A right wing Journal.ie

Robroy36 · 03-08-2014 06:20PM #1

Does Ireland need a right wing Journal.ie?

I scan the Journal pretty much every day, usually 2-3 times a day for the latest Irish news, it is pretty good for that type of thing. The round up stories at 9, 1 and 6 are usually worth a look if I haven't been listening to radio etc during the day.

Unfortunately "pretty good" is not how I would describe the editorials or the overall tone of the site, which is jaringly leftist.This week they were extolling the virtues of social welfare. They are constantly pumping out the cultural Marxism and seem to have some sort of link with the Labour party, often getting "exclusives" with their pathetic politicians.

I have found myself wondering is there a section of Irish society that would like to see a more right wing view of things. A Peter Hitchens or John Waters type of view point, more Telegraph than Guardian?

Shakespeare's Sister · 03-08-2014 06:21PM

The rabidly right-wing comments on TheJournal.ie balance things out.

John Waters isn't just a right-wing commentator - he's a sh-tstirrer. Most right-wing opinion columnists seem to be. A right-leaning opinion columnist with a moderate take would be quite refreshing.

comongethappy · 03-08-2014 06:26PM

TheJournal is where reason goes to die.

Its neither left or right.

Just unmoderated click-bait.

Nodin · 03-08-2014 06:28PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

Does Ireland need a right wing Journal.ie?

I scan the Journal pretty much every day, usually 2-3 times a day for the latest Irish news, it is pretty good for that type of thing. The round up stories at 9, 1 and 6 are usually worth a look if I haven't been listening to radio etc during the day.

Unfortunately "pretty good" is not how I would describe the editorials or the overall tone of the site, which is jaringly leftist.This week they were extolling the virtues of social welfare. They are constantly pumping out the cultural Marxism and seem to have some sort of link with the Labour party, often getting "exclusives" with their pathetic politicians.

I have found myself wondering is there a section of Irish society that would like to see a more right wing view of things. A Peter Hitchens or John Waters type of view point, more Telegraph than Guardian?

Not sure where ye'd get Peter Hitchens point of view. John Waters point of view can be followed by sticking ones head up ones ass. This gives Waters Vision.

Westernyelp · 03-08-2014 06:30PM

You should click on their 17 reasons why Ireland needs a right wing Journal.ie 'Story'

Hotfail.com · 03-08-2014 06:35PM

The right wing Journal.ie is the comments section.

DeadHand · 03-08-2014 06:41PM

The Irish don't really "do" right wing. Identical centerist parties dominated the scene up until recently. We have the left, far left and leftovers. Tons of kleptocrats/career politicians, local issue campaigners and dynasty warriors who would struggle to explain the difference between the left and right wings. Or, indeed, Einstein and Darwin (Mary).

Right wing opinions, while widespread, are expressed mostly behind closed doors or under the cloak of anomnity. Public right leaning figures like Waters, Quinn or Myers get showered with the type of unthinking, hateful bile that a left leaning or neutral commentator would never need to endure. (Not defending that trinity, I dislike at least one and revere none but the point still stands).

So... yeah... What was the question? Oh yeah, right wing journal, sure, it would have an adequate following anyway. Is the Journal.ie all that left leaning anyway?

comongethappy · 03-08-2014 06:42PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

The right wing Journal.ie is the comments section.

Meh..... I'd see it as the opposite.

It seems pretty shinner-dominate these days, way more so than here.

Hotfail.com · 03-08-2014 06:44PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Is the Journal.ie all that left leaning anyway?

TheJournal is worse than a tabloid, it's mainly a pile of nonsense that they write. Wouldn't even give it a label tbh.

For Forks Sake · 03-08-2014 06:45PM

comongethappy wrote: »

Men.... I'd see it as the opposite.

It seems pretty shinner-dominate these days, way more so than here.

Yep, the content and the commentators are somewhere between An Phoblacht and Indymedia *shudders*

Taco Chips · 03-08-2014 06:46PM

John Waters is a pothole and a cretin who shouldn't be let near any sort of media platform. I can't see how having another journalist like him would be a positive. The problem with the type of right leaning journalists in Irish media is that they are all inevitably cranky older males whose only tone is condescending, or Breda O'Brien who should be locked up. The standard is very poor.

porsche959 · 03-08-2014 06:51PM

Mark Humphrys is a good right of centre Irish blogger I discovered recently, though a bit neocon for my tastes.

