ISIS blows up ancient Burial site and Mosque of Jonah (of the whale story) in Mosul

FTA69 · 25-07-2014 06:30PM

Piliger wrote: »

No it's not an attitude. It's a fact and your choice to ignore it is your own. Your complete nonsense about Iraq only undermines your post.

There's an Iraqi lad in my boxing club who's training to be an engineer. I must inform him later on that he's a primitive savage. I don't know how he will take the news though.

Muise... · 25-07-2014 06:31PM

Pyr0 wrote: »

They have contributed a lot to the world and society. For a long period of time the Muslim world were at the forefront of scientific, cultural and mathematical development, it wasn't until the 16th/17th centuries that Western Europe began to catch up in these fields.

They are the ones who told us (of European and Graeco-Roman heritage) about Zero, which completely changed our mathematics. Being desert-dwellers and sailors (Phoenicians), they also had a grand view of the stars and so were leagues ahead of us on astronomy too.

We Irish can hold our heads up as outsiders too, given that our monks kept Classical texts going throughout the so-called "Dark Ages", when central Europe was in flux and the best scientific and cultural advances were being made on the margins.

sabat · 25-07-2014 06:34PM

Piliger wrote: »

No it's not an attitude. It's a fact and your choice to ignore it is your own. Your complete nonsense about Iraq only undermines your post.

You ever heard of what the Americans did to Babylon? They turned one of the greatest archaeological sites in the world and probably the most famous ancient city in history into an army base.

foreign troops and contractors bulldozed hilltops and then covered them with gravel to serve as parking lots for military vehicles and trailers. They drove heavy vehicles over the fragile paving of once-sacred pathways. The report also says that forces built barriers and embankments to protect the base, pulverizing ancient pottery and bricks that were engraved with cuneiform characters. They dug trenches where they stored fuel tanks for their helicopters, which landed near an ancient theater. Among the structures that suffered the most damage, according to the report, were the Ishtar Gate and a processional thoroughfare. Experts also say troops filled their sandbags with soil from a site that was littered with archaeological fragments.
Bricks were looted as well -- both those of Babylonian vintage

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/28/AR2009072802835.html

Sand · 25-07-2014 06:59PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I understand that the Muslim faith frowns upon idolising anything. I can appreciate it too when you see the idolisation that goes on in the Catholic church. But this kind of thing just makes no sense to me, I don't understand how they can attack their own heritage like that, the tomb of their profit, it just makes no sense. I'm disgusted, I can't imagine how decent Muslims must feel about this, it must be heart breaking and scary to have people like that move in around you.

From their perspective, anything human built which inspires awe, respect, reverence or admiration is an affront to god. That tomb was an impressive structure, built by human hands. It highlighted what human ingenuity and creativity could do with simple tools. God has not been proven to build anything to rival it.

Their brand of Islam is a harsh one taken from the desert tribes of the Saudi peninsula which for thousands of years contributed little or nothing to human civilisation. Even the admired Arabic civilisation of medieval times was essentially borrowed from the ruins of the Hellenistic and Persian empires those desert tribes conquered. When they conquered Alexandria, they ordered the library there (whatever had survived the earlier Christian fundamentalist mobs) to be burned - The Koran was the only book. Any book that agreed with the Koran was surplus to requirements. Any book that disagreed with the Koran was sacrilegious. There was a constant struggle between the desert tribe roots of Islam and the urban civilisations it spread into -a struggle that continues to this very day.

To these crazies, any work of human ingenuity, creativity or art is an affront to their god, who to their mind ought to be the only thing admired and respected. Deep down at the heart of all religious thought is a very strong anti-human thread. There is a constant hatred of civilisation, and a yearning for a holier, golden age that can be retrieved if luxuries are cast aside and human creativity crushed. If they can reduce humanity to huddled masses, living in rags amongst the ruins, then only God can be admired. That's why they destroyed the tomb.

end of the road · 25-07-2014 07:07PM

Piliger wrote: »

This kind of thing used to bother me but not any more. These primitive muslim societies haven't contributed anything to the world or to society for a millennia, and the value of these ancient edifices are long gone. Blow them all up I say ... we in the real civilisations of the world have moved on. by a thousand years.

what drivel, these buildings are of extreme historical signifficance whether you believe in religion or not

Tail Docker · 25-07-2014 07:09PM

Victor wrote: »

Christianity wasn't formed until 800 years after Jonah.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but it is hard to say that. Saddam brought purges, brutalisation of the population, the Iran-Iraq War, the Tanker War, the Kuwait War and wars with the Shia and Kurds in the 1990s and finally the Iraq War.

