Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

Nodin · 26-07-2014 11:49PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Yes. Dead right.

Why did you lie about Hamas being allied with ISIS?

end of the road · 27-07-2014 12:01AM

mad muffin wrote: »

It's pretty easy to understand actually.

It made them jaded, un accepting of anything but their total survival.

Israel said never again will we be victims from now on we will use all our might to defend ourselves. No matter the consequences.

After years of suicide bombers, rocket attacks, threats of complete and total annihilation. This is the result.

Loads of innocent men, women and children dead, wounded, uprooted and with no kind of future.

Whilst I think that there are those in Israel that are happy to see this suffering. Many more would rather this never happened.

Ultimately. I lay the blame for this bloodshed on Hamas's head. The blood,of the innocent are on Hamas's hands. They are the ones that would not let civilians leave, they are the ones who attacked Israel, attacked the innocent civilian population of Israel, and they are the ones stockpiling their ammunitions and weapons amongst the Palestinian population.

This was Hamas's end game. They could not ever hope to wage war on Israel in a conventional manner.

All they could do is wage war in the arena of public opinion. Ultimately no one wins but Hamas.

yes, blame hamas for the fact that people can't leave where they are. israel decided to start the blockade, israel decided to not allow the people of gaza to leave, hamas are no angels but they are not fully to blame, israel is as much if not more to blame, end, of, discussion.

fta93 · 27-07-2014 12:14AM

Anti war demonstration in Tel Aviv. 'Forgive Us' spelt out in 1043 candles - the number dead in Gaza.

You sense the tide is beginning to turn a bit. The decent, grounded Israelis don't want any of this, no matter what their government and PR plants tell us.

Lots of Jews all over the world protesting against Israels brutality. Heartening to see, let's hope it can guilt the Israel Defence force and government to cop the f*ck on.

fta93 · 27-07-2014 12:20AM

getzls wrote: »

If you support Hamas then you support Terrorism.
Common theme amongst Irish Republicans.

This is the first excuse or slander from the pro Israeli/child killers.

1. If you support Palestine civilians you're a left wing socialist republican Shinner.

2. Being pro Palestine makes you pro Hamas.

3. Being pro Palestine means you hate all Jews and you're anti-Semitic.

Repeat ad nauseum if you're pro "Israels right to defend themselves by killing unarmed innocent children.

end of the road · 27-07-2014 12:21AM

mad muffin wrote: »

Your concerns are also one sided. Does that suit your agenda? There could have been far less casualties if Hamas would let people leave. Stop using UN facilities to store munitions.

let them leave to where, for the last time, they can't go anywhere, they are blocked via land air and sea, they can't go anywhere

end of the road · 27-07-2014 12:26AM

mad muffin wrote: »

Egypt? Would Egypt not take the refugees in?

yeah, an unstable country run by a military junta should take in the refugees from a warzone, what an absolutely fantasticly brilliant idea

end of the road · 27-07-2014 12:31AM

mad muffin wrote: »

You say murder, I say casualties of war.

and you'l agree then that the israely civilians and soldiers are the same?

end of the road · 27-07-2014 12:37AM

mad muffin wrote: »

Yes I've seen the picture. The utter destruction. I feel very sorry for the children. Very sorry. I feel very sorry for the people that want to leave.

But I put the blame squarely on Hamas and the people that voted them in.

yes, its all the fault of people electing a government democratically that another country decides to bomb the **** out of them, if they were jews themselves would that be different?

fta93 · 27-07-2014 12:40AM

mad muffin wrote: »

Your concerns are also one sided. Does that suit your agenda? There could have been far less casualties if Hamas would let people leave. Stop using UN facilities to store munitions.

They've no where to Leave to as Israel, surprise surprise, have blockaded Gaza. As mentioned here earlier, they've nowhere to go, they're natural resources will quickly run out, but you just expect them to up and leave, while ignoring the fact Israel say who or what leaves Gaza.

The UN school Israel bombed yesterday killing many including UN teachers was confirmed by the UN as storing no weapons. Keep believing your propaganda. Oh wait, the UN are probably anti Israel and biased etc.

I forgot, it's the children's fault for being there isn't it? If it was Israeli civilians being murdered I wonder if you'd be as quick to write them off as "casualties of war".

And if, by agenda, you mean I have an agenda to not see children murdered, then I'm fcking proud to have an agenda. Unlike the child killer apologists. Oh I forgot, "casualties of war".

end of the road · 27-07-2014 12:41AM

getzls wrote: »

No defending Israel or Israel should not defend themselves?

Hamas is the beast that must be destroyed.

you mean the IDF? a group firing mostly ineffective rockets verses a military prepared to slaughter on a wim? i think i know which one is the beast that needs to be destroyed

end of the road · 27-07-2014 12:44AM

getzls wrote: »

If you support Hamas then you support Terrorism.
Common theme amongst Irish Republicans.

yawn. you just cannot resist bringing irish republicans into threads can you?

