Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

Chance The Rapper · 31-07-2014 08:23PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Personally I think deep down this genocide is killing Barack Obama, but there is nothing he can do as the American congress is full of whack jobs that will support Israel no matter what they do. The tail wags the dog in American politics and the likes of Fox news is brain washing the American public into supporting the zionists.

He should still speak out, as should Michael D.

Phonehead · 31-07-2014 08:23PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Personally I think deep down this genocide is killing Barack Obama, but there is nothing he can do as the American congress is full of whack jobs that will support Israel no matter what they do. The tail wags the dog in American politics and the likes of Fox news is brain washing the American public into supporting the zionists.

Possibly but it's hard to know, Obama has without a doubt been a huge disappointment. The only thing that could have made his 2 terms anyway ok'ish was Obamacare which is turning into a complete flop. He talked the talk but oh my God did he flop like a fat man diving belly first into the pool from 10 metres.

wretcheddomain · 31-07-2014 08:25PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Terribly sad news, that wee girl was the baby I posted about the other day...

The poor wee darling. May she R.I.P.

Worst of all, the destruction of Gaza's only power generator played a role according to medics:

"The ongoing electricity shortages played a role because her oxygen tubes did not work properly and we had to resuscitate her more than once manually."
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/gaza-miracle-baby-dies-due-power-cuts?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlAkhbarEnglish+(Al+Akhbar+English)

Gringo180 · 31-07-2014 08:27PM

Chance The Rapper wrote: »

He should still speak out, as should Michael D.

It would be extremely dangerous for him to speak out, he is not a foolish man, he knows his life may be at risk if he was ever to criticise to zionists.

I know Jimmy Carter is a huge critic of Israel but had he the same stance when he was the president?

mrsweebri · 31-07-2014 08:28PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Not really.

According to a recent poll, 95% of Jewish Israeli's support the genocidal campaign waged against Gaza.

If they were as horrified as you suggest, that figure would be much lower methinks.

Making blanket statements about any group of people is not helpful. Moreover, a quarter of the Israeli population is not Jewish.

I am getting tired of reading what "Jews" and "Israelis" think. Nobody asked me.

bumper234 · 31-07-2014 08:28PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

It would be extremely dangerous for him to speak out, he is not a foolish man, he knows his life may be at risk if he was ever to criticise to zionists.

I know Jimmy Carter is a huge critic of Israel but had he the same stance when he was the president?

You think they will try to assassinate the Irish president if.he speaks out? :rolleyes:

Gringo180 · 31-07-2014 08:31PM

bumper234 wrote: »

You think they will try to assassinate the Irish president if.he speaks out? :rolleyes:

Obama I was talking about.

DeadHand · 31-07-2014 08:32PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

It would be extremely dangerous for him to speak out, he is not a foolish man, he knows his life may be at risk if he was ever to criticise to zionists.

His life wouldn't be under any greater risk than it already is.

A few million democratic votes would, however.

bumper234 · 31-07-2014 08:34PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Obama I was talking about.

Why would his life be in danger?

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 08:34PM

mrsweebri wrote: »

Making blanket statements about any group of people is not helpful. Moreover, a quarter of the Israeli population is not Jewish.

I am getting tired of reading what "Jews" and "Israelis" think. Nobody asked me.

It is unfortunate then that the state of Israel identifies itself as Jewish, as is certified by its racist criteria for automatic citizenship.

The Th!ng · 31-07-2014 08:34PM

Quadruplets born in Gaza today.

https://twitter.com/Za1d/status/494875405959303169

Fingers crossed they'll all make it.

JamboMac · 31-07-2014 08:34PM

One way this could end is a load of European and American citizens occupy gaza then might see what happens.

suicide_circus · 31-07-2014 08:36PM

i get the feeling my grand kids will learn about this in school and ask me why the fcuk nothing was done

kumate_champ07 · 31-07-2014 08:37PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

i get the feeling my grand kids will learn about this in school and ask me why the fcuk nothing was done

The Palestinian Holocaust

Gringo180 · 31-07-2014 08:37PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Why would his life be in danger?

