Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

h2005 · 31-07-2014 01:00PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/07/idf-sniper-admits-on-instagram-to-murdering-13-gaza-children/

I have no idea if it is a fake account

It's a fake account which is not very helpful to what is going on.

I Heart Internet · 31-07-2014 01:01PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Seriously? Would you ever stop with your crap?

Have you seen what's going in Syria? Over 150,000 dead in three years

Have you seen what's going on in Northern Iraq? ISIS killing thousands and trying to exterminate all the Iraqi Christians?

It's ok. The "UN Army" is going to invade Syria and Iraq too, disarming all around them, on their sweep through the middle east. Problem solved.

mad muffin · 31-07-2014 01:03PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It's ok. The "UN Army" is going to invade Syria and Iraq too, disarming all around them, on their sweep through the middle east. Problem solved.

I doubt there will be many protests though. Not enough Israel in the head line.

mad muffin · 31-07-2014 01:04PM

Anyone watching the news in BBC?

Looks like Hamas had built tunnels in peoples homes…

A Dub in Glasgo · 31-07-2014 01:05PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

That does not appear to be an unbiased news agency/site.

It probably isn't

h2005 · 31-07-2014 01:06PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It's ok. The "UN Army" is going to invade Syria and Iraq too, disarming all around them, on their sweep through the middle east. Problem solved.

"Don't look at what we're doing here, look at what they are doing over there!"

JamboMac · 31-07-2014 01:07PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Seriously? Would you ever stop with your crap?

Have you seen what's going in Syria? Over 150,000 dead in three years

Have you seen what's going on in Northern Iraq? ISIS killing thousands and trying to exterminate all the Iraqi Christians?

At what point do you see the news condemn any of what you discussed all he said was Hamas Hamas Hamas to justify this.

Maybe open your eyes.

Plus you can only attack post the not the poster.

I Heart Internet · 31-07-2014 01:07PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Anyone watching the news in BBC?

Looks like Hamas had built tunnels in peoples homes…

To hide the tunnel work from Israeli intelligence, the entrances are mostly
located on the bottom floor of houses, mosques, schools or other public
buildings.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28430298

Gringo180 · 31-07-2014 01:09PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Seriously? Would you ever stop with your crap?

Have you seen what's going in Syria? Over 150,000 dead in three years

Have you seen what's going on in Northern Iraq? ISIS killing thousands and trying to exterminate all the Iraqi Christians?

And who's fault is that I wonder? Correct it is the wests fault, there foreign policy's of there enemies enemy is there friend has come back to haunt them and will do for the foreseeable future.

JamboMac · 31-07-2014 01:09PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It's ok. The "UN Army" is going to invade Syria and Iraq too, disarming all around them, on their sweep through the middle east. Problem solved.

I used the UN army to simplify it for you rather then a coalition force;)

d.pop · 31-07-2014 01:11PM

beano345 wrote: »

If you met them you'd know generally dog ignorant,loud,boisterous,obnoxious and will haggle to death over 10 cent,not very well liked people down there at all.good bit online about it

You are correct, when I left Israel I spoke Hebrew (pretty much gone now), I travelled around a bit and encountered many Israelis in Asia, I sat and listened to their carry on while they did not know I understood their language, ridiculous carry on.
I could not equate these people with the hardworking farmers and builders I had just spent several years with but they were cut from the same cloth.
Interestingly 10 years later the Irish
Celtic cub generation "enjoyed" a similar reputation in many tourist spots.
Brash, loud, arrogant and full of own self importance.
I must be getting old.

whatstherush · 31-07-2014 01:12PM

mad muffin wrote: »

I doubt there will be many protests though. Not enough Israel in the head line.

This is such a bull**** argument. Do Assad or Isis have the most powerful political lobby in the the most powerful country in the world justifying their every action and jumping downing the throat of anyone who says a word wrong a bout Israel.
If this conflict is such a backwater and we should be focused on other events why does this lobby exist?

