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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    Blood money indeed.
    BUT there is really no defending Israel.
    No defending Israel or Israel should not defend themselves?

    Hamas is the beast that must be destroyed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    getzls wrote: »

    Hamas is the beast that must be destroyed.
    Obviously irrespective of the cost to civilians according to the Israeli apologists!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    getzls wrote: »
    No defending Israel or Israel should not defend themselves?

    Hamas is the beast that must be destroyed.


    Hysteria. Nice one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    getzls wrote: »
    No defending Israel or Israel should not defend themselves?

    Hamas is the beast that must be destroyed.

    Dehumanise them,

    the best way to say we are prepared to indiscriminately kill 150 children


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    getzls wrote: »
    No defending Israel or Israel should not defend themselves?

    Hamas is the beast that must be destroyed.

    the way hamas is set up....it cant be destroyed....by mass killing civilians (that's what isreal is at tbf) is only strenghing hamas

    the only way is deal with them properly and through discussion....how many innocents will they kill before the us pulls its support???

    what they are now is so far beyond self defense...it is an insult to the word


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Nodin wrote: »
    Hysteria. Nice one.
    Def Leppard's best album, in my view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,613 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    getzls wrote: »
    No defending Israel or Israel should not defend themselves?

    Hamas is the beast that must be destroyed.

    At the moment Hamas is being strengthened by your Israeli friends.
    Hamas will also now be supported by millions from all around the globe thanks to your friends, the Israeli murderers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Def Leppard's best album, in my view.


    I was only ever marginally impressed. When they took the guitars away and added synths to "rock of ages" it was game over.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    Dehumanise them,

    the best way to say we are prepared to indiscriminately kill 150 children

    If you support Hamas then you support Terrorism.
    Common theme amongst Irish Republicans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    At the moment Hamas is being strengthened by your Israeli friends.
    Hamas will also now be supported by millions from all around the globe thanks to your friends, the Israeli murderers.

    Wow that's like going from criticising Hitler to supporting Stalin.

    Israel don't deserve anyone's support but neither do Hamas!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    getzls wrote: »
    If you support Hamas then you support Terrorism.
    Common theme amongst Irish Republicans.

    Brilliant is that a formula?

    Actually a theorem?

    Of course, its one of natures immutable laws


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Wow that's like going from criticising Hitler to supporting Stalin.

    Israel don't deserve anyone's support but neither do Hamas!

    who will stand up for plastine....after seeing the pictures coming out....I wouldn't condemn anyone for supporting hamas now (killing them 3 young lads was wrong though)
    but killing a 1000+ innocents....id sooner have hamas fighting my corner than be sitting around waiting for my house/neighbourhood levelled by isreal


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    I watched the news there today. Dreadful images. The Israeli Military have pretty much reduced Gaza to rubble. To me, that's about the most sickening thing I have seen in a while. Wanton, ruthless destruction. No, I don't care what the justification was, the act itself was evil. Simple as.
    Don't worry

    with a per capita income a tiny fraction of Israel's and easy access to imported building materials they'll soon be able to rebuild :rolleyes:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/friedman-whose-garbage-is-this-anyway.html?_r=0
    Meanwhile, Gaza, which has been woefully mismanaged by Hamas, is pumping all its drinking water from its coastal aquifer at triple its renewable rate of recharge. As a result, saltwater is seeping in. Last year, the U.N. said that by 2016 there will be no potable water left in Gaza’s main aquifer. Gaza has no big desalination plant and would not have the electricity to run it anyway. I don’t want to be here when 1.5 million Gazans really get thirsty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,613 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Wow that's like going from criticising Hitler to supporting Stalin.

    Israel don't deserve anyone's support but neither do Hamas!

    Unfortunately for Israel Hamas will now get loads of support so these kind of events will become more common.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    If Israel hates Hamas so much, why did it fund it?

    Yes, and America funded the Taliban. Doesn't mean, when the snake comes back to bite you, you don't cut off its head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    The Dahiya Doctrine is central to these operations and refers to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks on Lebanon in 2006. Maj. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot said that this would be applied elsewhere:

    "What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on. […] We will apply disproportionate force on it and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases."

    Israel has kept true to this promise. The 2009 UN Fact-Finding Mission to the Gaza Conflict, better known as the Goldstone Mission, concluded “from a review of the facts on the ground that it witnessed for itself that what was prescribed as the best strategy [Dahiya Doctrine] appears to have been precisely what was put into practice.”

