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Working in agriculture- Born into it or a grown interest

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  • #32
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,646 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    whelan2 wrote: »
    have said it many times, its hard enough to get good workers as it is what will it be like in the future?

    True but the opposite is happening too. The fella that the BIL works for refuses to get more help for him. So he's gone from a huge interest in cattle to planning to be in a different job in a few years


  • #33
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Posts moved from Beef general thread-

    If you would like other poll options, please comment to this. Or if you have an easier/more suitable title.

    Slightly busy so only half thought about the current one.


  • #34
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    Reggie. wrote: »
    True but the opposite is happening too. The fella that the BIL works for refuses to get more help for him. So he's gone from a huge interest in cattle to planning to be in a different job in a few years
    'pay peanuts and you get monkeys'
    always say that here


  • #35
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    How will are young farmers going to go about getting into farming? They don't want to be working for someone all there lives


  • #36
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,131 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    rangler1 wrote: »
    'pay peanuts and you get monkeys'
    always say that here
    the people are not there to do the work, i put an ad in the journal around this time last year, i had to turn my phone off, between electricians, plumbers,etc. I gave up. Yes i was going to give the right person a good package, in future i will get someone through the frs or an agency as my head was wrecked trying to deal with the calls/time wasters. Maybe i was unlucky but i will never advertise a job in the journal again.


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  • #37
    Roundbale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Roundbale


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Trade secret :)

    If only we could all retire at 40! Some scam :-)


  • #38
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,131 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    How will are young farmers going to go about getting into farming? They don't want to be working for someone all there lives
    they have to start somewhere, the whole system is wrong , just look at the work placements from ag colleges, no one can get into the system , same farmers in it for years


  • #39
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    whelan2 wrote: »
    they have to start somewhere, the whole system is wrong , just look at the work placements from ag colleges, no one can get into the system , same farmers in it for years

    Very true. Numerous of the ppl I was in Kildalton with were very unhappy with there placement. Maybe the student should get to choose someone in his area or a farmer he knows to work for?


  • #40
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,646 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Roundbale wrote: »
    If only we could all retire at 40! Some scam :-)

    Jaysus 40 is old to be retiring :D


  • #41
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    How will are young farmers going to go about getting into farming? They don't want to be working for someone all there lives

    It wouldn't be the end of the world not to be self employed or own your own farm .
    If you were on the right farm , allowed work off your own initiative and be involved in decision making I'd say it could be a very enjoyable area to work in without the stress of actually being self employed . If there was full time work on a farm near me and the money was decent I would much prefer it over working on the buildings .

    I know its not easy to start out farming without land but it can be done nonetheless , just might take a bit of time. Partnerships , or share farming would be a good way forward . Or even starting out renting what you can afford and building up stock .
    That maybe a good use for suckler cows in building up numbers . If you started out with ten suck calves on a few acres and reared them for the bull while adding a few heifer calves every year until you had calves born yourself for selling .
    They could be kept reasonably cheap on rough grazing all the while raising numbers as equity and proving to the bank that you can make it work .
    If you had 40/50 cattle for selling and the right farm came up for rent the bank should be able to finance some of what you need to get going at a small dairy by that stage .


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  • #42
    agriman27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭agriman27


    The lack of retirement incentives for older farmers is a big stumbling block for the next generation of farmers. The fact that farmers become almost tax exempt after they get the pension is an incentive for them to hang on for even longer. A lot of my friends in there twenties and thirties are mad to leave and get off farm work because they are fed up taking orders from their fathers and the have no say. Then when they do finally get the regins the farm is run down and the young men find it difficult without the steady wage


  • #43
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭mf240


    rangler1 wrote: »
    'pay peanuts and you get monkeys'
    always say that here

    Monkeys wont even work for peanuts around here, too busy on the dole.


