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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #1082
    mrsweebri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭mrsweebri


    JamboMac wrote: »
    Who said they will stop with Palestine?

    Who are "they"?

    It is not so difficult to write the history books these days with the internet.


  • #1083
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    The thoughts of that 13 year old girl been shot like a dog 10 times by the oh so brave IDF is really playing on my mind here. That is somebodies daughter, slaughtered like an animal just for one reason and that her been a Palestinian. How can anybody defend this?

    I watched an episode of the Late Show in the US where Stephen Fry was a guest. He recounted a story he had heard from a holocaust survivor. She was a child in one of the camps and had been called before one of Hitlers top men, Goering I think, to play some music. Afterwards she was sent back to the camp. Stephen asked her if he had thanked her for playing. She laughed and said "Do you thank your toaster? (may have been a different appliance)

    I'd never understood the fact that, to the Nazis, Jews weren't even people. They ranked lower than animals. This is exactly how Israel is treating Palestinians. They have launched their own holocaust. And what makes it worse than the one committed by the Nazis is that the people of Israel cannot claim to be in the dark as the people of Germany did. There is no hiding from the war crimes being committed. This is the act of a democratic country not a fascist dictator.


  • #1084
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Its not war its genocide

    war/genocide/muder/massacre... at this stage im not sure the words are even meaning anything anymore. im becoming numb watching it :(


  • #1085
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

    So an israeli ultra crazy kills an israeli in israel is the same as assassinating POTUS:rolleyes:


  • #1086
    beegeedee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22 ✭beegeedee


    kryogen wrote: »
    There is no other way to describe other then cold blooded murder.

    And he is being charged, something that seemed to be omitted. Yes it was, another IDF soldier tried to stop him and the soldier in question was arrested.

    When you post something like that, include all the facts please, not just a one-sides view.


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  • #1087
    JamboMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭JamboMac


    mrsweebri wrote: »
    Who are "they"?

    It is not so difficult to write the history books these days with the internet.

    Israel is who they are.

    This is a problem if you speak out about Israel your viewed as anti-Semitic.


  • #1088
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    beegeedee wrote: »
    And he is being charged, something that seemed to be omitted. Yes it was, another IDF soldier tried to stop him and the soldier in question was arrested.

    When you post something like that, include all the facts please, not just a one-sides view.

    What was he charged with for shooting a 13 year old girl in cold blood?


  • #1089
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Disappointment is a gross understatement. Who'd have guessed that a Democrat president would sit by and allow Israel carte blanche to murder civilians at will. You expect that from a Republican president, but from a Democrat? Well it pretty much sums up how hypocritical the gobshyte is. Oh he can play the hoops, throw in a bit of street slang and milk the media like the excellent PR slut he is. But then he sits back and allows the blood of the innocent to soak the streets of Gaza. So it is natural to conclude, that he must be completely bereft of any moral compass or compassion to allow such bloodshed happen.

    Let's not mention Iraq and Afghanistan, Pakistan, Ukraine, etc etc etc. He does love his Drones and missiles. The "image" is all BS, he's the same as Bush et al. It would be a bit much if he railed against Israel, with the amount of blood he has on his hands. Murdering psychos support murdering psychos. Go figure.


  • #1090
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    IS (Islamic State) Formally known as ISIS released a statement via an associated twitter account after reading I heart Internet's claim they were allies.. :P
    "It is only matter of time and patience before it [Islamic State] reaches Palestine to fight the barbaric Jews and kill those of them hiding behind the gharqad trees - the trees of the Jews," the statement read.

    "As for the massacres taking place in Gaza against the Muslim men, women and children, then the Islamic State will do everything within its means to continue striking down every apostate who stands as an obstacle on its paths towards Palestine," the group said.

    "It is not the manner of the Islamic State to throw empty, dry and hypocritical words of condemnation and condolences like the Arab tawaghit do in the UN and Arab League."

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-crisis-isis-pledge-join-palestinian-fight-against-barbaric-jews-1459190


  • #1091
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mrsweebri wrote: »
    Certainly it seems like a doomed and disastrous experiment in the long run, but that doesn't change my distaste for blanket comments regarding groups of people. It is how the Israeli and US (and jihadist) media manage to instill fear among the masses, by combining individuals into out groups which are easier to hate and fear, providing support for wars.
    Irish people should know how lstereotyping feels.

    Are you in Israel, mrsweebri or elsewhere in the world? Whst is your opinion on the situation?