JamboMac · 31-07-2014 01:13PM

d.pop wrote: »

You are correct, when I left Israel I spoke Hebrew (pretty much gone now), I travelled around a bit and encountered many Israelis in Asia, I sat and listened to their carry on while they did not know I understood their language, ridiculous carry on.
I could not equate these people with the hardworking farmers and builders I had just spent several years with but they were cut from the same cloth.
Interestingly 10 years later the Irish
Celtic cub generation "enjoyed" a similar reputation in many tourist spots.
Brash, loud, arrogant and full of own self importance.
I must be getting old.

You say brash and arrogant we say charming:D

mad muffin · 31-07-2014 01:16PM

JamboMac wrote: »

At what point do you see the news condemn any of what you discussed all he said was Hamas Hamas Hamas to justify this.

Maybe open your eyes.

Plus you can only attack post the not the poster.

My eyes are wide open.

Type into google

isis exterminating christian iraqis

And so will yours be. Don't click on the second link if you want to ever sleep again though.

donegal__road · 31-07-2014 01:16PM

I find it hypocritical and ways ironic, how the western media showed images of children who had been poisoned by a chemical weapons attack in Syria last year, and how western political leaders then used these images to try to manufacture public consent for invading Syria, and over-throw the child-murderer Assad etc.

Meanwhile all I have seen on Facebook this last 2 weeks are images of children's corpses strewn across Gaza, killed by Israeli missiles....

all we hear about this atrocity is 'Israel has the right to defend itself'.

wes · 31-07-2014 01:16PM

mad muffin wrote: »

I doubt there will be many protests though. Not enough Israel in the head line.

Last time I checked the EU is not offering perferential trade agreement with either ISIS or the Syrian government. The Syrian government it should be noted are already under sanctions.

Of course, its not like you haven't let facts get in the way of one of your rants before, so why should now be different?

mad muffin · 31-07-2014 01:19PM

whatstherush wrote: »

This is such a bull**** argument. Do Assad or Isis have the most powerful political lobby in the the most powerful country in the world justifying their every action and jumping downing the throat of anyone who says a word wrong a bout Israel.
If this conflict is such a backwater and we should be focused on other events why does this lobby exist?

Israel is an easy convenient target. The true atrocities are happening just north east of Israelis borders and I haven't heard a peep about it in the news for some time.

Anyway I don't want to go off topic anymore. It just amazes me what people find disgusting yet turn a blind eye when it suits.

mad muffin · 31-07-2014 01:20PM

wes wrote: »

Last time I checked the EU is not offering perferential trade agreement with either ISIS or the Syrian government. The Syrian government it should be noted are already under sanctions.

Of course, its not like you haven't let facts get in the way of one of your rants before, so why should now be different?

So that's it then job done?

That's cute.

wes · 31-07-2014 01:21PM

mad muffin wrote: »

My eyes are wide open.

Type into google

isis exterminating christian iraqis

And so will yours be. Don't click on the second link if you want to ever sleep again though.

So, more trying to distract from the current topic. If you gave a crap about Iraqi Christians, you wouldn't be using there plight to score cheap political points, on an entirely different topic. If you really cared, you would comment on what ISIS is doing on one of the existing threads about them.

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 01:21PM

mad muffin wrote: »

My eyes are wide open.

Type into google

isis exterminating christian iraqis

And so will yours be. Don't click on the second link if you want to ever sleep again though.

I think after the IDF bombing children in their sleep we're already well past that point.

Akrasia · 31-07-2014 01:22PM

wes wrote: »

There is a lot the EU can do outside the UN. For one we could remove preferential trade agreements with Israel to start with, remove Israel from taking part in joint scientific research if the organization or University operates in the occupied territories or does weapons research for the IDF, limit access to grants, and ban all products from settlements. The EU is one of Israel largest trading partners. On its own it could hurt the Israeli economy.

Now maybe the US would try and pick up the tab, but that would also cost them dearly.