Maybe it wouldn't but there is a lot of crazy zionist/evangelists in America who are very dangerous people. An American president speaking out against Israel would be a catastrophe for them.

mrsweebri · 31-07-2014 08:39PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

It is unfortunate then that the state of Israel identifies itself as Jewish, as is certified by its racist criteria for automatic citizenship.

Certainly it seems like a doomed and disastrous experiment in the long run, but that doesn't change my distaste for blanket comments regarding groups of people. It is how the Israeli and US (and jihadist) media manage to instill fear among the masses, by combining individuals into out groups which are easier to hate and fear, providing support for wars.
Irish people should know how stereotyping feels.

DamagedTrax · 31-07-2014 08:39PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

i get the feeling my grand kids will learn about this in school and ask me why the fcuk nothing was done

by that stage with the way the world is going, they'll have probably wiped all records of palestine from history.

the winners of war write the history.

R P McMurphy · 31-07-2014 08:40PM

JamboMac wrote: »

One way this could end is a load of European and American citizens occupy gaza then might see what happens.

How would they get into gaza though.

DamagedTrax · 31-07-2014 08:40PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Maybe it wouldn't but there is a lot of crazy zionist/evangelists in America who are very dangerous people. An American president speaking out against Israel would be a catastrophe for them.

JFK spoke out about secret societies and such... so while its probably not a huge concern, im sure they've covered the possibility.

JamboMac · 31-07-2014 08:41PM

DamagedTrax wrote: »

by that stage with the way the world is going, they'll have probably wiped all records of palestine from history.

the winners of war write the history.

Who said they will stop with Palestine?

kryogen · 31-07-2014 08:42PM

RustyNut wrote: »

It would appear that the IDF are prepared to target children as and when it suits them.

Israeli officer: I was right to shoot 13-year-old child

There is no other way to describe other then cold blooded murder.

Rhys Essien · 31-07-2014 08:42PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Why would his life be in danger?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

DamagedTrax · 31-07-2014 08:43PM

JamboMac wrote: »

Who said they will stop with Palestine?

ha! i have my theories but i'd be banished to the CT forum if i aired them

bumper234 · 31-07-2014 08:43PM

JamboMac wrote: »

One way this could end is a load of European and American citizens occupy gaza then might see what happens.

Israeli's wouldn't let them in.

SeaBreezes · 31-07-2014 08:44PM

JamboMac wrote: »

One way this could end is a load of European and American citizens occupy gaza then might see what happens.

Happens already. Look what happened Rachel Corry. Look whats happening the UN schools/refugee shelters. Look whats happening the european doctors and the peaceful observers. Look at whats happening the children... Monstrous acts

Son Of A Vidic · 31-07-2014 08:44PM

Phonehead wrote: »

Obama has without a doubt been a huge disappointment.

Disappointment is a gross understatement. Who'd have guessed that a Democrat president would sit by and allow Israel carte blanche to murder civilians at will. You expect that from a Republican president, but from a Democrat? Well it pretty much sums up how hypocritical the gobshyte is. Oh he can play the hoops, throw in a bit of street slang and milk the media like the excellent PR slut he is. But then he sits back and allows the blood of the innocent to soak the streets of Gaza. So it is natural to conclude, that he must be completely bereft of any moral compass or compassion to allow such bloodshed happen.

JamboMac · 31-07-2014 08:45PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

How would they get into gaza though.

Bordering countries a million plus people, I know it's impossible but it might be the only way to stop the conflict or it would be lambs to the slaughter because I have a feeling Israel wouldn't give a sh!t they have an us against them mentality.

bumper234 · 31-07-2014 08:45PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Maybe it wouldn't but there is a lot of crazy zionist/evangelists in America who are very dangerous people. An American president speaking out against Israel would be a catastrophe for them.

He is on 2nd term.so **** all to him. His party would lose votes and funding and that's what it boils down to here, money.

SeaBreezes · 31-07-2014 08:45PM

DamagedTrax wrote: »

by that stage with the way the world is going, they'll have probably wiped all records of palestine from history.

the winners of war write the history.

Its not war its genocide

DamagedTrax · 31-07-2014 08:46PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Who'd have guessed that a Democrat president would sit by and allow Israel carte blanche to murder civilians at will. You expect that from a Republican president, but from a Democrat? .

well when they're funded by the same groups with certain interests, the differences melt into the BS.

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