Smoking in Pubs after hours

El Weirdo · 25-07-2014 10:18AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The smoking ban is for the benefit of employees, not other customers. So those people saying the law stoppped once they closed the shutters are completely wrong. It doesn't matter if it's only the boss and his mates left over, if someone is being paid to serve them then the law is being broke. sure, the op could leave his paid for pint and get out but why should he have to? And what about the bar staff who are stuck there?

The attitudes here are typical of the hypocritical bull**** you see throughout the country. Everyone wants to get rid of corruption and see the law obeyed, except when it's enforced on them.

Do we know that the barman isn't a smoker?

Ihatecuddles · 25-07-2014 10:38AM

paddyland wrote: »

Oh wow. You sound like such a cool person. Go you.

How sad.

Hard as nails :rolleyes:

paddyland · 25-07-2014 10:39AM

Fluxfan wrote: »

Why did you feel the need to say this?!

Do you know the worst part about dying of lung cancer?

You can't sh1t any more. The part of your body that controls that stops working. So you are constipated, with the worst constipation you ever had in your life. Because it never gets better. You end up screaming in agony.

There are no drugs the doctor can give you to make that pain go away. You are stuck with it. The best you can hope for is that after hours of agony, a bit leaks out. Then your friends and loved ones have the humiliation of mopping you up like a baby. Then, after a couple of hours, the agony starts all over again.

Until finally, you die.

Shanotheslayer · 25-07-2014 10:41AM

Rogers830 wrote: »

He's hardly going to leave a fresh pint, just cos they want to kill themselves with that sh!te doesn't mean he should have to, stop being so literal when you say forced, obviously they didn't shove it down his throat you moron

If it was such a problem tor him he would have left the pint.

Little CuChulainn · 25-07-2014 10:43AM

Patww79 wrote: »

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I'd be more anti-alcohol than anti-smoking. But please, go on with your strawman.

El Weirdo wrote: »

Do we know that the barman isn't a smoker?

It doesn't matter. You cannot put employees in that position. It's unfair to them. "Hey, we're going to have a lock in where we smoke? Are you a smoker or do I have to send you home?"

leeroybrown · 25-07-2014 10:49AM

I agree. I don't think that the employees should have to work in a pub full of smokers even if the doors are closed. However, that doesn't change the fact that the OP lost pretty much any "right" he had to complain when he stayed there after hours drinking.

El Weirdo · 25-07-2014 10:50AM

How do we know that the barman wasn't the licensee/owner of the pub, therefore not an employee?

Shanotheslayer · 25-07-2014 10:50AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I'd be more anti-alcohol than anti-smoking. But please, go on with your strawman.

It doesn't matter. You cannot put employees in that position. It's unfair to them. "Hey, we're going to have a lock in where we smoke? Are you a smoker or do I have to send you home?"

Where's the barmans option of him being a non smoker but maybe he doesn't moan about people smoking? Seriously every smoke thread just has people whinging just to get there point across.

porsche959 · 25-07-2014 10:51AM

paddyland wrote: »

Do you know the worst part about dying of lung cancer?

You can't sh1t any more. The part of your body that controls that stops working. So you are constipated, with the worst constipation you ever had in your life. Because it never gets better. You end up screaming in agony.

There are no drugs the doctor can give you to make that pain go away. You are stuck with it. The best you can hope for is that after hours of agony, a bit leaks out. Then your friends and loved ones have the humiliation of mopping you up like a baby. Then, after a couple of hours, the agony starts all over again.

Until finally, you die.

It sounds as though you have strong anti-smoking opinions possibly due to losing someone close to you to lung cancer. If so, I'm sorry.

Nevertheless, must ask, I take it you are consistent on this and would favour a complete ban on the internal combustion engine, given the studies strongly suggestive of a link between traffic fumes and the 10% of lung cancers patients who never smoked?

I personally don't smoke and preferably don't even being like being around smokers, but consistency is important if one is occupying the moral highground, yes? Otherwise people might that one is being a mite hypocritical?

And there are other cancers not linked to smoking, and other illness, that are just as dreadful as lung cancer in the closing stages.

fleet_admiral · 25-07-2014 10:51AM

Gone are the days when customers appreciated a lock in. We had one nightly in an old job of mine, the ash trays came out and the jukebox was put to full volume. Not one customer complained. They could even order in chips if they wanted

Nerro · 25-07-2014 10:56AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It doesn't matter. You cannot put employees in that position. It's unfair to them. "Hey, we're going to have a lock in where we smoke? Are you a smoker or do I have to send you home?"

Really don't think the barmen was forced to stay as well. First off its over time and you usually are asked if you want to stay and earn a couple of extra bucks. You can always turn around and say i have plans and cant stay. Second of all its a lock in for crying out loud. The owner does YOU a favour by letting you stay for another few pints, stop moaning and cherry picking, no one is forced to be there.

mad muffin · 25-07-2014 10:58AM

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leeroybrown · 25-07-2014 11:08AM

We're some country of nit-picking moany cúnts, aren't we.

PizzamanIRL · 25-07-2014 11:08AM

Jumboman wrote: »

It made me remember what the horrible smell of tobacco was like which I was forced to inhale.

Were you held down against your will with second hand smoke blown into your face?

Was the door locked and you couldn't ask to leave?

Yeah_Right · 25-07-2014 11:43AM

paddyland wrote: »

You end up screaming in agony.

Excuse my ignorance but I would have thought screaming would be quite difficult if you were dying of lung cancer.