He does not allow comments on his blog, for understandable reasons.

http://markhumphrys.com/

Sully · 03-08-2014 06:51PM

If you think the comments section is right wing than you're either completely blind or pretending. The comments is vastly left-based, mostly Sinn Fein, but not exclusive. Same faces, same names constantly re-appearing and they all appear to know each other and call each other out or claim its user X is now under name user Y.

It's well known in political circles that Sinn Fein are great at getting their supporters online pretending to be general run of the mill folk with no political ties but they feel Sinn Fein would do wonders for the world. The rest of the parties are useless at it.

Bongalongherb · 03-08-2014 06:53PM

It's either the mail or the mirror/herald or some other news publisher. I have never seen one person on boards not complaining about one or the other, you people are never happy no matter what news publishing site is viewed.

The Journal.ie is in my opinion the best Irish news site going. All the complaining jezz would put years on ye.

Awkward Badger · 03-08-2014 06:55PM

I didn't think thejournal had a tone as its not a real news site as such. Its just a decently formatted news twitter feed. The only thing I see made by staff is daily edge crap about 5 ways you know you're Irish.

The funny thing is that the comment section is no worse than AH. Its looked down on from here and Reddit looks down on boards but all online commentary is pretty much on the same level. Mostly horseshít spouted by idiots.

Nodin · 03-08-2014 07:00PM

porsche959 wrote: »

Mark Humphrys is a good right of centre ........./

Right of the centre only if you move the centre a lot more to the right.

comongethappy · 03-08-2014 07:03PM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

The funny thing is that the comment section is no worse than AH. Its looked down on from here and Reddit looks down on boards but all online commentary is pretty much on the same level. Mostly horseshít spouted by idiots.

Comnent moderation raises the bar here though.

Its a free for all on theJournal, which I suppose is what they prefer.

steddyeddy · 03-08-2014 07:03PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

Does Ireland need a right wing Journal.ie?

I scan the Journal pretty much every day, usually 2-3 times a day for the latest Irish news, it is pretty good for that type of thing. The round up stories at 9, 1 and 6 are usually worth a look if I haven't been listening to radio etc during the day.

Unfortunately "pretty good" is not how I would describe the editorials or the overall tone of the site, which is jaringly leftist.This week they were extolling the virtues of social welfare. They are constantly pumping out the cultural Marxism and seem to have some sort of link with the Labour party, often getting "exclusives" with their pathetic politicians.

I have found myself wondering is there a section of Irish society that would like to see a more right wing view of things. A Peter Hitchens or John Waters type of view point, more Telegraph than Guardian?

Define left and right?

Shakespeare's Sister · 03-08-2014 07:03PM

Sully wrote: »

If you think the comments section is right wing than you're either completely blind or pretending. The comments is vastly left-based, mostly Sinn Fein, but not exclusive. Same faces, same names constantly re-appearing and they all appear to know each other and call each other out or claim its user X is now under name user Y.

It's well known in political circles that Sinn Fein are great at getting their supporters online pretending to be general run of the mill folk with no political ties but they feel Sinn Fein would do wonders for the world. The rest of the parties are useless at it.

From what I see it's both rabidly right-wing and rabidly left-wing comments. Hardly any balance, just extreme view after extreme view. Sometimes both converge. E.g. the "Why should I have to pay?" stuff - both "wings" are advocates of this. And kneejerk/reactionary is kneejerk/reactionary, no matter where it's coming from.

Awkward Badger wrote: »

The funny thing is that the comment section is no worse than AH. Its looked down on from here and Reddit looks down on boards but all online commentary is pretty much on the same level. Mostly horseshít spouted by idiots.

I don't agree. Obviously Boards does have that element for sure, but there are a lot of intelligent, thoughtful people here balancing things out too, which TheJournal, BreakingNews.ie, Politics.ie et al don't have.

Annasopra · 03-08-2014 07:05PM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

The funny thing is that the comment section is no worse than AH.

It is - Much worse

Mosby61 · 03-08-2014 07:06PM

Sully wrote: »

If you think the comments section is right wing than you're either completely blind or pretending. The comments is vastly left-based, mostly Sinn Fein, but not exclusive. Same faces, same names constantly re-appearing and they all appear to know each other and call each other out or claim its user X is now under name user Y.

It's well known in political circles that Sinn Fein are great at getting their supporters online pretending to be general run of the mill folk with no political ties but they feel Sinn Fein would do wonders for the world. The rest of the parties are useless at it.

