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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #782
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    Akrasia wrote: »
    If my 3 year old disobeys me, it doesn't 'show restraint' if i merely break her legs and knock out all her teeth instead of killing her with my bare hands. (which I could easily do)

    What if she throws a toy at you? Only joking.


  • #783
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Palestinian authorities to file lawsuit against Israel in ICC:

    "Palestinian authorities prepare a lawsuit to the International Criminal Court (ICC) against Israel for committing “war crimes” in Gaza Strip that have already led to the death of nearly 1.3 thousand people, the majority of victims being civilians, al-Arabi al-Jadeed reported late Wednesday."

    "According to the media, Palestinian Minister of Justice Saleem Al-Saqqa is currently working on the plea that he will later send to the ICC."

    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140731/191507666/Palestine-to-File-Lawsuit-Against-Israel-in-ICC---Reports.html

    If the ICC refuse this request or refuse to attempt to prosecute Israel for it's repeated breaches of international law and warcrimes then it will call into question the integrity of that institution.


  • #784
    December2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    If you haven't already watch this then perhaps it might help you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR1LGoNg5p4

    I think he addresses some of the understandable angst you feel and it might help you realize that by remaining a compassionate and empathetic human being you are doing something.

    Thank you - I watched that already this week and it's very touching.

    But the feeling of helplessness remains. This is not a situation that is hidden, it's on our websites and news coverage. We are aware of the killing. We know where it's happening.

    And yet, I cannot stop it.


  • #785
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    JamboMac wrote: »
    Why isn't the UN marching their army into gaza and Israel,

    :confused:


  • #786
    Javan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭Javan


    JamboMac wrote: »
    Why isn't the UN marching their army into gaza and Israel.

    A UN military action would require a resolution of the security council. The USA has a veto on that council and will veto any attempt to resolve to intervene with force.


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  • #787
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    IDF soldier/sniper here posting from Gaza.

    He put up a post on Instagram but now has taken down that said 'I killed 13 children today and your next fcukin muslims go to hell bitches'.He appears to be posing with a sniper rifle.

    Sick individual.

    Lot of people now telling him what they think of him.

    https://twitter.com/daviddovadia


  • #788
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,682 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    JamboMac wrote: »
    Why isn't the UN marching their army into gaza and Israel, this was condemned when hitler did it why does Israel get a free pass, especially since Israel in reality shouldn't exist.
    1. The UN doesn't have an army

    2. The UN security council is dominated by 5 'permanent' members any of who can veto any action by the U.N. and all of whom have conflicting geo-political interests thereby rendering the U.N. utterly impotent in matters of contentious international affairs.
    If this was Afghanistan or Iran doing this to a neighbouring state they would have had 50 b-52 over it the next day.

    Israel should have all weapons taken off them and military ban like the Germans had in world war 1 and 2.
    No, Israel need to be able to defend themselves, but they should face economic sanctions for the flagrant breaches in international law. Unfortunately, the U.N. is paralysed and will not impose sanctions on Israel, and the E.U. will not sanction Israel because 1. Germany will not publically criticise israel for historical reasons, and 2. The E.U. will not put the lives of Palestinian children above international relations with the U.S.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #789
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    December2012 wrote: »
    I feel really weak. There is a part of me that I do not want to acknowledge - that I am powerless to stop any more people being killed.

    I will boycott any products I know are from Israel, but that won't stop today's assaults.

    My sphere of influence is very limited, and most likely anybody who I can influence already agrees with me. That won't stop today's bombings.

    I am one small person in a tiny country with no political or military or financial influence.

    I am a nobody.

    And possibly right now - right this minute as I type - people are being murdered. And I can do nothing.

    That terrifies and depresses me.

    Get out on the streets, go to the protests. You are not weak. If enough of us challenge our Government and put pressure on them we can force them to expel the ambassador. We can be the first in Europe to do so and that in itself will speak volumes. Maybe others will then follow. Be true to your values.

    Protests are starting to become global. No point in us channelling all our outrage on Boards. People need to get out and make their voices heard. I'll be going again today after work outside the Dept of Foreign Affairs. Hopefully I'll see some of you there.


  • #790
    d.pop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭d.pop


    JamboMac wrote: »
    Why isn't the UN marching their army into gaza and Israel, this was condemned when hitler did it why does Israel get a free pass, especially since Israel in reality shouldn't exist.

    If this was Afghanistan or Iran doing this to a neighbouring state they would have had 50 b-52 over it the next day.

    Israel should have all weapons taken off them and military ban like the Germans had in world war 1 and 2.

    While it sounds good on paper, if Israel's defences were removed I think Israel would be overrun by some of its neighbours in short time.
    That would be a big call to make and I can 't see anybody enforcing it. More likely Israel would fight whoever tried it and then there would be all sorts of issues in the region.


  • #791
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    IDF soldier/sniper here posting from Gaza.

