Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP 28/8

Knex* · 29-07-2014 12:01PM

NoelJ wrote: »

Who did united sign?

Shaw ordered to train on his own by LVG, who stated he was nowhere near fit enough.

Agent Coulson · 29-07-2014 12:01PM

NoelJ wrote: »

Who did united sign?

Shaw.

Van Gaal said he returned to pre season unfit.

Knex* · 29-07-2014 12:03PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Shaw.

Van Gaal said he returned to pre season unfit.

Which is mental considering he had to train with England during the WC.

Did he spend two weeks eating burgers while sitting on his hole playing FIFA?

murpho999 · 29-07-2014 12:04PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Shaw.

Van Gaal said he returned to pre season unfit.

But isn't that what pre-season is about?

ratracer · 29-07-2014 12:06PM

Knex. wrote: »

Shaw ordered to train on his own by LVG, who stated he was nowhere near fit enough.

Surely if he has to do extra training the fat Rooney should be doing extra extra training also???

Francie Barrett · 29-07-2014 12:10PM

ratracer wrote: »

Surely if he has to do extra training the fat Rooney should be doing extra extra training also???

Rooney isn't fat

Harry Palmr · 29-07-2014 12:11PM

Alexandre Lacazette and Mathieu Valbuena between them would fill the remaining holes up top, sign this young right back from Atletico - Javier Manquillo and the squad would nearly be done.

Agger out for 12 million
Toure out for 1 million
Reina - god only knows
Assaidi - 7 million
Borini (yes he will leave) 12 million

That's nearly 30 million back in.Which would leave plenty for the January signing of Ward-Prowse and Nathaniel Clyne! :pac:

Connavar · 29-07-2014 12:12PM

Knex. wrote: »

Which is mental considering he had to train with England during the WC.

Did he spend two weeks eating burgers while sitting on his hole playing FIFA?

Could be a mental play by van gaal. Bring shaw back to the ground having been bought for 30m

Agent Coulson · 29-07-2014 12:13PM

Knex. wrote: »

Which is mental considering he had to train with England during the WC.

Did he spend two weeks eating burgers while sitting on his hole playing FIFA?

murpho999 wrote: »

But isn't that what pre-season is about?

But that's what a holiday is for eating burgers and playing FIFA.

Agree that's what I though pre season was for to get fit for the start of the season.

Maybe he wasn't a Van Gaal signing and he is doing something like what Rodgers did with players he didn't bring in.

Morzadec · 29-07-2014 12:14PM

Knex. wrote: »

Sakho always attacks the ball, and while he wins a huge percentage, he is still liable to over-committing on occasion.

We were linked with Papadopulous, who was the same, and now we have Lovren, who is similar, while not as aggressive for it, in the same manner as Sakho and Papa.

Interesting though that these are the defenders we have signed and been linked too.

I think Lovren has an ideal balance, in terms of knowing when to attack, and when to drop off. He backs himself at the right occasion. I think Sakho is such a physical beast, he backs himself on every occasion, and sometimes this leads to him getting badly beaten, albeit I do thinks it rare.

At 24 and 25, I genuinely feel in a few years, the two of them could be one of the best partnerships around, if injuries etc go their way.

The ceiling for both is much higher than that for Skrtel and Agger, who are still fairly reliable CB's in the right system.

My only issue with playing both Lovren and Sakho, is possibly some growing pains if they both overcommitt, when you don't have one of them having that natural sweeper mentality. Something which saw Ferdinand compliment Vidic so well. Or Carvalho, Terry.

Still, I am very excited to see what they bring to the table over the next few years. Its a huge area of the team to be potentially set in.

Look even at what Dortmund were able to build once they instilled Subotic and Hummels, even.

Just in relation to this and the MNF video, you can really see it in his stats too that he's a "proactive" defender.

He made an average of 2 tackles per game and 2.7 interceptions last year. These are amongst the highest in the league for a centre back in both metrics. That's a trend that continued on from his Lyon days where he was making a lot of interceptions too, so nothing to do with Southampton's system really - this is just the way he plays the game, and the clip with RVP is a good example.

Compared to our centre backs last year (who all had roughly 1.5 per game for each) you can see that Lovren is a little different, a little more aggressive and proactive.