Or so we're told..

Donkey Oaty · 25-07-2014 07:11PM

We should destroy these ISIS people unless it worsens our access to oil.

conorhal · 25-07-2014 07:33PM

ScumLord wrote: »

At least that made some sort of sense, different religion and all. Blowing up their own Mosques and desecrating the tomb of their own profit just makes no sense at all.

They're Sunni fanatics, I assume that the mosque was a Shia shrine, no doublt some of Paisley's ludites would have been happy to see the Vatican blown to smithereens even though it's a Christian place of worship.

Nodin · 25-07-2014 07:46PM

conorhal wrote: »

They're Sunni fanatics, I assume that the mosque was a Shia shrine, no doublt some of Paisley's ludites would have been happy to see the Vatican blown to smithereens even though it's a Christian place of worship.

They blow up both Sunni and Shia shrines. They're iconoclasts.

Nodin · 25-07-2014 07:46PM

Piliger wrote: »

What a complete joke.

A fairly accurate one though.

conorhal · 25-07-2014 07:52PM

Sand wrote: »

Even the admired Arabic civilisation of medieval times was essentially borrowed from the ruins of the Hellenistic and Persian empires those desert tribes conquered. When they conquered Alexandria, they ordered the library there (whatever had survived the earlier Christian fundamentalist mobs) to be burned - The Koran was the only book.

It largely true that much Islamic scholarship was built on a foundation Greek, Persian and Roman learning, all of which was lost to the West with the fall of the Roman empire and only remenants remained in places like monastic libraries, but the Eastern part of the empire remained largely uneffected and still influenced by the cultures of their conquerers. It could be said that European learning collapsed with the fall of an empire, but Middle Eastern learning collapsed with the rise of one. Islam's spread slowly strangled it.
You also correctly identify their motivations, these creatures have a hatered of learning and seem determined to take a Pol Pot-esque 'year zero' approach to dismantling society so as to ensure a compliant population. There's nothing so dangerous to these ludites ideology as an educated individual.

conorhal · 25-07-2014 08:04PM

Nodin wrote: »

They blow up both Sunni and Shia shrines. They're iconoclasts.

We've had their like in Europe too, Savanorola and his 'Bonfire of the Vanities', and of course the Protestant reformation which in England commited one of the worst acts of cultural vandalism the world has ever seen, every monastaries library was burned and who know what was lost to that puritanical zeal, but at least here it never lasted long, Savanorola was hanged and the puritans were told to piss off to America.

mad muffin · 25-07-2014 08:06PM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Cue mention of crusades, Salem witch trials, Madeleine laundries, etc.

Remind me if anything such as that has happened in the last 10 years? 20?

NewCorkLad wrote: »

The good old USA have a lot to answer for throughout the Middle East

I would think it's the good old UK That have forever fúcked up the middle east

What I don't understand is, where are the indignant protest from Muslims and "friends of Muslims groups"?

Why aren't they on the streets and demanding they have their religion back?

Why aren't they saying they've had enough of these extremists that have hijacked Islam?

Friend Computer · 25-07-2014 08:07PM

Piliger wrote: »

What a complete joke.

Did you not say "blow them all up", referring to Muslims? Genocide hasn't been restricted to the Nazis but your use of dehumanising language is rather similar.

Thankfully people like you exist only on the fringes and people have, for the most part, learned the lesson of what happens when people like you get into power.

