Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

Dempsey · 26-07-2014 06:34PM

AdamD wrote: »

Must be pretty disheartening when your manager who has a proven track record of not playing young players goes out and signs Eto'o and Drogba who are both far inferior at this point in their careers.

He should have the self belief to prove himself the better option

26-07-2014 06:37PM

Dempsey wrote: »

He should have the self belief to prove himself the better option

He has proven it during his loan spells. Its just ignorance to consider him anything but a better option than Drogba this season or Ba/Torres/Eto'o last.

Dempsey · 26-07-2014 06:45PM

AdamD wrote: »

He has proven it during his loan spells. Its just ignorance to consider him anything but a better option than Drogba this season or Ba/Torres/Eto'o last.

Ba ran riot for West Ham & Newcastle but dried up at Chelsea because the demands are greater. A penalty miss made Lukaku go back to within his comfort zone rather than fight for his place and prove that he is the best option at Chelsea. Some players dont handle well other players pushing them hard for a place, Lukaku seems to be one of those players.

Turtwig · 26-07-2014 07:04PM

Or José has no idea how to utilise strikers and build confidence in them. They either come in working order or they don't work at all.

Dempsey · 26-07-2014 07:07PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Or José has no idea how to utilise strikers and build confidence in them. They either come in working order or they don't work at all.

Ah yes, his famed man management skills falls flat on its face when it comes to strikers...

Remember that it was Lukaku that forced his loan move to Everton

Lukker- · 26-07-2014 07:11PM

AdamD wrote: »

He has proven it during his loan spells. Its just ignorance to consider him anything but a better option than Drogba this season or Ba/Torres/Eto'o last.

I watched him closely last season. He looked average a lot for Everton, his first touch can be pretty awful at times.

He asked to go after missing a penalty in the Super Cup. It was evident from the outset, when he signed as an 18 year old, he expected to play every game when that didn't happen he demanded a loan.

He has got a serious attitude problem, he appears to expect everything to be handed to him without earning it. If he was willing to stay and play as 2nd choice striker this season, he'd easily get 25 games to prove himself. But the only noise from him has been negative.

Right now I don't think he'd start for any team with Champions League aspirations, look at his performances for Belgium in the World Cup, I don't think he can hack it yet when the pressure is on. I think he prefers to be a big fish in a little pond to be perfectly honest.

That said, I hope José puts an arm around him and he is kept, he'd be the best back-up option ideally with Torres sold. But if he's not willing to fight for you, what good is he?

26-07-2014 07:20PM

Lukker- wrote: »

I watched him closely last season. He looked average a lot for Everton, his first touch can be pretty awful at times.

He asked to go after missing a penalty in the Super Cup. It was evident from the outset, when he signed as an 18 year old, he expected to play every game when that didn't happen he demanded a loan.

He has got a serious attitude problem, he appears to expect everything to be handed to him without earning it. If he was willing to stay and play as 2nd choice striker this season, he'd easily get 25 games to prove himself. But the only noise from him has been negative.

Right now I don't think he'd start for any team with Champions League aspirations, look at his performances for Belgium in the World Cup, I don't think he can hack it yet when the pressure is on. I think he prefers to be a big fish in a little pond to be perfectly honest.

That said, I hope José puts an arm around him and he is kept, he'd be the best back-up option ideally with Torres sold. But if he's not willing to fight for you, what good is he?

This is just typical Mourinho bull****. Have you ever seen an interview with Lukaku? Hes quite clearly a young lad with his head screwed on determined to make the most of his potential. He started last season as the 4th choice behind 3 average strikers and left to get proper game time. His 'attitude problems' is just Mourinho propaganda. Hes been mishandled by the management at a club with a dreadful track record at bringing through young talent. His goal record is outstanding for a 21 year old and if Chelsea lose him they'll seriously regret it in a couple of years time.

