03-08-2014 09:54PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Seize = capture, take...

Of course if one wins a general election and they seize power.

I would have taught that if you win an election you are given power by the electorate.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 09:54PM

RobertKK wrote: »

You know well it was when someone said there was a k missing in my name.

All this work over one word yet you had no problem thanking a post that suggested I supported hate crime and murder which the kkk were involved in, simply because my opinion didn't suit. It was attack the poster by the person who posted that.

You've already posted here stating that Israel will be returned to Jews because God said so.
As a Christian I assume you support what God says and does?

SeaBreezes · 03-08-2014 09:55PM

shewasdiesel wrote: »

This time ?
They've been murdering and slaughtering each other in that whole region ever since the British caused the whole mess before running off in 1948. It's nothing new.

Agreed. Its nothing new. But that does not mean we should accept the deliberate genocide of a race of people who had the misfortune to have been born on, and farmed land a group of religious fanatics want.

Look at it another way. When nazi germany was hell bent on exterminating people of jewish descent, that was nothing new in those times either. Doesnt make it right. And I really dont want to be one of those people who said (then) we never knew. Or looked the other way.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 09:56PM

RustyNut wrote: »

I would have taught that if you win an election you are given power by the electorate.

Or perhaps you seize it from the president in the case of Ireland? Don't think Michael D could take that much excitement at his age...

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 09:56PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You've already posted here stating that Israel will be returned to Jews because God said so.
As a Christian I assume you support what God says and does?

It is humans that do things via free will given by God.

I only saw your post about the PM sent you the other day.
Did you find it offensive?

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 10:00PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Agreed. Its nothing new. But that does not mean we should accept the deliberate genocide of a race of people who had the misfortune to have been born on, and farmed land a group of religious fanatics want.

Look at it another way. When nazi germany was hell bent on exterminating people of jewish descent, that was nothing new in those times either. Doesnt make it right. And I really dont want to be one of those people who said (then) we never knew. Or looked the other way.

No one is claiming that, but there are several intertwined proxy wars also being fought. Human beings pitting human being against human being against human being in order to manipulate and control. The powers at be don't give a shyte what ordinary civilians in the world think. They'll tell you what to think. As for fanatics, Hamas are fanatics, the Zionists are fanatics. Their political allies and supporters are also fanatics. The arms suppliers are fanatics. You don't have to be religious to be a fanatic, and the ones that are, in reality, don't give a shyte about their religion.

Little CuChulainn · 03-08-2014 10:03PM

shewasdiesel wrote: »

Mystic Meg the mind-reader has arrived . . . guess again Meg

That's the best you can do? How bout instead of me guessing you try and make an actual point? Run it by the embassy boss there and see if you're allowed.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 10:05PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is humans that do things via free will given by God.

I only saw your post about the PM sent you the other day.
Did you find it offensive?

I didn't actually, not that I'm really the take offense type.
It was a bit bonkers though, which was more what I was expecting.

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 10:06PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

That's the best you can do? How bout instead of me guessing you try and make an actual point? Run it by the embassy boss there and see if you're allowed.

Guess again mystic meg . . .

Little CuChulainn · 03-08-2014 10:07PM

shewasdiesel wrote: »

Guess again mystic meg . . .

Do you know how a discussion works?

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 10:08PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is humans that do things via free will given by God.

I only saw your post about the PM sent you the other day.
Did you find it offensive?

Also, I'm sorry but I'm not sure if it's even possible to have a conversation with you if you insist on redefining words on the fly. We may as well be speaking different languages.

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 10:08PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Do you know how a discussion works?

Yes, but you'd rather make up guesses.

user2011 · 03-08-2014 10:08PM

Someone posted a link to a website last night that was hacked with this song being played here's the video.

Little CuChulainn · 03-08-2014 10:09PM

shewasdiesel wrote: »

Yes, but you'd rather make up guesses.

Like I said, I wouldn't have to guess if you'd make an actual relevant point.

RustyNut · 03-08-2014 10:10PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is humans that do things via free will given by God.

I only saw your post about the PM sent you the other day.
Did you find it offensive?

Which god?

niamh.foley · 03-08-2014 10:13PM

We need to remember the irish plantation when the English took Irish land to allow English lords to settle here, made the Irish second class citizens in there own land arrest people with out charge, restricted food,
with out dropping a bomb like Israel is doing in gaza they still managed to kill millions of people by doing nothing in the great famine...

I feel for the people of gaza the Jewish citizens were not wanted in Europe so once again England took it on them selfs to pop the Jewish people into the Middle East to create what is now called Israel, and within less then 3 years with the help of the US moved into Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and still hold the West Bank.

How would you feel if 40 million dollars worth of bombs we're being dropped into an area, less the size of Dublin by a country who has no right in the land controlling the energy, water and food supply going in.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 10:15PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is humans that do things via free will given by God.

Then how does God know that the Jews will reclaim Israel? What if they all use their free will and decide to stop bombing sleeping babies?
Doesn't sound very free if God made you and knows exactly what you're going to do, does it?

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