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  • #1092
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    "We don't want a government of racists"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmwM5V4KnA


  • #1093
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Happens already. Look what happened Rachel Corry. Look whats happening the UN schools/refugee shelters. Look whats happening the european doctors and the peaceful observers. Look at whats happening the children... Monstrous acts

    These monsters also beat up and detained the Irish flotilla people and they also shot Caoimhe Butterly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caoimhe_Butterly


  • #1094
    mrsweebri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭mrsweebri


    JamboMac wrote: »
    Israel is who they are.

    This is a problem if you speak out about Israel your viewed as anti-Semitic.

    No, if you make sweeping statements about Jewish Israelis or Jews you are viewed as anti Semitic. Israel has no interest in the rest of the world - they are not even populous enough to annexe Gaza and the West Bank without losing their Jewish majority. So I wondered if there was some other "they" you were worried about?

    You brought up anti-semitism, not me.


  • #1095
    beegeedee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22 ✭beegeedee


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    What was he charged with for shooting a 13 year old girl in cold blood?

    Yes. He was charged with the shooting. In what form that takes or the exact charges will be up to the justice system.

    The point is they acted upon it and other IDF soldiers came forward against him too.


  • #1096
    conditioned games
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭conditioned games


    Pwindedd wrote: »
    It astounds me that the Israeli nation has convinced themselves what they are doing is justified.

    In fairness if we had a neighbouring country firing bombs on to us I would like to think our country would stand up for it's self and take a hard line.

    I think Israel are doing a good job so far. They are better off weakening nasty Hamas by destroying their tunnels so they cant move around their explosives in the short to medium term, make the living conditions ackward for the people and then bring them to the table for peace talks.

    Hamas wants Israel wiped off the map and before this conflict a lasting peace would never be possible. This current battle should help Palestinian's see their attitude up to now is wrong. Therefore Israel is on the right road so far and good luck to them. If this recent conflict between them gets both sides to recognise each other then a lasting peace may come from it.


  • #1097
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Happens already. Look what happened Rachel Corry. Look whats happening the UN schools/refugee shelters. Look whats happening the european doctors and the peaceful observers. Look at whats happening the children... Monstrous acts
    Look what happened to Irishmen serving as UN peacekeepers. Tortured and blasted to hell by Israel and its proxies.


  • #1098
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    beegeedee wrote: »
    And he is being charged, something that seemed to be omitted. Yes it was, another IDF soldier tried to stop him and the soldier in question was arrested.

    When you post something like that, include all the facts please, not just a one-sides view.

    I read in a previous post. The man was moved unit. That was his 'punishment' for the cold-blooded murder of a frightened little girl. And he still is a captain and still holds a gun. And how many countless other murders is he responsible for?


  • #1099
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    beegeedee wrote: »
    And he is being charged, something that seemed to be omitted. Yes it was, another IDF soldier tried to stop him and the soldier in question was arrested.

    When you post something like that, include all the facts please, not just a one-sides view.

    I didn't post it, I commented on it.

    One sides view? Thought that is generally what a personal opinion is. What is the alternative view to what that officer did then? More particularly, what is your view?

    ps. All the facts are in the link, including the attempted cover up by the IDF and the soldier you refer to.


  • #1100
    DeadHand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

    A world of difference between bumping off the Prime Minister of your own country and getting at the US president.

    Of all the factions who want to see Obama dead, Zionists are way down the list whether he condemns them or not. In either case, radical Islamists top the table by a country mile.

    And a Zionist plot successful or not to kill old Barry would basically be suicide for Israel as she dramatically and permanently loses her greatest ally and the only chance they have of surviving in the long run.

    Get a grip. Think.


  • #1101
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mrsweebri wrote: »
    Certainly it seems like a doomed and disastrous experiment in the long run, but that doesn't change my distaste for blanket comments regarding groups of people. It is how the Israeli and US (and jihadist) media manage to instill fear among the masses, by combining individuals into out groups which are easier to hate and fear, providing support for wars.
    Irish people should know how lstereotyping feels.

    Are you in Israel, mrsweebri or elsewhere in the world? Whst is your opinion on the situation?


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  • #1102
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    beegeedee wrote: »
    Yes.

    Yes? I asked what was he charged with. Was he charged with murder?


  • #1103
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Let's not mention Iraq and Afghanistan, Pakistan, Ukraine, etc etc etc. He does love his Drones and missiles. The "image" is all BS, he's the same as Bush et al. It would be a bit much if he railed against Israel, with the amount of blood he has on his hands. Murdering psychos support murdering psychos. Go figure.

