Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

joe123 · 27-07-2014 04:34PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Joe what happened you used to be one of the optimistic ones!

Suarez + our summer transfers

27-07-2014 04:36PM

joe123 wrote: »

Suarez + our summer transfers

More players will come in, it's early days. I'd rather they come in asap as it's 3 weeks to the first game.

But yeah, it's been underwhelming so far

Sappy404 · 27-07-2014 04:38PM

joe123 wrote: »

Not arguing the fact that if the club feel he wasnt right medically then to pull out.

Concerned though that links all Summer were with the likes of Wilfred Bony and Jay Rodriguez.

Neither good enough and Bony at 20 million is insane. Sturridge is injury prone and the fact is we will struggle if Lambert and Borini are our only alternatives.

Name one transfer we have made so far that strengtens our first 11? All business we have done this summer improves the squad but flies in the face of what Rodgers stated he wanted.

The league starts in 22 days.

Personally I don't think it's possible to improve our starting 11 on last season's since Suarez left. Right now, any fast, powerful player who knows where the goal is would thrive in this squad and improve our first team on what it is presently.

In any case, our squad outside the first team was horrific. If you think only first-teamers needed replacement I think you might be barking up the wrong tree when assessing our business so far.

By the way, we won't be looking at Rodriguez as an alternative to Remy. He's even less fit to play than Remy is right now.

kfallon wrote: »

Remy has done it for QPR and Newcastle, Bony could (but might not) be a one season wonder like Newcastle's Cissé or indeed our very own Andy Carroll. Plus we will be paying over twice as much for Bony as we were going to pay for Remy.

Bony is a decent footballer from what we've seen but I think £20m is too much for him. Will happily eat humble pie, my hat and me flute if he gets 20 league goals for Liverpool this season tho!

Bony has had one season in the PL but take a look at his record elsewhere if you think there's a risk of him being a one-season wonder. And as I said, the medical issue explains Remy's low price. If Remy was 100% fit but also cost £20m, would you be happy to pay it?

mayordenis · 27-07-2014 04:40PM

Actually pretty sickened about Remy, think he's a very good footballer who would get goals, and a front 3 of Sturridge, Remy and Sterling would be **** to play against.

On the other hand the medical team have certain issues they can't take a risk on, so **** happens.

I'm not sure what way they'll go with it but it does leave the door open for a particularly exciting striker purchase, which would be a treat.

viper006 · 27-07-2014 04:41PM

Sappy404 wrote: »

Interesting that you want the £8m player because of the goals he scores, but don't want the £20m player despite the 17 league goals he scored.

The likelihood is Remy was priced so cheap because of this medical problem. It also explains his pay cut. Personally I'd much rather a fit Bony at £20m than an unfit Remy at £8m.

Lambert borini and bony is piss poor strike force cover for sturridge. Not good enough for champions league. No pace at all there and a huge Downgrade on what we had last season. I really hope we don't blow 20m on bony, we need to get a pacy striker he can press defenders and score goals at the highest level. Bony strikes me of more of target man kind of striker, we have a cheaper version of him in Lambert.

kfallon · 27-07-2014 04:42PM

Sappy404 wrote: »

Bony has had one season in the PL but take a look at his record elsewhere if you think there's a risk of him being a one-season wonder. And as I said, the medical issue explains his low price. If Remy was 100% fit but also cost £20m, would you be happy to pay it?

Ceteris Paribus I'd rather have Remy than Bony, yes!

Iused2likebusts · 27-07-2014 04:48PM

I wonder if we could get Remy on loan. He is surely going to fail medicals at every club and doesn't seem to want to play for QPR.

Fescue · 27-07-2014 04:50PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I wonder if we could get Remy on loan. He is surely going to fail medicals at every club and doesn't seem to want to play for QPR.

In my opinion Remy was seen as a cheaper alternative to Bony. Just push for Bony. We know there are not many quality goal scorers out there.

joe123 · 27-07-2014 04:51PM

Sappy404 wrote: »

Personally I don't think it's possible to improve our starting 11 on last season's since Suarez left. Right now, any fast, powerful player who knows where the goal is would thrive in this squad and improve our first team on what it is presently.