Rayne Wooney · 26-07-2014 07:23PM

AdamD wrote: »

This is just typical Mourinho bull****. Have you ever seen an interview with Lukaku? Hes quite clearly a young lad with his head screwed on determined to make the most of his potential. He started last season as the 4th choice behind 3 average strikers and left to get proper game time. His 'attitude problems' is just Mourinho propaganda. Hes been mishandled by the management at a club with a dreadful track record at bringing through young talent. His goal record is outstanding for a 21 year old and if Chelsea lose him they'll seriously regret it in a couple of years time.

He did himself no favours at the World Cup, definitely and attitude problem there

Mourinho has no time for potential anyway, if Lukaku becomes good Mourinho will still be able to buy a player just as good.

CSF · 26-07-2014 07:32PM

AdamD wrote: »

He has proven it during his loan spells. Its just ignorance to consider him anything but a better option than Drogba this season or Ba/Torres/Eto'o last.

What has he proven during loan spells? He has never performed to the level you'd expect from the striker at a title contender. Never.

26-07-2014 07:37PM

CSF wrote: »

What has he proven during loan spells? He has never performed to the level you'd expect from the striker at a title contender. Never.

17 in 35 (Lots of sub appearances) for West Brom.
15 in 31 for Everton.

Hes 21 years old. More than proven his worth to be Chelsea's second choice.

Drogba's first 2 seasons at Chelsea (aged 26):
10 in 26
12 in 29

Actually baffling how people aren't impressed by Lukaku, the guy is only going to get better and better. His numbers also compare favourably to Rooney at that age who played a big role for a title winning team.

Hangballlouie · 26-07-2014 07:49PM

Paully D wrote: »

Cristian Rodriguez, ex-PSG, Porto and Atletico Madrid looks set to sign for Sunderland as a free agent per local press on Twitter.

Indeed, but why Chelsea seem completely averse to giving him a chance, I'll never know.

Opta tweeted out that he has 32 goals in 76 Premier League appearances which works out at a goal just over every 2 games, and Football 365 had an article up earlier which cited that only Van Persie has scored more Premier League goals than him over the last two seasons. He's only turned 21 a couple of months ago!

I wonder if something has gone on behind the scenes at Chelsea, because it would seem idiotic for them to put all their eggs in the Diego Costa basket and let a kid who has proven he can do it in the Premier League go.

Add Suarez and Sturridge to that list also Paully.

CSF · 26-07-2014 07:50PM

AdamD wrote: »

17 in 35 (Lots of sub appearances) for West Brom.
15 in 31 for Everton.

Hes 21 years old. More than proven his worth to be Chelsea's second choice.

Drogba's first 2 seasons at Chelsea (aged 26):
10 in 26
12 in 29

Actually baffling how people aren't impressed by Lukaku, the guy is only going to get better and better. His numbers also compare favourably to Rooney at that age who played a big role for a title winning team.

Less than a goal a game for a player who isn't particularly creative or with very good linkup play isn't impressive enough to be making the Chelsea team, and he doesn't seem happy to come in and be backup to Costa.

Comparing Lukaku to Drogba who had attributes in his game that Lukaku will never have is silly. Quoting stats alone when the stats aren't even that impressive is sillier.

The chap's all round game just isn't of the level that you need to be the striker for a title winner.

EuropeanSon · 26-07-2014 07:56PM

CSF wrote: »

Less than a goal a game for a player who isn't particularly creative or with very good linkup play isn't impressive enough to be making the Chelsea team, and he doesn't seem happy to come in and be backup to Costa.

Comparing Lukaku to Drogba who had attributes in his game that Lukaku will never have is silly. Quoting stats alone when the stats aren't even that impressive is sillier.

The chap's all round game just isn't of the level that you need to be the striker for a title winner.

Who the **** scores a goal a game?

26-07-2014 07:59PM

CSF wrote: »

Less than a goal a game for a player who isn't particularly creative or with very good linkup play isn't impressive enough to be making the Chelsea team, and he doesn't seem happy to come in and be backup to Costa.

Comparing Lukaku to Drogba who had attributes in his game that Lukaku will never have is silly. Quoting stats alone when the stats aren't even that impressive is sillier.