We should kick Israel out of the Eurovision... That'll show em

mad muffin · 31-07-2014 01:22PM

donegal__road wrote: »

I find it hypocritical and ways ironic, how the western media showed images of children who had been poisoned by a chemical weapons attack in Syria last year, and how western political leaders then used these images to try to manufacture public consent for invading Syria, and over-throw the child-murderer Assad etc.

Meanwhile all I have seen on Facebook this last 2 weeks are images of children's corpses strewn across Gaza, killed by Israeli missiles....

all we hear about this atrocity is 'Israel has the right to defend itself'.

Of course. Don't let facts get in the way of people's righteous indignation.

donegal__road · 31-07-2014 01:23PM

The myth of human shields in Gaza

wes · 31-07-2014 01:23PM

mad muffin wrote: »

So that's it then job done?

That's cute.

I am not the one using the plight of Iraqi Christians to score cheap political points. Quite frankly its disgusting that you are using there plight as a distraction from crimes being committed by the IDF against Palestinians. There are threads discussing ISIS, so post there, if you actually do care, that is.

suicide_circus · 31-07-2014 01:25PM

BazPM wrote: »

Bit rich considering Israel has killed hundreds of children. Even playing football on an empty beach can get you killed

Chill my right-on comrade, there's no isreaeli fleg flying above my marble arch. Just pointing out that what bolivia's current government say or do shouldn't necessarily be given much weight.

donegal__road · 31-07-2014 01:27PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Of course. Don't let facts get in the way of people's righteous indignation.

ok, Assad = ruthless blood thirsty monster who even went as far as to kill all those innocent children in a chemical attack... lets go get him!

Israel = kill innocent defenseless children in missile strikes.... but they have the right to defend themselves.

FFS

mad muffin · 31-07-2014 01:28PM

wes wrote: »

I am not the one using the plight of Iraqi Christians to score cheap political points. Quite frankly its disgusting that you are using there plight as a distraction from crimes being committed by the IDF against Palestinians. There are threads discussing ISIS, so post there, if you actually do care, that is.

What's happening in Iraq are crimes. In Gaza it's war for Israel's survival. So the citizens of Israel can have normal lives and not have to run to bomb shelters every few hours.

The fact that you think a state defending itself from terrorists are criminals is beyond compare.

Gringo180 · 31-07-2014 01:30PM

mad muffin wrote: »

In Gaza it's war for Israel's survival. .

Perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here.

o1s1n · 31-07-2014 01:33PM

mad muffin wrote: »

What's happening in Iraq are crimes. In Gaza it's war for Israel's survival. So the citizens of Israel can have normal lives and not have to run to bomb shelters every few hours.

The fact that you think a state defending itself from terrorists are criminals is beyond compare.

Hamas's rocket attacks are as much a threat to Israel's survival as me throwing stones out my window in their general direction.

And what about Palestinians? Should they not be able to live without the (genuine) threat of attacks?

Or are their lives not as important?

wes · 31-07-2014 01:36PM

mad muffin wrote: »

What's happening in Iraq are crimes.

No disagreement there.

mad muffin wrote: »

In Gaza it's war for Israel's survival.

Rank hypocrisy that you are again making excuses of Israel murderous assault on civilians. The entire idea that a poor impoverish coastal region that is under siege is some how a danger to Nuclear armed Israel is utterly absurd, and shows that your view of the world is delusional.

mad muffin wrote: »

So the citizens of Israel can have normal lives and not have to run to bomb shelters every few hours.

So the Palestinians will still be under siege, and the state of Israel will continue to expand outside her borders, and murder Palestinians as they please. Its Israel that the aggressor, and not the Palestinians. The Israeli government chose this conflict, for there own political ends.

mad muffin wrote: »

The fact that you think a state defending itself from terrorists are criminals is beyond compare.

The fact that you support the murder of civilians, and then use the murder of civilians elsewhere to distract from the issue is disgusting. It should be noted that Israel murder of civilians is defended down to the ground, where as no one in the right mind would defend ISIS.

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