In any case, our squad outside the first team was horrific. If you think only first-teamers needed replacement I think you might be barking up the wrong tree when assessing our business so far.

By the way, we won't be looking at Rodriguez as an alternative to Remy. He's even less fit to play than Remy is right now.

Fair enough on the replacement of Suarez, its not possible but we definitely need an upgrade on Borini/Lambert. I wonder is the delay on Borini leaving linked to Remys medical?

We needed a new left back, we needed a defensive midfielder, we needed a right back. Can has looked good in pre season but like all our signings its more potential than anything else.

If someone said these are your signings, you would argue that this is the best we can do without Champions League. The thing is we havent brought in one player that would dislodge ANY of our first 11.

For teams that want to challenge for titles, you need your top players battling other players for their places. Say if Sturridges form drops, would you be confident with Lambert stepping in?

Harry Palmr · 27-07-2014 04:52PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I wonder if we could get Remy on loan. He is surely going to fail medicals at every club and doesn't seem to want to play for QPR.

Insurance might still be an issue and its also possible that this may be more than just an annoyance for internet posters, and the Remy heart condition that has been lurking is now more acute. We don't know.

Iused2likebusts · 27-07-2014 04:58PM

Fescue wrote: »

In my opinion Remy was seen as a cheaper alternative to Bony. Just push for Bony. We know there are not many quality goal scorers out there.

Would bony not just be an out and out striker. For 20 million he would have to be a regular starter which means 2 up front. The great thing about Remy is you could use him out wide and centrally if sturridge is out. Maybe Rodgers plans to keep 2 up front I've just got it into my head that with suarez gone it will be sturridge centrally flanked by 2 players.

Zapp Brannigan · 27-07-2014 05:07PM

Apparently Remy was set to wear No.7 as well.

Guess we'll just give that jersey to Reus instead.

Sappy404 · 27-07-2014 05:18PM

joe123 wrote: »

Fair enough on the replacement of Suarez, its not possible but we definitely need an upgrade on Borini/Lambert. I wonder is the delay on Borini leaving linked to Remys medical?

We needed a new left back, we needed a defensive midfielder, we needed a right back. Can has looked good in pre season but like all our signings its more potential than anything else.

If someone said these are your signings, you would argue that this is the best we can do without Champions League. The thing is we havent brought in one player that would dislodge ANY of our first 11.

For teams that want to challenge for titles, you need your top players battling other players for their places. Say if Sturridges form drops, would you be confident with Lambert stepping in?

I reckon we could easily play a 4-3-3 with Markovic playing instead of Suarez, with Sterling opposite, ahead of 3 from Gerrard/Can/Hendo/Coutinho/Allen. Of course all of this is moot because we're definitely in the market for another striker, just as we're clearly in for a new starting full back or two.

5live · 27-07-2014 05:18PM

joe123 wrote: »

Fair enough on the replacement of Suarez, its not possible but we definitely need an upgrade on Borini/Lambert. I wonder is the delay on Borini leaving linked to Remys medical?

We needed a new left back, we needed a defensive midfielder, we needed a right back. Can has looked good in pre season but like all our signings its more potential than anything else.

If someone said these are your signings, you would argue that this is the best we can do without Champions League. The thing is we havent brought in one player that would dislodge ANY of our first 11.

For teams that want to challenge for titles, you need your top players battling other players for their places. Say if Sturridges form drops, would you be confident with Lambert stepping in?

I would be happy with Lambert stepping in, tbh.

We will be playing with a different focus this year, more varied formations against different teams depending on form and fitness of our squad.

Lambert isn't the only striker we will have come the end of the transfer window but his ability to hold up play and bring others into play allied to his heading ability will be a big addition to our matchday squad.

The squad was poor last year with a choice of 14 players to play. Now we have a very good squad and some different options in our first 11. Yes, the first team is weaker but, imo, the squad is better allowing better substitutions and rotation of off form players without weakening the first 11 a lot.

