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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Obama showing full support for Israel.

    Lost a lot of respect for him.

    It makes sense, the US is the biggest supporter of the Israeli government, they were hardly going to support Hamas, which full support for Gaza would be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It makes sense, the US is the biggest supporter of the Israeli government, they were hardly going to support Hamas, which full support for Gaza would be.

    No body is asking him to support Hamas, just a small matter of not supporting slaughter of innocents. I suppose it is just a little too much to expect :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    RustyNut wrote: »
    He cant kill any babys now.

    You support kidnapping?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Here is what is happening: Barbara Boxer the liberal junior senator from california - where she is considered liberal by even Californian standards and on the left of the Democratic Party -- was upset and emotional Thursday. Not by images of wanton destruction and dead kids but tardiness in approving more military aid to Israel. There isn't even a hint of reproach to israel from anybody these days.

    Boxer tried to get unanimous consent to pass S. 2673, the United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act, which would have authorized $200 million for U.S. weapons in Israel. But Corker, ranking member of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, objected because the bill didn’t go through his committee first.

    “I am shocked and deeply saddened that my friend would come here and object,” Boxer said. “My friend told me he would not object.”

    Boxer pointed out that the bill, which also expresses the Senate’s support for Israel’s right to defend itself from Hamas rocket attacks, is co-sponsored by 80 percent of the Senate, including lead sponsor Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.).

    “If not now, when is the time to pass this legislation?,” Boxer said. “Almost the entire Senate is on it.

    “This is an emergency. … I think it is a dark moment when we would walk away from this opportunity to take a stand against terrorism.”

    Corker said he was promised a Thursday hearing on the bill but Chairman Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) canceled it because senators started offering last-minute amendments that would kill the bill. The original agreement was that no amendments would be offered in committee.

    “I’m emotional now. I don’t know what happened, we had a committee hearing scheduled today,” Corker said. “If it came through committee, I was perfectly fine with it being adopted through unanimous consent.”

    Senators are scheduled to leave town Thursday night for the five-week August recess. Boxer wanted to pass this bill before leaving because the Pentagon has asked for $215 million in emergency spending to replenish Israel’s Iron Dome missile supply.

    Israel has been fighting off attacks by the terrorist group Hamas for weeks and the conflict continues.


    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/213988-boxer-corker-spar-in-heated-exchange-on-israel

    Eh?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Moses101 wrote: »
    Its getting serious,Kinvara is throwing its lot in with hamas.hope the IDF doesnt mistake it for a threat to its interests.
    Actually they're not "throwing their lot" in with anybody. It was a short and simple news story yet you either couldn't understand it or are just plain lying about it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    RustyNut wrote: »
    He cant kill any babys now.
    RobertKK wrote: »
    You support kidnapping?

    No. Do you support killing baby's?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You support kidnapping?

    What do you call it when the Israelis take people from Gaza?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    No body is asking him to support Hamas, just a small matter of not supporting slaughter of innocents. I suppose it is just a little too much to expect :rolleyes:


    Obama has been killing people for years. If you lived in certain parts of Pakistan, Yemen and some other countries, Obama is the biggest terrorist around, with his drones and kill list that he personally approves, which has killed at least hundreds of civilians while fighting terrorists.

    Of course Obama would see a common position with Israel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭Phonehead


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You support kidnapping?

    I don't think many here do, but Israel are also guilty of kidnapping


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You support kidnapping?
    Let me see. Kidnapping Vs the whole scale slaughter of innocent, non combatant civilians....

    ....it's a hard one alright, I might need to think about it :cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    What do you call it when the Israelis take people from Gaza?

    A good day, if they are the type who want to blow themselves up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    A good day, if they are the type who want to blow themselves up.


    So it is a good day when Israel takes people from Gaza and it is kidnapping when Gaza takes an Israeli soldier in Gaza?

    Please explain more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    The Israeli sympathisers in here sicken me. Surely theres an agenda behind the support they give the zionists as nobody who is any way decent could support what they are doing in Gaza.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Arsemageddon


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You support kidnapping?

    Kidnapped me arse! He wasn't a toddler lured into a car by a dirty old man.

    He's a soldier that has been captured by the enemy, therefore he is a prisoner of war as defined by the Geneva convention.