Tail Docker · 27-07-2014 12:52AM

end of the road wrote: »

yes, its all the fault of people electing a government democratically that another country decides to bomb the **** out of them, if they were jews themselves would that be different?

See, here's a popular misconception. Israel isn't really a Jewish state. My old lad was Jewish, so to an extent, so am I. It passes maternally, so I'm sort of an outcast, but whatever. Thing is, Israel was founded by the Askenazis, my old lad was the son of a prominent Ashkenazi Jew. My surname is an Ashkenazi surname. There aren't that many of them, it's a small but powerful set.

They're a very mercenary lot, the Askenazis, which brings me to my point. Being classed as "Jewish" is a flag of convenience for them. It provides a cover. You cannot criticise Judaism, that's anti-semitic, and that's Bad, so a no-no. Which is great, if you plan on acting the gowl.

So, what we have here is an Ashkenazi state, proclaiming its Judaism, and wreaking havoc, but beyond criticism by the International body politic as who else has suffered such persecution down the years as the Jews themselves?. The persecuted cannot be accused of persecution. Thing is, they aren't the persecuted, not really. Which is where the genius lies.

hju6 · 27-07-2014 12:59AM

Tail Docker wrote: »

See, here's a popular misconception. Israel isn't really a Jewish state. My old lad was Jewish, so to an extent, so am I. It passes maternally, so I'm sort of an outcast, but whatever. Thing is, Israel was founded by the Askenazis, my old lad was the son of a prominent Ashkenazi Jew. My surname is an Ashkenazi surname. There aren't that many of them, it's a small but powerful set.

They're a very mercenary lot, the Askenazis, which brings me to my point. Being classed as "Jewish" is a flag of convenience for them. It provides a cover. You cannot criticise Judaism, that's anti-semitic, and that's Bad, so a no-no. Which is great, if you plan on acting the gowl.

So, what we have here is an Ashkenazi state, proclaiming its Judaism, and wreaking havoc, but beyond criticism by the International body politic as who else has suffered such persecution down the years as the Jews themselves?. The persecuted cannot be accused of persecution. Thing is, they aren't the persecuted, not really. Which is where the genius lies.

Are the Khazars in power in Israel as well ?

Tail Docker · 27-07-2014 01:05AM

hju6 wrote: »

Are the Khazars in power in Israel as well ?

That is still disputed by scholars. I do believe that Russia has more Khazar in it than Israel. History is great, isn't it. So forgotten, yet so relevant. A little Rus, and a lot of sian. The Khazars are the Ashkenazis bolder brothers.

spongebob89 · 27-07-2014 01:06AM

Anyone care to explain to me what is going on with Israel and Palestine, I know their bombing eachother but thats about it, but why are they fighting ? Whats it all about ?

Someone educate me on the whole thing

Tail Docker · 27-07-2014 01:15AM

spongebob89 wrote: »

Anyone care to explain to me what is going on with Israel and Palestine, I know their bombing eachother but thats about it, but why are they fighting ? Whats it all about ?

Someone educate me on the whole thing

That, old son, would require you to go back in time, to a mercenary King of the Hessians, and as the previous poster said, the Khazars. It's a long and interesting story.

Karl Stein · 27-07-2014 01:25AM

end of the road wrote: »

you just cannot resiste brining irish republicans into threads can you? yawn

He imagines that Israel/Palestine is the north, Union/loyalists are Israelis and Republicans/Nationalists are Palestinians.

The north is not Israel. Union/loyalists are the minority in Ireland and are facing a future as a minority in the north. The former Orange/loyalist 'culture' of lording it over nationalists is over and is never coming back.

Ironically union/loyalists' future within the union depends on how happy non-unionists are with their lot.

duckysauce · 27-07-2014 01:37AM

getzls wrote: »

No defending Israel or Israel should not defend themselves?

Hamas is the beast that must be destroyed.

with 1000 dead people get a grip -- its all down to money and ****in greed

Tail Docker · 27-07-2014 01:45AM

duckysauce wrote: »

with 1000 dead people get a grip -- its all down to money and ****in greed

In as much as?

Kippure · 27-07-2014 01:47AM

Not a word from RTE news about 3000 or more people marching in Dublin to end the siege of Gaza. Or in other parts of the world.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/gaza-protests-across-ireland-and-the-world-1.1879548

Worthless news reporting organization. :mad:

Tail Docker · 27-07-2014 01:53AM

Kippure wrote: »

Not a word from RTE news about 3000 or more people marching in Dublin to end the siege of Gaza. Or in other parts of the world.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/gaza-protests-across-ireland-and-the-world-1.1879548

Worthless news reporting organization. :mad:

On the upside, they're relentlessly positive...