Calibos · 25-07-2014 08:14PM

Muise... wrote: »

They are the ones who told us (of European and Graeco-Roman heritage) about Zero, which completely changed our mathematics. Being desert-dwellers and sailors (Phoenicians), they also had a grand view of the stars and so were leagues ahead of us on astronomy too.
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A nitpick, but every single person on the planet had, 'a grand view of the stars' up till 100 years ago when the electric street lamp was invented.

Iwasfrozen · 25-07-2014 08:16PM

Nodin wrote: »

They blow up both Sunni and Shia shrines. They're iconoclasts.

Agreed but shrines are far more important to Shi'ites than they are to Sunnis.

Calibos wrote: »

A nitpick, but every single person on the planet had, 'a grand view of the stars' up till 100 years ago when the electric street lamp was invented.

You Irish? We have a rubbish view of the stars and it's nothing to do with lights.

wp_rathead · 25-07-2014 08:21PM

Friend Computer wrote: »

Did you not say "blow them all up", referring to Muslims? Genocide hasn't been restricted to the Nazis but your use of dehumanising language is rather similar.

Thankfully people like you exist only on the fringes and people have, for the most part, learned the lesson of what happens when people like you get into power.

to be fair think he meant the mosques and shrines that should be allowed "blow them all up"

Still load of auld bollocks though

end of the road · 25-07-2014 08:21PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Remind me if anything such as that has happened in the last 10 years? 20?

I would think it's the good old UK That have forever fúcked up the middle east

What I don't understand is, where are the indignant protest from Muslims and "friends of Muslims groups"?

Why aren't they on the streets and demanding they have their religion back?

Why aren't they saying they've had enough of these extremists that have hijacked Islam?

would you go out on the streets where these nutters are? thought not

renegademaster · 25-07-2014 08:36PM

kneemos wrote: »

No doubt if the US could breath life back into Saddam they'd be more than happy with his brand of madness over what's happening at the moment.

i'd say they knew well the conequences of removing Saddam and the rest of their moves the last 14 years, a multitude of endless wars to spend the poppy field dollars on, where will it all end?

Manach · 25-07-2014 08:42PM

conorhal wrote: »

, all of which was lost to the West with the fall of the Roman empire and only remenants remained in places like monastic libraries.

Somewhat incorrect - in the for a time after the Roman empire fell, there was a breakdown in societal technology and learning in Western Europe. But from around 700 onwards there were gradual advances made till by the Millenium, productivity in land usage surpassed that of the Roman era in parts of Europe.

fly_agaric · 25-07-2014 08:55PM

Sand wrote: »

Deep down at the heart of all religious thought is a very strong anti-human thread. There is a constant hatred of civilisation, and a yearning for a holier, golden age that can be retrieved if luxuries are cast aside and human creativity crushed. If they can reduce humanity to huddled masses, living in rags amongst the ruins, then only God can be admired. That's why they destroyed the tomb.

And yet - Shopping Secrets of the taliban revealed

seem to like their nice stuff when they can get it same as any other people, Probably think they are worth it, the asceticism and suffering is for people they lord it over and terrorise!

Muise... · 25-07-2014 09:17PM

Calibos wrote: »

A nitpick, but every single person on the planet had, 'a grand view of the stars' up till 100 years ago when the electric street lamp was invented.

A counter-nitpick, but we have far more frequent cloud cover than the Mediterranean/Fertile Crescent/Arabian Peninsula/Sahara. It's been over a decade since I saw the Perseids properly and it wasn't down to streetlight.

smurfjed · 25-07-2014 10:13PM

And yet if any European country gets involved with these fanatics, we must ensure that we protect their human rights....

Victor · 25-07-2014 10:45PM

mad muffin wrote: »

What I don't understand is, where are the indignant protest from Muslims and "friends of Muslims groups"?

Why aren't they on the streets and demanding they have their religion back?

Why aren't they saying they've had enough of these extremists that have hijacked Islam?

For every major protest in Iraq, there is bound to be at least one suicide bomber.

ISIS blows up ancient Burial site and Mosque of Jonah (of the whale story) in Mosul

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