    According to the National Lawyers Guild, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, Israel directly targeted civilians or recklessly caused civilian deaths during Operation Cast Lead. Far from avoiding the deaths of civilians, Israel effectively considers them legitimate targets."

    http://www.thenation.com/article/180783/five-israeli-talking-points-gaza-debunked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,642 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    wes wrote: »
    I am far from a fan of the IDF, but a lot of them are conscripts, who are being made to fight, or they will potentially face jail time from what I understand.

    That's incorrect. I've known people who did service in the IDF and only the full timers are front line personnel and even then they have to have had a few years behind them.

    There is a National Service model, but no proper conscription, as far as I know.

    The men and women on National Service are never put in harms way, in terms of a front line situation, but still a lot of them loath the year or two that they have to do, as the uniform makes them a target.

    The people I knew that did their service absolutely HATED it. There are ways out of it, but nowadays, it's extremely frowned upon to dodge your National Service.
    wes wrote: »
    Ultimately, the blame falls on Netanyahu, an truly awful man, who chose this war for his own political purposes. IMHO, the man is a sick, twisted, and hateful racist, with the blood of both Palestinians and the Israeli's who have died during this conflict.

    Believe it or not there are those who would make Bibi look like a liberal moderate.

    Israel has been going through a significant change in recent years. There has been a definite rise in a right-wing mindset, that would happily see the end of the Palestinians and a full takeover of both Gaza and the West Bank. This is unfortunate, as the majority of old school Israeli Jews used to be more moderate and from a Socialist-Left background, with a far more progressive outlook for the region.

    Their voice has all but been snuffed out, it seems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,642 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Both sides in this conflict are awful and all, but one thing is for sure, Israel are really good at war slaughtering innocent civilians.

    FYP ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    hju6 wrote: »
    Letter from a Norwegian Doctor working in Shifa Hospital


    The last night was extreme. The "ground invasion" of Gaza resulted in scores and carloads with maimed, torn apart, bleeding, shivering, dying - all sorts of injured Palestinians, all ages, all civilians, all innocent.

    The heroes in the ambulances and in all of Gaza's hospitals are working 12-24 hour shifts, grey from fatigue and inhuman workloads (without payment all in Shifa for the last 4 months), they care, triage, try to understand the incomprehensible chaos of bodies, sizes, limbs, walking, not walking, breathing, not breathing, bleeding, not bleeding humans. HUMANS!

    Now, once more treated like animals by "the most moral army in the world" (sic!).

    My respect for the wounded is endless, in their contained determination in the midst of pain, agony and shock; my admiration for the staff and volunteers is endless, my closeness to the Palestinian "sumud" gives me strength, although in glimpses I just want to scream, hold someone tight, cry, smell the skin and hair of the warm child, covered in blood, protect ourselves in an endless embrace - but we cannot afford that, nor can they.

    Ashy grey faces - Oh NO! Not one more load of tens of maimed and bleeding, we still have lakes of blood on the floor in the ER, piles of dripping, blood-soaked bandages to clear out - oh - the cleaners, everywhere, swiftly shovelling the blood and discarded tissues, hair, clothes,cannulas - the leftovers from death - all taken away ... to be prepared again, to be repeated all over. More then 100 cases came to Shifa in the last 24 hrs. Enough for a large well trained hospital with everything, but here - almost nothing: no electricity, water, disposables, drugs, OR-tables, instruments, monitors - all rusted and as if taken from museums of yesterday's hospitals. But they do not complain, these heroes. They get on with it, like warriors, head on, enormously resolute.

    And as I write these words to you, alone, on a bed, my tears flow, the warm but useless tears of pain and grief, of anger and fear. This is not happening!

    An then, just now, the orchestra of the Israeli war-machine starts its gruesome symphony again, just now: salvos of artillery from the navy boats just down on the shores, the roaring F16, the sickening drones (Arabic 'Zennanis', the hummers), and the cluttering Apaches. So much made in and paid by the US.

    Mr. Obama - do you have a heart?

    I invite you - spend one night - just one night - with us in Shifa. Disguised as a cleaner, maybe.

    I am convinced, 100%, it would change history.

    Nobody with a heart AND power could ever walk away from a night in Shifa without being determined to end the slaughter of the Palestinian people.

    But the heartless and merciless have done their calculations and planned another "dahyia" onslaught on Gaza.

    The rivers of blood will keep running the coming night. I can hear they have tuned their instruments of death.

    Please. Do what you can. This, THIS cannot continue.