The chap's all round game just isn't of the level that you need to be the striker for a title winner.

His stats are very impressive for his age.

5live · 26-07-2014 07:59PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Who the **** scores a goal a game?

Suarez.

CSF · 26-07-2014 08:00PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Who the **** scores a goal a game?

Sorry I meant to say every 2nd game.

CSF · 26-07-2014 08:01PM

AdamD wrote: »

His stats are very impressive for his age.

His all round performances less so. Very little to indicate that he can come in and take the reigns for Chelsea up front, and he has seemed unwilling to play 2nd fiddle.

Turtwig · 26-07-2014 08:05PM

His movement for Everton was impressive for most of the season.

I really hope he gets another season there to develop. If he moves to the wrong place it could seriously hamper him.

CSF · 26-07-2014 08:12PM

Turtwig wrote: »

His movement for Everton was impressive for most of the season.

I really hope he gets another season there to develop. If he moves to the wrong place it could seriously hamper him.

I honestly think his movement is terrible. Lacks a football brain.

Alfred Borden · 26-07-2014 08:21PM

Dont get the Lukaku hype either tbh.

Turtwig · 26-07-2014 08:26PM

CSF wrote: »

I honestly think his movement is terrible. Lacks a football brain.

Are you judging that off the Belgian system at the world cup or the Everton one? Because for the latter it was dynamic and bloody impressive.

Turtwig · 26-07-2014 08:30PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Dont get the Lukaku hype either tbh.

It's not hype, he may make a brilliant player, he may not, but folks are dismissing purely because Chelsea don't seem interested in him. To be fair, I can see why, but he does look like a player who can be top club material. Whether he makes it or not is another matter. Judging his world cup display is harsh. He carried Everton for large parts of last season.

Drexel · 26-07-2014 08:39PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Dont get the Lukaku hype either tbh.

I'd have him at Arsenal in a second. People are forgetting this guy is only 21. Massive talent

Agueroooo · 26-07-2014 08:41PM

Lukaku has improved in line with the standard of team he has played in.

I truly believe that if he was a front man in a top side you would see all that promise come shining through.

bantee · 26-07-2014 08:41PM

Lukaku will be a success again if he stays at Everton, he has the potential to be an average of a 20 goal a season man.

tupac_healy · 26-07-2014 09:21PM

Out of interest...

All these people that 'don't get' the hype about Lukaku.... Who exactly do ye support? Only asking as bar City and Utd he would WALK into any other first team line up....

Including Chelsea IMO, can't get my head around why they won't give him a genuine shot...

It's scary he's only 21

brianregan09 · 26-07-2014 09:41PM

We should really just have a Lukaku thread, rather than taking up the transfer thread talking about him

Paully D · 26-07-2014 09:58PM

hangballlouie wrote: »

Add Suarez and Sturridge to that list also Paully.

I'm not sure how they didn't think of Suarez to be honest, but Sturridge and Lukaku are equal over the last two seasons (Premier League).

2012/2013

Sturridge - 1 goal with Chelsea, 10 with Liverpool
Lukaku - 17 with West Brom

2013/2014

Sturridge - 21 with Liverpool
Lukaku - 15 with Everton

Total of 32 each.

Corholio · 27-07-2014 01:12AM

Soooo transfers then.....

Jenkinson to Hull on loan maybe. Robertson from Dundee Utd to Hull too.

eagle eye · 27-07-2014 01:14AM

I don't believe the bull some people are spewing about Lukaku. The lad is only 21 years old as is already a proven performer in the Premier League. He is only going to get better over the next couple of years.

At his age RVP scored 6 goals in 28 appearances in the Dutch league, Didier Drogba scored 7 goals in 30 games for Le Mans in Ligue 2, Alan Shearer scored 4 goals in 36 league games for Southampton.

Who are we comparing the lad to? There are very few players that have broken through and are playing first team football at his age. Its ridiculous to suggest he is not good enough for Chelsea with what he has achieved at his young age.

Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

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