Indeed. Propaganda is important in those circles.

Hotfail.com · 03-08-2014 07:07PM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

I didn't think thejournal had a tone as its not a real news site as such. Its just a decently formatted news twitter feed. The only thing I see made by staff is daily edge crap about 5 ways you know you're Irish.

The funny thing is that the comment section is no worse than AH. Its looked down on from here and Reddit looks down on boards but all online commentary is pretty much on the same level. Mostly horseshít spouted by idiots.

At least here most of us don't think any of our suggestions are actually a good idea.... I hope.. :pac:

Awkward Badger · 03-08-2014 07:08PM

comongethappy wrote: »

Comnent moderation raises the bar here though.

Its a free for all on theJournal, which I suppose is what they prefer.

It does in other parts of the site but the moderation is pretty light in AH so its pretty similar to thejournal from what I see.

No offence meant by that its just when you get a lot of people eager to give their opinion on whatever is happening just to give their opinion on whatever is happening what results is mostly drivel and nonsense.

Boards, Reddit, thejournal, twitter, facebook, youtube, any news site its all generally the same.

Awkward Badger · 03-08-2014 07:10PM

Magaggie wrote: »

I don't agree. Obviously Boards does have that element for sure, but there are a lot of intelligent, thoughtful people here balancing things out too, which TheJournal, BreakingNews.ie, Politics.ie et al don't have.

Boards in general yes. AH by itself, not really.

For Forks Sake · 03-08-2014 07:12PM

Sully wrote: »

If you think the comments section is right wing than you're either completely blind or pretending. The comments is vastly left-based, mostly Sinn Fein, but not exclusive. Same faces, same names constantly re-appearing and they all appear to know each other and call each other out or claim its user X is now under name user Y.

It's well known in political circles that Sinn Fein are great at getting their supporters online pretending to be general run of the mill folk with no political ties but they feel Sinn Fein would do wonders for the world. The rest of the parties are useless at it.

Ah yes, "I've never voted SF before, but......"

LuckyLloyd · 03-08-2014 07:14PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

Unfortunately "pretty good" is not how I would describe the editorials or the overall tone of the site, which is jaringly leftist.This week they were extolling the virtues of social welfare. They are constantly pumping out the cultural Marxism

Are the ESRI 'jarringly leftist' iyo? Because it was their report. The article doesn't have much if any editorial comment. You basically picked about as terrible an example as you could have to support your assertion.

daveohdave · 03-08-2014 07:16PM

Robroy36 wrote: »

I scan the Journal pretty much every day, usually 2-3 times a day for the latest Irish news, it is pretty good for that type of thing.

If by "that type of thing" you mean "credulous lowest common denominator guff aimed at Star readers", then it really is.

Electronic toilet paper is what it is.

porsche959 · 03-08-2014 07:17PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Are the ESRI 'jarringly leftist' iyo? Because it was their report. The article doesn't have much if any editorial comment. You basically picked about as terrible an example as you could have to support your assertion.

The ESRI are indeed leftist.

03-08-2014 07:18PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

It's either the mail or the mirror/herald or some other news publisher. I have never seen one person on boards not complaining about one or the other, you people are never happy no matter what news publishing site is viewed.

The Journal.ie is in my opinion the best Irish news site going. All the complaining jezz would put years on ye.

I would largely agree with that. I actually think The Journal is a decent news site, it's nowhere near as trashy as any of the tabloids (or even the Indo tbh) and I usually get a few good laughs from the Daily Edge section of it. Yeah, the comments section can occasionally be full of complete tools but you see similar comments on the Facebook page of any news site.

Awkward Badger · 03-08-2014 07:20PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It is - Much worse

I'm sure it seems that way to a frequent users of AH who enjoys using it rather than the others. I'm sure politics.ie users will see it different as will thejournal commentators.

But wherever you go online, thejournal comments, politics.ie, facebook and AH on boards are always mentioned as the bottom rung of online Irish discussion.

I've used and frequented them all and while boards as a whole has imo much much more to offer in terms of Irish discussion than anything else AH as a forum in its own right is little different than any other online outlet for public opinion.

Vandango · 03-08-2014 07:22PM

Sully wrote: »

It's well known in political circles that Sinn Fein are great at getting their supporters online pretending to be general run of the mill folk with no political ties but they feel Sinn Fein would do wonders for the world. The rest of the parties are useless at it.

Crap, I think I should have been wearing my tin foil hat while reading that.

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