    He put up a post but now has taken down that said 'I killed 13 children today and your next fcukin muslims go to hell bitches'.He appears to be posing with a sniper rifle.

    Sick individual.

    Lot of people now telling him what they think of him.

    https://twitter.com/daviddovadia

    RP Account = Role Play Account = Not real...


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  • #792
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    RP Account = Role Play Account = Not real...

    Type his name into Twitter.He is all over it.His car reg.no is 666.What would you expect.

    #DavidDovadia


  • #793
    BikeQueery
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭BikeQueery


    d.pop wrote: »
    No, of course I don't think it's justified, no I am not surprised that the people of gaza are fighting back.
    The whole thing is disgusting.

    At the same time I am not surprised by what Israel is doing. I don't agree with it but Israel has "form" in this regard, this is how they deal with situations like this, whether the rest of us agree or not and perhaps there is another agenda, I don't know, but they are traditionally heavy handed to say the least.
    Based in my time in Israel I feel that there is a deep rooted fear that everybody in the region wants them dead and they need to be the baddest dog in the neighbourhood.
    They do not of course help themselves with their carry on such as settlements and the recent actions in gaza which leads to more people wanting them dead and the circle continues.
    This will not end well or easily.

    Excusing Israel because they have "form". Describing what they're doing as "carry on".

    Keep fooling yourself as to the brutality and evil of it.


  • #794
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Type his name into Twitter.He is all over it.His car reg.no is 666.What would you expect.

    #DavidDovadia

    It's not a real account, I don't know why you're pushing for me to go searching for him.


  • #795
    JamboMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭JamboMac


    Akrasia wrote: »
    1. The UN doesn't have an army

    2. The UN security council is dominated by 5 'permanent' members any of who can veto any action by the U.N. and all of whom have conflicting geo-political interests thereby rendering the U.N. utterly impotent in matters of contentious international affairs.


    No, Israel need to be able to defend themselves, but they should face economic sanctions for the flagrant breaches in international law. Unfortunately, the U.N. is paralysed and will not impose sanctions on Israel, and the E.U. will not sanction Israel because 1. Germany will not publically criticise israel for historical reasons, and 2. The E.U. will not put the lives of Palestinian children above international relations with the U.S.

    Who is Israel defending themselves against as they seem to bully all other nations in that region. The Palestine conflict has basically existed since Israel was created.

    As for the UN I'm sure if the uproar is big enough changes can be made regardless of veto's, because this is a disgrace.

    Hitler didn't stop and neither will Israel.

    Get ready for world war 3.


  • #796
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Get out on the streets, go to the protests. You are not weak. If enough of us challenge our Government and put pressure on them we can force them to expel the ambassador. We can be the first in Europe to do so and that in itself will speak volumes. Maybe others will then follow. Be true to your values.

    Protests are starting to become global. No point in us channelling all our outrage on Boards. People need to get out and make their voices heard. I'll be going again today after work outside the Dept of Foreign Affairs. Hopefully I'll see some of you there.

    People in this country only protest when Garth Brooke's gigs are cancelled... You couldn't get them out when the country was going down the tubes, people are hardly going to protest for this


  • #797
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Get out on the streets, go to the protests. You are not weak. If enough of us challenge our Government and put pressure on them we can force them to expel the ambassador. We can be the first in Europe to do so and that in itself will speak volumes. Maybe others will then follow. Be true to your values.

    Protests are starting to become global. No point in us channelling all our outrage on Boards. People need to get out and make their voices heard. I'll be going again today after work outside the Dept of Foreign Affairs. Hopefully I'll see some of you there.

    Is it an organised protest? I'll head down


  • #798
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    JamboMac wrote: »

    Get ready for world war 3.

    Your proposal for an invasion of Israel by "the UN" will go a long-long way to ensuring that a world war 3 becomes a reality.


  • #799
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    d.pop wrote: »
    No, of course I don't think it's justified, no I am not surprised that the people of gaza are fighting back.
    The whole thing is disgusting.

    At the same time I am not surprised by what Israel is doing. I don't agree with it but Israel has "form" in this regard, this is how they deal with situations like this, whether the rest of us agree or not and perhaps there is another agenda, I don't know, but they are traditionally heavy handed to say the least.
    Based in my time in Israel I feel that there is a deep rooted fear that everybody in the region wants them dead and they need to be the baddest dog in the neighbourhood.
    They do not of course help themselves with their carry on such as settlements and the recent actions in gaza which leads to more people wanting them dead and the circle continues.
    This will not end well or easily.
    BikeQueery wrote: »
    Excusing Israel because they have "form". Describing what they're doing as "carry on".

    Keep fooling yourself as to the brutality and evil of it.


    In fairness he didn't seek to justify it. He is relating his own knowledge of the area and his own reflections. That is commendable.