The challenge will be to forge an effective partnership with either Skrtel or Sakho, whereby each player knows his role and knows what the other centre back is going to do as Knex alluded to.

But I do think we may have signed one of the top 5 centre backs in the league. I initially said that 20m was overpaying but I think I might retract that statement. He's definitely the signing I'm most pleased with, as it does look like he will really strengthen the team. If he's as good as he looks and if he plays as well as he did last season, then at 25 years of age I think we might have made a very good signing

ratracer · 29-07-2014 12:14PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Rooney isn't fat

Compared to pics of some other players during the World Cup, Ronney is a slob. I'm not doubting his playing ability or his skill, but he's no athlete IMO

* I would take his weekly wage though, and I'm no cover model

SlickRic · 29-07-2014 12:15PM

Knex. wrote: »

Coutinho, Markovic, Lallana?

We can't play them all, and they will all want to play. They are all good enough to play.

How will Coutinho feel if he spends much of this season sitting on the bench? He'll be gone. And instead of a 23 year old Coutinho, with the world at his feet, we'll be sitting next summer with a 30 yeard old Valbuena.

Good player. Not what we need.

fair point.

i'm just so desperate for quality signings, that i'm not really thinking straight.

in reality, we need another striker - preferably with pace to burn.

mada999 · 29-07-2014 12:23PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

I want.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJOs1MYekzg

does he remind you of someone the way he turns/terrorises defenders and not afraid to run at them.

Doesn't really need to get the head up when in front of goal as he knows where the net is.

there is a rumour that the Remy deal wont hurt as much as we have a good chance of landing him.

Looks class, would he be gettable? How much?

sign him up

Agueroooo · 29-07-2014 12:23PM

Morzadec wrote: »

Have to admit I'd never heard of him until a few days ago. But he does look a very exciting player.

Could see him really having the attributes to compliment the players we have and the way we attack.

How much do you think he would be going for?

€15/€20mil I would say will land it.

Knex* · 29-07-2014 12:25PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

But that's what a holiday is for eating burgers and playing FIFA.

Agree that's what I though pre season was for to get fit for the start of the season.

Maybe he wasn't a Van Gaal signing and he is doing something like what Rodgers did with players he didn't bring in.

Not a month before preseason starts no. Especially when you are 19, and just signed for one of the biggest clubs in the world for 30m.

I'd bloody hang him out to dry, if I was a coach and he came back to me drastically unfit in comparison to others.

Modern Sport, at the professional level, is absolutely brutal. The demands are higher than ever, and you need every advantage you can get. This isn't the 80's, where the Liverpool lads got away with drinking and partying on a regular basis.

Careers are relatively short, and if you want to play at the absolute upper echelon of the game, and the likes of United are certainly that, then you owe it to your Club and teammates to stay fit all year round, barring injury.

The WC this summer, which he was lucky to be involved in, meant whatever relaxed/party time he potentially had was gone, tbh.

Agueroooo · 29-07-2014 12:26PM

Well done Everton.

Lukaku for £24mil.

NoelJ · 29-07-2014 12:27PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Well done Everton.

Lukaku for £24mil.

Any link?

Cjs21 · 29-07-2014 12:29PM

Cavani taken off the posters and ads for the new PSG jerseys.....

Express

Metro

MD1990 · 29-07-2014 12:31PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Well done Everton.

Lukaku for £24mil.

More like well done Chelsea. Lukaku is a decent player but that is too much for a player lacking technique.

Agent Coulson · 29-07-2014 12:33PM

Knex. wrote: »

Not a month before preseason starts no. Especially when you are 19, and just signed for one of the biggest clubs in the world for 30m.

I'd bloody hang him out to dry, if I was a coach and he came back to me drastically unfit in comparison to others.

Modern Sport, at the professional level, is absolutely brutal. The demands are higher than ever, and you need every advantage you can get. This isn't the 80's, where the Liverpool lads got away with drinking and partying on a regular basis.

Careers are relatively short, and if you want to play at the absolute upper echelon of the game, and the likes of United are certainly that, then you owe it to your Club and teammates to stay fit all year round, barring injury.

The WC this summer, which he was lucky to be involved in, meant whatever relaxed/party time he potentially had was gone, tbh.

But that it he is 19 not 29 he should be able to get back into shape after 2/3 weeks hoilday in a week of pre season if he can't do that then there maybe more to it than just his fitness levels.