    Top marks for the childish use of emotive language though.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So what good did the Palestinian kidnapping of an Israeli soldier do for the Palestinian people?
    It might stop their country being stolen wholesale for a few minutes like the West Bank was when they stopped fighting back?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Eh?

    That's standard US reporting on the issue.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You support kidnapping?
    What happened to that old acronym "POW"? Just as defending your country is now "terrorism", capturing soldiers invading your country is now "kidnapping"?
    What next, genocide is a lovely tea party?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Kidnapped me arse! He wasn't a toddler lured into a car by a dirty old man.

    He's a soldier that has been captured by the enemy, therefore he is a prisoner of war as defined by the Geneva convention.

    Top marks for the childish use of emotive language though.

    Hamas are a terrorist group, unlike the IDF despite what people want to say.

    If Loyalist terrorists took an Irish soldier during the troubles, would it be kidnapping or prisoner of war.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    unlike the IDF

    Jesus, you have started early on the hard stuff


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Hamas are a terrorist group, unlike the IDF despite what people want to say.
    And at the 1,000,000th time of asking, not one Zionist apologist has been able to come up with a definition of "terrorist" other than "the guys I don't like".
    Go on, have a go yourself. Join the ranks of the laughed at.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Hamas are a terrorist group, unlike the IDF despite what people want to say.

    If Loyalist terrorists took an Irish soldier during the troubles, would it be kidnapping or prisoner of war.

    What about the Jewish terror groups that slaughtered the Palestinians and anybody in there way in the 1940s?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,690 ✭✭✭ElChe32


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Hamas are a terrorist group, unlike the IDF despite what people want to say.

    If Loyalist terrorists took an Irish soldier during the troubles, would it be kidnapping or prisoner of war.


    Targeting a hospital even though they'd been informed (17 times) it was full of women children and the sick is an act of what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    The Israeli sympathisers in here sicken me. Surely theres an agenda behind the support they give the zionists as nobody who is any way decent could support what they are doing in Gaza.


    What about the supporters of Hamas and Islamic Jihad?

    They are only left with Qatar supporting them, a nation that treats poor foreign workers to slavery, and North Korea that has been accused by the UN as being akin to Nazi Germany.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Arsemageddon


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Hamas are a terrorist group, unlike the IDF despite what people want to say.

    If Loyalist terrorists took an Irish soldier during the troubles, would it be kidnapping or prisoner of war.

    Hamas also happen to be the elected government in Gaza.

    I don't remember the Irish army invading the north and killing thousands of unionists.

    How about dealing with what's happening rather than using stoooooopid makey uppey scenarios?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Hamas are a terrorist group, unlike the IDF despite what people want to say.

    If Loyalist terrorists took an Irish soldier during the troubles, would it be kidnapping or prisoner of war.

    Its actually the other way around, the Israelis are to the Palestinians what the British were to us for hundreds of years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭Phonehead


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Hamas are a terrorist group, unlike the IDF despite what people want to say.

    If Loyalist terrorists took an Irish soldier during the troubles, would it be kidnapping or prisoner of war.

    Would you have deemed the IRA during the war of independence as terrorists?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    RobertKK wrote: »
    unlike the IDF despite what people want to say.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/terrorist


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    RobertKK wrote: »
    What about the supporters of Hamas and Islamic Jihad?

    They are only left with Qatar supporting them, a nation that treats poor foreign workers to slavery, and North Korea that has been accused by the UN as being akin to Nazi Germany.

    If those jewish terrorists didnt come to somebody elses land, displace and massacre the population who were living there for centuries there would be no Hamas?? Do you not agree???????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    ElChe32 wrote: »
    Targeting a hospital even though they'd been informed (17 times) it was full of women children and the sick is an act of what?


    I am not justifying any wrongdoing.

    I am just providing a bit of balance, there has been wrong done on all sides, all we by some is how terrible Israel is.
    At least Israeli's valued their lives enough unlike some Gazans who were blowing themselves up and other on buses and restaurants.

    Hamas have also bombed Gaza, their rockets don't always escape Gaza when fired.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭Phonehead


    Phonehead wrote: »
    Would you have deemed the IRA during the war of independence as terrorists?

    Please answer


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