Guy:Incognito · 27-07-2014 02:19AM

People seem to have a big issue in the disparity in the number of dead. If Hamas had better weapons/Isreal worse defences and were landing rockets on buildings in Isreal (as they are presumably trying to do with their rockets) resulting in 1000 dead on each side, would it still be a case of marching for Gaza , Isreal is evil etc or would it just be a case of it being another war , lets move on with our lives? Lets be honest, theres plenty of war going on , but this one seems to be flavour of the month. Theres conflicts still going on that people were up in arms about before but now this one takes over it seems to be a case of "this cause is better than that cause, lets forget those people" , ie the same attitude people love to get all indignant about the media over.

dav3 · 27-07-2014 02:38AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

People seem to have a big issue in the disparity in the number of dead. If Hamas had better weapons/Isreal worse defences and were landing rockets on buildings in Isreal (as they are presumably trying to do with their rockets) resulting in 1000 dead on each side, would it still be a case of marching for Gaza , Isreal is evil etc or would it just be a case of it being another war , lets move on with our lives? Lets be honest, theres plenty of war going on , but this one seems to be flavour of the month. Theres conflicts still going on that people were up in arms about before but now this one takes over it seems to be a case of "this cause is better than that cause, lets forget those people" , ie the same attitude people love to get all indignant about the media over.

That's a fine bit of whataboutery. It is possible to give support to multiple causes around the world and in Ireland and I'm sure many people do.

There are many factors for getting involved in this one. I think the fact that Israel are deliberately targeting children and committing war crimes has struck a cord with many people. Any good will that israel once had, has been wiped out.

There is also the fact that every now and then a pro-israeli pops up spouting their propaganda trying to muddy the water.

The past few weeks has led many to the conclusion that israel is run by psychopathic war criminals with a bloodlust for killing innocent children and pregnant women and must be stopped sooner rather than later.

Guy:Incognito · 27-07-2014 02:45AM

dav3 wrote: »

The past few weeks has led many to the conclusion that israel is run by psychopathic war criminals with a bloodlust for killing innocent children and pregnant women and must be stopped sooner rather than later.

So who are Hamas aiming their rockets at? By that logic are they not psychopathic war criminals too, albeit poorly equipped ones?

wp_rathead · 27-07-2014 02:53AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

People seem to have a big issue in the disparity in the number of dead. If Hamas had better weapons/Isreal worse defences and were landing rockets on buildings in Isreal (as they are presumably trying to do with their rockets) resulting in 1000 dead on each side, would it still be a case of marching for Gaza , Isreal is evil etc or would it just be a case of it being another war , lets move on with our lives? Lets be honest, theres plenty of war going on , but this one seems to be flavour of the month. Theres conflicts still going on that people were up in arms about before but now this one takes over it seems to be a case of "this cause is better than that cause, lets forget those people" , ie the same attitude people love to get all indignant about the media over.

If if if
we not dealing with hypothetical situations
we dealing with real peoples deaths..

Guy:Incognito · 27-07-2014 02:58AM

wprathead wrote: »

If if if
we not dealing with hypothetical situations
we dealing with real peoples deaths..

So drop them some decent weapons, up the death toll on the Isreali side and let everyone lump it in with the rest of the wars they briefly cared about and get back to spending their Saturdays in the pub or shopping or whatever else they normally do.

dav3 · 27-07-2014 03:00AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So who are Hamas aiming their rockets at? By that logic are they not psychopathic war criminals too, albeit poorly equipped ones?

Not really. In 13 years they have managed to kill 28 people. More Israelis kill their own than by rockets.

Compare that to the hundreds of children that have been killed in the past few days and it's not even possible for people to claim 'both sides are as bad as each other' any more.

donegal__road · 27-07-2014 03:48AM

Kippure wrote: »

Not a word from RTE news about 3000 or more people marching in Dublin to end the siege of Gaza. Or in other parts of the world.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/gaza-protests-across-ireland-and-the-world-1.1879548

Worthless news reporting organization. :mad:

They are pathetic, and so are the Indo... here is how they word Israel's genocide

'fighting claims 1000 lives'.... there is no fighting, Israel has systematically blown the fcuk out of Gaza, killing hundreds of innocent civilians in the process, including 170 children... 4 of whom were playing on a beach.

call that Fighting?

This will come back on Israel.

hatrickpatrick · 27-07-2014 04:10AM

The Palestinian regime is comprised of terrorists.
The Israeli regime is comprised of terrorists.

The reason for Palestinijn terrorism (wanting the return of stolen property in the form of illegally settled land) , while not iustifying terrorism, is a legitimate cause.
The reason for Israeli terrorism (wanting more land for themselves regardless of ownership) is entirely illegitimate.

Of these two terrorist regimes, the West condemns one and shields the other.

Is it really so difficult to understand why so many despise the Osraeli side and sympathise with the Palestinian side, in this context?

getzls · 27-07-2014 04:41AM

spongebob89 wrote: »

Anyone care to explain to me what is going on with Israel and Palestine, I know their bombing eachother but thats about it, but why are they fighting ? Whats it all about ?

Someone educate me on the whole thing

The Arabs want to kill every Jew.
Even down to the last baby.
Israel rightly will defend her-self to prevent this.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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