  • #44
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,646 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    agriman27 wrote: »
    The lack of retirement incentives for older farmers is a big stumbling block for the next generation of farmers. The fact that farmers become almost tax exempt after they get the pension is an incentive for them to hang on for even longer. A lot of my friends in there twenties and thirties are mad to leave and get off farm work because they are fed up taking orders from their fathers and the have no say. Then when they do finally get the regins the farm is run down and the young men find it difficult without the steady wage

    Exactly


  • #45
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    agriman27 wrote: »
    The lack of retirement incentives for older farmers is a big stumbling block for the next generation of farmers. The fact that farmers become almost tax exempt after they get the pension is an incentive for them to hang on for even longer. A lot of my friends in there twenties and thirties are mad to leave and get off farm work because they are fed up taking orders from their fathers and the have no say. Then when they do finally get the regins the farm is run down and the young men find it difficult without the steady wage

    That is such a good point. I know there was a certain amount of abuse of that system. If it wasn't for the early retirement scheme I wouldn't have got going. Leased a farm from an enlightened gent who stood back and trusted me, if only there were more like him??


  • #46
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    That is such a good point. I know there was a certain amount of abuse of that system. If it wasn't for the early retirement scheme I wouldn't have got going. Leased a farm from an enlightened gent who stood back and trusted me, if only there were more like him??

    Let you make your own mistakes. You learn very quick when you make your own


  • #47
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,646 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Let you make your own mistakes. You learn very quick when you make your own

    Only way to get experience


  • #48
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    moy83 wrote: »
    It wouldn't be the end of the world not to be self employed or own your own farm .
    If you were on the right farm , allowed work off your own initiative and be involved in decision making I'd say it could be a very enjoyable area to work in without the stress of actually being self employed . If there was full time work on a farm near me and the money was decent I would much prefer it over working on the buildings .

    I know its not easy to start out farming without land but it can be done nonetheless , just might take a bit of time. Partnerships , or share farming would be a good way forward . Or even starting out renting what you can afford and building up stock .
    That maybe a good use for suckler cows in building up numbers . If you started out with ten suck calves on a few acres and reared them for the bull while adding a few heifer calves every year until you had calves born yourself for selling .
    They could be kept reasonably cheap on rough grazing all the while raising numbers as equity and proving to the bank that you can make it work .
    If you had 40/50 cattle for selling and the right farm came up for rent the bank should be able to finance some of what you need to get going at a small dairy by that stage .

    W2, dar and myself did the same course in the UK back in the day. I don't know what the intake was like when they did it but around 30% of the students in my year were not from farms. The top student was the third generation of his family to work as dairy herdsmen and left most of the farmers sons trailing far behind on theory and practical work. He was depending on his results for future employment though whereas many of the rest of us were keen to learn without killing ourselves secure in the knowledge that we were heading home at the end of the year or shortly after.

    The herdsmen on both farms where I did work experience had no farm ownership in their background. One of them was the seventh generation of his family to work as a dairy herdsman. We have no tradition of people making a career in farming probably due to farm size but it may develop. This was totally different to nz as there was no share farming or other route to progress into farm ownership for these guys but they were working at a career they enjoyed in the main and there was career progression in that there were opportunities to move onto bigger farms and better pay and conditions as you gained experience and proved yourself.


  • #49
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Plenty of ppl like that around. Big difference around here in last ten yrs. All the lads that were part time farming and on the buildings have since gone full-time a lot of ground being used a lot better
    What does stockpiling bales have to do with thread title :confused:


  • #50
    I said
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭I said


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    What does stockpiling bales have to do with thread title :confused:

    I think it's the amount of lazy fcukers who have it handed to them that pisses people off


  • #51
    trixi2011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭trixi2011


    Well I wasn't born or raised on a farm. supposedly I was a little bastard as a child so I was sent to my uncles each summer for some manual work to quieten me down. I suppose this is were I got my interest from.