    Mads Gilbert MD PhD
    Professor and Clinical Head
    Clinic of Emergency Medicine
    University Hospital of North Norway

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12920-letter-from-gaza-by-a-norwegian-doctor

    Prof Gilbert doesn't need to be there. A man of his clinical and academic standing putting himself in harms way to help those who desperately need such help. When we saw a hospital being struck by 12 tanks shells during the week, an ICU unit, surgical ward and admin offices destroyed. Nobody is safe in Gaza, not even the UN, not even the Medics. He could have quite a comfortable and privileged life back in Europe but he choose not too. It's quite possible Prof Gilbert could be killed during the course of his work and it is for these reasons, that he is a true hero to me. He spoke to Jon Snow 24 hours ago and at that stage he reported that 166 children had been killed and 1310 children were injured by Israeli forces. The toll has inevitably risen since then....
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b1f_1406315954

    @ 4:38 - Dr. Mads Gilbert, Professor in emergence from the University of Northern Norway. Working in the Al Shifa Hospital Gaza.
    "The number and fraction of children killed or injured is unusually high. Meaning that the Israeli's are relentlessly killing and injuring children."



    Over 1500 children killed or injured represents nothing less than a slaughter. And it really demonstrates how powerful the Zionist lobby is in Washington. When they can do as they please, disregard the Geneva Convention and Human Rights all in pursuit of their greater Israel and their Lebensraum. But one thing gives me hope for the future though and that is the immeasurable toughness and resolve of the Palestinian people. Try as they might, the Israeli 'army' will not defeat them or crush the Palestinian desire for freedom. The ordinary decent Israeli people will grow tired of the stain that this Zionist government places upon them. So I've no doubt one day, the lunatics of the far right will lose their stranglehold and we'll see a government elected interested in the pursuit of peace not war.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭Icepick


    who will stand up for plastine....after seeing the pictures coming out....I wouldn't condemn anyone for supporting hamas now (killing them 3 young lads was wrong though)
    but killing a 1000+ innocents....id sooner have hamas fighting my corner than be sitting around waiting for my house/neighbourhood levelled by isreal

    And who refused a truce several times?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Icepick wrote: »
    And who refused a truce several times?

    Both sides


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Yes, and America funded the Taliban. Doesn't mean, when the snake comes back to bite you, you don't cut off its head.
    Why did Israel fund Hamas?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Israel agrees to 24-hour Gaza ceasefire

    Israel has accepted a UN request for a 24-hour ceasefire in Gaza, but warns the army will act if it is breached by Palestinian militants.

    A crisis cabinet meeting extended Saturday's truce until midnight on Sunday (21:00 GMT).

    This comes despite Hamas militants firing rockets, rejecting Israel's earlier move to prolong the initial 12-hour ceasefire by four hours.

    Hamas said it wanted a complete stop to fighting and an end to Gaza's blockade.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28507951


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    At the moment Hamas is being strengthened by your Israeli friends.
    Hamas will also now be supported by millions from all around the globe thanks to your friends, the Israeli murderers.

    Seeing those pics and the reports of dead kids makes me want to join em ffs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    who will stand up for plastine....after seeing the pictures coming out....I wouldn't condemn anyone for supporting hamas now (killing them 3 young lads was wrong though)
    but killing a 1000+ innocents....id sooner have hamas fighting my corner than be sitting around waiting for my house/neighbourhood levelled by isreal

    Hamas didn't kill the 3 Israeli kids and Israel have admitted this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Why did Israel fund Hamas?

    They thought the PLO was worse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    mad muffin wrote: »
    They thought the PLO was worse.
    But, but, but, I thought Hamas were the devil incarnate?

    So what you're saying, at best for Israel, is that it didn't know its arse from its elbow in terms of what it was doing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    the people firing weapons are assholes on both sides. as usual

    Yes. Dead right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Wow that's like going from criticising Hitler to supporting Stalin.

    Israel don't deserve anyone's support but neither do Hamas!
    It is actually completely accurate though (that Israels actions only strengthen Hamas). Irish people of all people should know that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,608 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Just doing some reading up on Boaz Modai (Israeli Ambassador) and came across this gem
    Boaz Modai, Head of the Instruction Branch in the Foreign Ministry, admitted to harassing a woman in his office, police told Ynet Wednesday.

    The man's former employee submitted a complaint to Jerusalem police, after receiving late-night hang-ups from an unidentified phone number for several weeks.

    Police opened an investigation and discovered that the anonymous caller was Modai. According to one police source, he admitted to the calls, explaining that the woman had spread a rumor that he had been having an affair.

    This had cost him many sleepless nights, he said, and thus "there was no reason for the complainant to sleep well."

    Jerusalem police reported the incident to the Foreign Service commission, along with a recommendation that Modai stand trial. In the meantime, he received a restraining order.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3382506,00.html

    How he is still employed as a diplomat, let alone as a chief ambassador is laughable. What an absolute scumbag.


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