    And he managed to do something that Bush didn't do, he has us on the verge of a possible global conflagration and seems intent on restarting a new Cold War. But you know what they say "There's money in them there armaments industries."


  • #1104
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    conditioned games wrote: »
    In fairness if we had a neighbouring country firing bombs on to us I would like to think our country would stand up for it's self and take a hard line.

    I think Israel are doing a good job so far. They are better off weakening nasty Hamas by destroying their tunnels so they cant move around their explosives in the short to medium term, make the living conditions ackward for the people and then bring them to the table for peace talks.

    Hamas wants Israel wiped off the map and before this conflict a lasting peace would never be possible. This current battle should help Palestinian's see their attitude up to now is wrong. Therefore Israel is on the right road so far and good luck to them. If this recent conflict between them gets both sides to recognise each other then a lasting peace may come from it.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Seriously? Now, start at the first page, read the WHOLE thread.. Then tell me if you still believe what you just wrote.. (Shakes head)


  • #1105
    JamboMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭JamboMac


    mrsweebri wrote: »
    No, if you make sweeping statements about Jewish Israelis or Jews you are viewed as anti Semitic. Israel has no interest in the rest of the world - they are not even populous enough to annexe Gaza and the West Bank without losing their Jewish majority. So I wondered if there was some other "they" you were worried about?

    You brought up anti-semitism, not me.

    But I haven't condemned anybody for being Jewish but it felt like the person asked who are they was trying to paint such a picture so since you are obsessed with who they are please answer.

    Who are they?


  • #1106
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    beegeedee wrote: »
    And he is being charged, something that seemed to be omitted. Yes it was, another IDF soldier tried to stop him and the soldier in question was arrested.

    When you post something like that, include all the facts please, not just a one-sides view.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11807152
    given that they dish out suspended sentences for using human shields i dont put much faith in their "justice system"


  • #1107
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    conditioned games wrote: »
    In fairness if we had a neighbouring country firing bombs on to us I would like to think our country would stand up for it's self and take a hard line.

    I think Israel are doing a good job so far. They are better off weakening nasty Hamas by destroying their tunnels so they cant move around their explosives in the short to medium term, make the living conditions ackward for the people and then bring them to the table for peace talks.

    Hamas wants Israel wiped off the map and before this conflict a lasting peace would never be possible. This current battle should help Palestinian's see their attitude up to now is wrong. Therefore Israel is on the right road so far and good luck to them. If this recent conflict between them gets both sides to recognise each other then a lasting peace may come from it.

    How's your burger?


  • #1108
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    mrsweebri wrote: »
    No, if you make sweeping statements about Jewish Israelis or Jews you are viewed as anti Semitic. Israel has no interest in the rest of the world - they are not even populous enough to annexe Gaza and the West Bank without losing their Jewish majority. So I wondered if there was some other "they" you were worried about?

    You brought up anti-semitism, not me.
    Nope, you asked who "they" are, implying the poster was talking about Jews when he was 100% obviously talking about Israel.
    You brought anti-Semitism into the debate, you just didn't use those words.
    So. Why exactly DID Israel annexe the West Bank (yes, they did) if they don't want to put Israelis there? Do you mind telling us what a "settlement" is exactly if it isn't a land grab by displacement of the local population?


  • #1109
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    conditioned games wrote: »
    Hamas wants Israel wiped off the map
    Whereas Israel doesn't need to just dream about wiping Palestine off the map, they are actually doing it.


  • #1110
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Seriously? Now, start at the first page, read the WHOLE thread.. Then tell me if you still believe what you just wrote.. (Shakes head)

    I was going to write something but I thought it would be just a waste of time.I'm glad you did though.These are not the sort of Irish people I knew when I grew up. The celtic tiger obviously turned them into monsters.


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  • #1111
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    beegeedee wrote: »
    Yes. He was charged with the shooting. In what form that takes or the exact charges will be up to the justice system.

    The point is they acted upon it and other IDF soldiers came forward against him too.
    A subsequent investigation by the officer responsible for the Gaza strip, Major General Dan Harel, concluded that the captain had "not acted unethically".
    However, the military police launched an investigation, which resulted in charges against the unit commander.

    Iman's parents have accused the army of whitewashing the affair by filing minor charges against Captain R. They want him prosecuted for murder

    He has certainly not been charged with murder, or manslaughter I would wager.


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