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There's no academic difference between working class and middle class children

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  • #212
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    sup_dude wrote: »
    So I know.

    You can only say that if you know what all the other parents are saying to the school.


  • #213
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Cantremember wrote: »
    No. I am pointing out that teaching time devoted to dealing with issues in the prescribed manner even as described will be impacting on progress; another poster put their experience up.

    What evidence have you of this?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #214
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    No, cantremember, you're right. We should just go back to spending an hour having a screaming match in the middle of the classroom. That is way less disruptive than having a sensible conversation when everyone else is busy working.:rolleyes:


  • #215
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Cantremember wrote: »
    No. I am pointing out that teaching time devoted to dealing with issues in the prescribed manner even as described will be impacting on progress; another poster put their experience up.

    As I said before I devote time to the middle class kids who were pushed into science. They don't get basic facts that others get. Should I kick them out?


  • #216
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    What evidence have you that the larger group is negatively affected?

    What evidence have you that they are not, apart from the word of a family member? In short, a silly question.


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  • #217
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Cantremember wrote: »
    What evidence have you that they are not, apart from the word of a family member? In short, a silly question.

    Ah. Its a silly question because the answer is none. Its silly because you dont like the answer. Its silly because its challenging your assumptions and assertions.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #218
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Cantremember wrote: »
    What evidence have you that they are not, apart from the word of a family member? In short, a silly question.

    You will never know any of the facts unless you contact the school so why are you asking hypothetical questions? Fond of an argument?


  • #219
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    sup_dude wrote: »
    No, cantremember, you're right. We should just go back to spending an hour having a screaming match in the middle of the classroom. That is way less disruptive than having a sensible conversation when everyone else is busy working.:rolleyes:

    Lol. If someone in national school is having an hour long screaming match in class there are serious issues.


  • #220
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Ah. Its a silly question because the answer is none. Its silly because you dont like the answer. Its silly because its challenging your assumptions and assertions.

    It's silly because the answer is the same for both of us.


  • #221
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Cantremember wrote: »
    Lol. If someone in national school is having an hour long screaming match in class there are serious issues.

    Serious issues that are now being addressed!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #222
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    You will never know any of the facts unless you contact the school so why are you asking hypothetical questions? Fond of an argument?

    I didn't ask the silly question did I.


  • #223
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Cantremember wrote: »
    Lol. If someone in national school is having an hour long screaming match in class there are serious issues.


    My point exactly.
    We know because Mum is in regular contact with the school, to make sure my brother is doing alright. We know because we went from at least one phone call a week, to none. We know because my mother no longer gets stares from other parents of children in the same class. We know, because the teacher told us.


  • #224
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Serious issues that are now being addressed!

    I suspect, note suspect, that if as the person suggested a physiological cause lies at the root of the behaviour then there is a longer road ahead.


  • #225
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Cantremember wrote: »
    It's silly because the answer is the same for both of us.

    Ok so basically you have no evidence that the progress of 30 odd children is being held back. Fair enough. Then stop claiming this as fact.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #226
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Cantremember wrote: »
    I suspect, note suspect, that if as the person suggested a physiological cause lies at the root of the behaviour then there is a longer road ahead.

    I suspect your no scientist.


  • #227
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Cantremember wrote: »
    I suspect, note suspect, that if as the person suggested a physiological cause lies at the root of the behaviour then there is a longer road ahead.

    Of course there's physiological causes... he spent a year and a half fighting for his life when most kids are learning accepted behaviour... and it will be a long long road. He may never be okay, but the difference a change in attitude in school is staggering.


  • #228
    Cantremember
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I suspect your no scientist.

    Certainly not. Time will tell. Bump the thread in 12 years time to let us know. With supporting evidence. Copies of school reports will do.


  • #229
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Cantremember wrote: »
    Certainly not. Time will tell. Bump the thread in 12 years time to let us know. With supporting evidence. Copies of school reports will do.

    Nah I know all I want to know. A scientist assumes no prior knowledge.


  • #230
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Ok so basically you have no evidence that the progress of 30 odd children is being held back. Fair enough. Then stop claiming this as fact.

    You need to read the post of the parent who quoted his experience of a particular approach to behavioural issues.


  • #231
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Nah I know all I want to know. A scientist assumes no prior knowledge.

    A scientist brings an open mind. But then you know all you want to know.


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  • #232
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Cantremember wrote: »
    You need to read the post of the parent who quoted his experience of a particular approach to behavioural issues.

    You were referring to my brother, who has a completely different approach that works better.


  • #233
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Cantremember wrote: »
    A scientist brings an open mind. But then you know all you want to know.[/QUOTe}

    See you man. You have argued for several pages now without a concurrent point.


  • #234
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    As I said before I devote time to the middle class kids who were pushed into science. They don't get basic facts that others get. Should I kick them out?

    If they don't have the competency required to pass the course you will fail them as you would fail anyone. Their background is none of your business. Failing them may have the same effect as kicking them out, depending on the course.


  • #235
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    sup_dude wrote: »
    You were referring to my brother, who has a completely different approach that works better.

    I was referring to your experience as outlined and other experiences.


  • #236
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Cantremember wrote: »
    I was referring to your experience as outlined and other experiences.

    You were completely ignoring most of what I was saying and forming opinions based on the half knowledge you came up with.


  • #237
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Cantremember wrote: »
    A scientist brings an open mind. But then you know all you want to know.[/QUOTe}

    See you man. You have argued for several pages now without a concurrent point.

    Concurrent. Right.


  • #238
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Cantremember wrote: »
    You need to read the post of the parent who quoted his experience of a particular approach to behavioural issues.

    You cannot extrapolate one situation to all situations.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #239
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    sup_dude wrote: »
    You were completely ignoring most of what I was saying and forming opinions based on the half knowledge you came up with.

    Untrue. You simply don't like the bigger picture that was outlined and the different reasons that the previous school may have had. That's understandable through family loyalty.


  • #240
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    You cannot extrapolate one situation to all situations.

    Indeed.


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  • #241
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Cantremember wrote: »
    Untrue. You simply don't like the bigger picture that was outlined and the different reasons that the previous school may have had. That's understandable through family loyalty.

    I already addressed that. All of that.


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