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  • #52
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    What does stockpiling bales have to do with thread title :confused:

    Sorry Sam, was splitting threads and didn't know where to start it from as it ran on from another discussion.
    It's a bit of a mismatch alright but was running round like a headless chicken earlier!:o


  • #53
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,646 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    .Kovu. wrote: »
    Sorry Sam, was splitting threads and didn't know where to start it from as it ran on from another discussion.
    It's a bit of a mismatch alright but was running round like a headless chicken earlier!:o

    Washing calves in the rain and the like


  • #54
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    trixi2011 wrote: »
    Well I wasn't born or raised on a farm. supposedly I was a little bastard as a child so I was sent to my uncles each summer for some manual work to quieten me down. I suppose this is were I got my interest from.

    Did the uncles and manual labour improve your behaviour ? :D


  • #55
    trixi2011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭trixi2011


    moy83 wrote: »
    Did the uncles and manual labour improve your behaviour ? :D
    prob did went every year till I was about 15 then I got to busy chasing skirt . My granny was adamant that I wasn't to go farming after school and that I should get a trade so I became a mechanic for a few years jacked that in moved onto the farm with her and my uncle and went to ag college.


  • #56
    nhg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭nhg


    No option on the poll to match my criteria:

    Reared in the town, only ever on the farm when visiting the grandparents when young as they usually came to our house, working in family business, met my oh who worked there as well, no interest in farming, oh used to spend his weekends & summers on his grandparents farm & worked for farmers bringing in hay etc but no interest in owning/running a farm - I inherited a farm 2 years ago - we both now hate working in the family business (economic downturn didn't help), love farming & would love to be at it full time if only didn't need off farm job to support both the farm & ourselves.

    Learnt anything I know about farming from this forum - oh not into reading, so I do the research & show him the interesting bits, we were speaking to a farming friend the other day (a friend from before our farming days), seemingly our name came up in a conversation and the other person said 'how are they getting on farming sure they know nothing about farming' conversation ended abruptly when my friend replied ' well they're doing better than you anyway'!

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  • #57
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    When I was young I have been voted least likely to be a farmer. Was away from farming for over 20 years had being trying to buy a place for 7-8 years. Coming from outside the box has its advantages I am unafraid about making mistakes and would be good on the finance side.

    Biggest issue I see is the way lads can sit of farm payments and under utilisation. Fail to understand how lads can survive inspections and inspectors fail to notice that land is virtually rented with minimum stock to draw payment. This prevents long term leasing even with tax advantages. Until this is sorted there is little hope of land mobility.

    If this is replicated across Europe then I believe that the EU is storing up a food security issue down the line. The worst of it is most of these low level farmers have no problem getting access to GLAS/AEOS/REPS etc. If anything they seem to be aided and abetted in there endeavors by the department and farming organisations.


  • #58
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,646 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    When I was young I have been voted least likely to be a farmer. Was away from farming for over 20 years had being trying to buy a place for 7-8 years. Coming from outside the box has its advantages I am unafraid about making mistakes and would be good on the finance side.

    Biggest issue I see is the way lads can sit of farm payments and under utilisation. Fail to understand how lads can survive inspections and inspectors fail to notice that land is virtually rented with minimum stock to draw payment. This prevents long term leasing even with tax advantages. Until this is sorted there is little hope of land mobility.

    If this is replicated across Europe then I believe that the EU is storing up a food security issue down the line. The worst of it is most of these low level farmers have no problem getting access to GLAS/AEOS/REPS etc. If anything they seem to be aided and abetted in there endeavors by the department and farming organisations.

    Well whoever voted that were way off


  • #59
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Well whoever voted that were way off

    I am not sure about that Reggie. I think loads here forget your alter ego that was around before and his trade.


  • #60
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,646 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    I am not sure about that Reggie. I think loads here forget your alter ego that was around before and his trade.

    True I suppose. Ya wouldn't think I was in that trade if ya meet me. You'd be saying he's Def a farmer


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  • #61
    einn32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭einn32


    I was born on a farm which my father built up from very small. I always had an interest in it. I was made work on the farm from a young age. Think it helped me gain a good work ethic etc.!

    A problem with lack of youth entering farming is that there is no reason for old lads to get out. Its a strange industry in that you don't retire usually for various reasons so its hard to expand. Its also seen as too hard a career etc.


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