I agree with you that times have changed and a career is short.

But it's not like he has done a Dean Kiely and came back 3/4 stone over weight.

But I am liking Van Gaal complaining about loads of things that are wrong at Utd or that he sees wrong.

Underpaid Mike · 29-07-2014 12:35PM

Knex. wrote: »

Not a month before preseason starts no. Especially when you are 19, and just signed for one of the biggest clubs in the world for 30m.

I'd bloody hang him out to dry, if I was a coach and he came back to me drastically unfit in comparison to others.

Modern Sport, at the professional level, is absolutely brutal. The demands are higher than ever, and you need every advantage you can get. This isn't the 80's, where the Liverpool lads got away with drinking and partying on a regular basis.

Careers are relatively short, and if you want to play at the absolute upper echelon of the game, and the likes of United are certainly that, then you owe it to your Club and teammates to stay fit all year round, barring injury.

The WC this summer, which he was lucky to be involved in, meant whatever relaxed/party time he potentially had was gone, tbh.

Bit harsh on Shaw lads to be fair
If you read the full LVG interview what he says is that he wants Shaw as a wing back not just a left back so he wants him to work on some things.
I assume that could simply mean crossing along with his stamina obviously.
As others have said thats what pre season is for. Shaw came back from holidays a week early to train with United so its not as if he has turned into fat frank overnight or something.

Exact quotes

'Luke needs to be fit and he’s not very fit and can’t perform how I want. He needs to be fit and to train individually.
'I can’t judge why. I see what I see. I have spoken with him and we have made a programme with him.
'He has agreed. We will have to see how long it takes. I don’t know.
'I have heard good messages from Tony Strudwick the fitness coach.'

Knex* · 29-07-2014 12:35PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

But I am liking Van Gaal complaining about loads of things that are wrong at Utd or that he sees wrong.

I'm not. I'd far prefer that he was unable to identify them

Agent Coulson · 29-07-2014 12:38PM

Knex. wrote: »

I'm not. I'd far prefer that he was unable to identify them

I just can't wait till he say something about Alex hanging around Old Trafford to much and distracting everyone :pac:

The stare down between those two would be epic.

RasTa · 29-07-2014 12:40PM

A wing back is a lot different then a LB which he is used to so not surprised he isn't fit enough for the role tbh.

Agent Coulson · 29-07-2014 12:47PM

Anyone know if Lovren has gone over to the states?

Cjs21 · 29-07-2014 12:49PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Anyone know if Lovren has gone over to the states?

SSN said yesterday he was flying out to join them so I presume he has.

viper006 · 29-07-2014 12:50PM

MD1990 wrote: »

More like well done Chelsea. Lukaku is a decent player but that is too much for a player lacking technique.

Lacking technique? He young and has a lot to learn no doubt but was lethal last season. Plenty excellent technique plenty of times last season. Great player and signing for them.

Many laughed at Everton last season as a group of loan buys but they have now made Barry and lukaku perm signings and we actually the team that lost our best player.

Am worried by attacking players the teams around us are signing while we lose suarez. Really hope BR signs a quality attacker.

taidghbaby · 29-07-2014 12:50PM

That Lacazette highlights video is by far the best highlights video (excluding Ronaldinho) that I've seen in a long time!

MD1990 · 29-07-2014 12:55PM

viper006 wrote: »

Lacking technique? He young and has a lot to learn no doubt but was lethal last season. Plenty excellent technique plenty of times last season. Great player and signing for them.

Many laughed at Everton last season as a group of loan buys but they have now made Barry and lukaku perm signings and we actually the team that lost our best player.

Am worried by attacking players the teams around us are signing while we lose suarez. Really hope BR signs a quality attacker.

He has a poor first touch. Origi at the World Cup outshone him & we got him for 10m. Lukaku is a good striker but way overpriced. I think your forgetting Sturridge was the 2nd top scorer in the PL despite missing about 10 games. We do obvioulsy need another forward.

Harry Palmr · 29-07-2014 01:06PM

taidghbaby wrote: »

That Lacazette highlights video is by far the best highlights video (excluding Ronaldinho) that I've seen in a long time!

He's not that good! But he is tidy and "tekkerz", unafraid to run with the ball and shoot quickly. Is the obvious player to rotate with Sturridge

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP 28/8

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