  • #800
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    twinytwo wrote: »
    People in this country only protest when Garth Brooke's gigs are cancelled... You couldn't get them out when the country was going down the tubes, people are hardly going to protest for this

    Despite all the protests up and down the country? was decent sized one last sat in Dublin.. maybe I imagined it..?


  • #801
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    JamboMac wrote: »
    Who is Israel defending themselves against as they seem to bully all other nations in that region. The Palestine conflict has basically existed since Israel was created.

    As for the UN I'm sure if the uproar is big enough changes can be made regardless of veto's, because this is a disgrace.

    Hitler didn't stop and neither will Israel.

    Get ready for world war 3.

    With Afghanistan the us/uk showed how worthless the UN actually is.

    I dont see why the EU can't act outside of the UN


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  • #802
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    It's not a real account, I don't know why you're pushing for me to go searching for him.

    He posted it on Instagram and account now deleted.Plenty evidence of it on Twitter.


  • #803
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    I get the feeling that if the Palestinian people were wiped off the map, the Israeli supports would say "well at least they got Hamas" just to justify it all.


  • #804
    JamboMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭JamboMac


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    Your proposal for an invasion of Israel by "the UN" will go a long-long way to ensuring that a world war 3 becomes a reality.

    But if their all that nice and friendly and civil then they should just let them walk in otherwise why bother discussing this because Israel sees nothing wrong with eliminating Muslims and I'm sure the American will fund that project forever.


  • #805
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    He posted it on Instagram and account now deleted.Plenty evidence of it on Twitter.

    Evidence of what? It clearly says it's a role play account, it's only new, he has fcuk all posts or followers. I presume you think @god is a real account too?

    It's someone pushing an agenda with a fake account, so just ignore him!


  • #806
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Palestinian authorities to file lawsuit against Israel in ICC:

    "Palestinian authorities prepare a lawsuit to the International Criminal Court (ICC) against Israel for committing “war crimes” in Gaza Strip that have already led to the death of nearly 1.3 thousand people, the majority of victims being civilians, al-Arabi al-Jadeed reported late Wednesday."

    "According to the media, Palestinian Minister of Justice Saleem Al-Saqqa is currently working on the plea that he will later send to the ICC."

    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140731/191507666/Palestine-to-File-Lawsuit-Against-Israel-in-ICC---Reports.html

    If the ICC refuse this request or refuse to attempt to prosecute Israel for it's repeated breaches of international law and warcrimes then it will call into question the integrity of that institution.


    Israel and the US have not ratified the relevant treaty, so it makes no odds.


  • #807
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    wprathead wrote: »
    Despite all the protests up and down the country? was decent sized one last sat in Dublin.. maybe I imagined it..?

    Ah ya you will always get some people out, but I mean a proper protest. I mean which do you think might actually get a reaction from the goverment.. 800 people protesting or 50,000 plus


  • #808
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    twinytwo wrote: »
    I dont see why the EU can't act outside of the UN

    There is a lot the EU can do outside the UN. For one we could remove preferential trade agreements with Israel to start with, remove Israel from taking part in joint scientific research if the organization or University operates in the occupied territories or does weapons research for the IDF, limit access to grants, and ban all products from settlements. The EU is one of Israel largest trading partners. On its own it could hurt the Israeli economy.

    Now maybe the US would try and pick up the tab, but that would also cost them dearly.


  • #809
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    JamboMac wrote: »
    Why isn't the UN marching their army into gaza and Israel, this was condemned when hitler did it why does Israel get a free pass, especially since Israel in reality shouldn't exist.

    If this was Afghanistan or Iran doing this to a neighbouring state they would have had 50 b-52 over it the next day.

    Israel should have all weapons taken off them and military ban like the Germans had in world war 1 and 2.


    First off the UN is an observatory force, there to help civilians. They can't take side. If they did the wouldn't be able to do their job. Countries wouldn't let them in.

    Secondly if you think for one second that the situation in Gaza is the same as Nazi Germany you are way off the mark. These kind of comments are really disgusting.

    Thirdly Israel has every right to exist. Where do you think the Jews came from? Do people think they were born in vacuum?


    And lastly. America goes into country that harbours terrorist that have attacked America.

    Israel supports America, they are allies. There is no reason for America to turn on Israel.


  • #810
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    wes wrote: »
    No, they couldn't just drop a couple of nuclear weapons on them tomorrow, and walk away. They would be a pariah a single second afterwards, they would lose complete US and EU support, and would be put under crippling sanctions.

    Simply put they have to take things slowly, to avoid such a scenario.

    Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on the planet.

    They certainly don't need to drop nukes to make an absolute ****e of the place.

    They have shown restraint.


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  • #811
    beano345
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭beano345


    Having met and talked to Israelis travelling after doing their army service,they have to be some of the most brainwashed people I've ever met,Theres a reason why Thai hostel owners refuse to let them stay in their premises,two were actually killed when I was down there.


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