Agent Coulson · 27-07-2014 05:20PM

If Lovren is a done and fingers crossed it is.

Then we still need IMO a Keeper, LB, RB & a Striker.

livinginkorea · 27-07-2014 05:25PM

Hope we have a plan B in place now.

Feel sorry for the guy, how often does one fail a medical at this level of sport?

Kirby · 27-07-2014 05:27PM

Sappy404 wrote: »

Interesting that you want the £8m player because of the goals he scores, but don't want the £20m player despite the 17 league goals he scored.

The likelihood is Remy was priced so cheap because of this medical problem. It also explains his pay cut. Personally I'd much rather a fit Bony at £20m than an unfit Remy at £8m.

He wasn't "priced" cheap at all. The player himself insisted on an 8.5 million buyout clause for any Champions league club before he signed his original contract. The club are probably delighted they get to keep him.

Raif Severance · 27-07-2014 05:33PM

The Transfer Period isn't over and yet we are already having Meltdowns.

This Place..

Cjs21 · 27-07-2014 05:42PM

Borini looking to cool off the rumours that he's leaving?

Agent Coulson · 27-07-2014 05:43PM

We paid to much for Lallana & Markovic. We are paying to much for Lovren.

We are not signing Remy, Richie Lambert isn't good enough!

We sold our best player for only £$€60/65/70/75m depending on who you believe.

The season is over before it starts!!

I love this thread so much

Harry Palmr · 27-07-2014 05:45PM

Cjs21 wrote: »

Borini looking to cool off the rumours that he's leaving?

Christ on a wobbly bike, Fab is on the sauce?! :pac:

Sappy404 · 27-07-2014 05:47PM

Kirby wrote: »

He wasn't "priced" cheap at all. The player himself insisted on an 8.5 million buyout clause for any Champions league club before he signed his original contract. The club are probably delighted they get to keep him.

I'd be skeptical of that TBH. All I've heard from Redknapp on the issue of Remy leaving suggests that they would be very happy to be rid of him - publicly stating he has a low clause, 'if it was up to me I'd sell him', etc. I put it down to his reputation/character before but this medical issue explains it too.

T-K-O · 27-07-2014 05:51PM

Sappy404 wrote: »

I'd be skeptical of that TBH. All I've heard from Redknapp on the issue of Remy leaving suggests that they would be very happy to be rid of him - publicly stating he has a low clause, 'if it was up to me I'd sell him', etc. I put it down to his reputation/character before but this medical issue explains it too.

QPR love nothing more than an over the hill has-been on high wages. They need to offload Remy's salary to keep Rio & CO. in check.

Harry couldn't lie straight in bed.

Sappy404 · 27-07-2014 05:56PM

T-K-O wrote: »

QPR love nothing more than an over the hill has-been on high wages. They need to offload Remy's salary to keep Rio & CO. in check.

Harry couldn't lie straight in bed.

I think the idea of QPR wanting to keep Remy is completely at odds with what I've read from Redknapp. That's all I'm saying. It wouldn't benefit Redknapp to say "I'd sell him i was up to me, p.s. he has a very low release clause" if the club had any intention of keeping him.

Techniques07 · 27-07-2014 05:58PM

klose · 27-07-2014 06:25PM

I really want a subway now

marno21 · 27-07-2014 06:48PM

Cjs21 wrote: »

Borini looking to cool off the rumours that he's leaving?

Borini is being economical and perhaps it's cheaper for him to fly into Liverpool and get the train to Sunderland rather than fly direct to Sunderland?

ollie1 · 27-07-2014 06:51PM

What channel is the match on tonight?

Agent Coulson · 27-07-2014 06:52PM

If Erin O’Neill wanted to go to Timbuktu I'd happily follow let alone the City of Liverpool.

mooseknunkle · 27-07-2014 07:04PM

ollie1 wrote: »

What channel is the match on tonight?

Sky sports 1 ,man city vs ac milan is on before it @20:55

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