I'm a smoker and I actually prefer smoking outdoors. But there is something enjoyable about smoking in a pub during a lock in. It almost makes you feel like a kid again, sneaking a smoke or a drink without your parents finding out

TireeTerror · 25-07-2014 11:47AM

Hey OP, seeing as the vast majority of posts in here are from cnuts,, and you've been personally insulted by at least one moderator, I suggest seeking revenge by posting the name of the bar and also taking legal action against them. So many muppet posts by clowns trying to justify illegal actions because it makes them feel like a rebel against the state by smoking or drinking after the bar is shut.

Fact is it is illegal, and if someone is being called a sissy for questioning having a pint in the pub, then suddenly finding the doors are locked and ashtrays being handed out, well they're the morons in my opinion.

Now it seems like a funny joke when gardai and the like are now making their own rules. Yet I'm fairly sure we would have seen the same loud mouthed posters up in arms about same Gardai in other situations which did not benefit the public, screaming outrage like "Its one rule for them, and another for us!" or "Do as I say, not as I do!"

So you should have been able to say to the barmaid "Excuse me but it is not permitted to smoke in a licensed premise" and that be that.

Little CuChulainn · 25-07-2014 11:47AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Where's the barmans option of him being a non smoker but maybe he doesn't moan about people smoking? Seriously every smoke thread just has people whinging just to get there point across.

Or maybe he doesn't moan because he doesn't want to lose his job even though he has done nothing wrong. That's the point. You don't know which one it is. That's why the law makes the decision for him, so he is not put in that position.

Nerro wrote: »

Really don't think the barmen was forced to stay as well. First off its over time and you usually are asked if you want to stay and earn a couple of extra bucks. You can always turn around and say i have plans and cant stay. Second of all its a lock in for crying out loud. The owner does YOU a favour by letting you stay for another few pints, stop moaning and cherry picking, no one is forced to be there.

Perhaps it's just that you've never had a job that depends on being given shifts by the boss. If you ruin his Saturday night lock in you'll probably not work another Saturday night. So you lose out even though you've done nothing wrong.

Yeah_Right · 25-07-2014 11:53AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

If you ruin his Saturday night lock in you'll probably not work another Saturday night. So you lose out even though you've done nothing wrong.

It was Wednesday.

Little CuChulainn · 25-07-2014 11:55AM

Wibbs wrote: »

OHMIGOD!!! How did people not die in droves before the ban???? *loud noises*. Jesus, when did we become so bloody beige.

They did. There are about 8,000 less cases of lung cancer per year since the smoking ban was introduced and the survival rate has increased by 5%.

_Redzer_ · 25-07-2014 11:57AM

I can actually see the OP's point, but still, if you're that bothered by it, you should just call it a night and head home.

DAZP93 · 25-07-2014 12:04PM

This has to be the saddest thread I've ever read!

El Weirdo · 25-07-2014 12:13PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

They did. There are about 8,000 less cases of lung cancer per year since the smoking ban was introduced and the survival rate has increased by 5%.

I very much doubt that those numbers, if accurate, are a direct result of the smoking ban.

mad muffin · 25-07-2014 12:16PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

Hey OP, seeing as the vast majority of posts in here are from cnuts,, and you've been personally insulted by at least one moderator, I suggest seeking revenge by posting the name of the bar and also taking legal action against them. So many muppet posts by clowns trying to justify illegal actions because it makes them feel like a rebel against the state by smoking or drinking after the bar is shut.

Fact is it is illegal, and if someone is being called a sissy for questioning having a pint in the pub, then suddenly finding the doors are locked and ashtrays being handed out, well they're the morons in my opinion.

Now it seems like a funny joke when gardai and the like are now making their own rules. Yet I'm fairly sure we would have seen the same loud mouthed posters up in arms about same Gardai in other situations which did not benefit the public, screaming outrage like "Its one rule for them, and another for us!" or "Do as I say, not as I do!"

So you should have been able to say to the barmaid "Excuse me but it is not permitted to smoke in a licensed premise" and that be that.

That's a mighty fine horse you rode in on…

It was a lock-in, it was already illegal. OP should have left if he didn't want to be in an illegal premiss.

Little CuChulainn · 25-07-2014 12:18PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

I very much doubt that those numbers, if accurate, are a direct result of the smoking ban.

Of course you don't. It's probably down to all those increasing pollution levels giving us immunity to cancer.

TireeTerror · 25-07-2014 12:42PM

mad muffin wrote: »

That's a mighty fine horse you rode in on…

It was a lock-in, it was already illegal. OP should have left if he didn't want to be in an illegal premiss.

I think you're picking and choosing what parts seem relevant to suit your viewpoint.

He was drinking a pint of beer. Out of the blue he notices bar staff locking the front door. Next thing ashtrays are being handed out. From that information we can assume that no announcement was made that smoking was now being permitted and that the bar was no longer legally selling alcohol and that anyone not rushing for the door was now committing a criminal offence.

Now perhaps for all you lot who participate in lock-ins may know exactly what was going down, but perhaps not everyone in a pub would be aware of what was going on. I personally would have had no idea what time a pub was allowed to serve alcohol until, how would I know if they were allowed to sell it until whatever time? It is not my job to know, or to ask about, I would like to think if I am in a professional environment, such as a pub, the operation would be compliant with the law.

I have been in several lock-ins myself, but not since the smoking ban so have never experienced the dishing out of the ashtrays.

Also just because the bar may have been selling alcohol without a legal right to do so, does not mean that any other illegal activity is also permitted seeing as its "already illegal". Hell why not just start sniffing a few lines of coke off the bar and bring out the sex slaves from the dungeon below while you're at it....

Yeah_Right · 25-07-2014 12:46PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

Also just because the bar may have been selling alcohol without a legal right to do so, does not mean that any other illegal activity is also permitted seeing as its "already illegal". Hell why not just start sniffing a few lines of coke off the bar and bring out the sex slaves from the dungeon below while you're at it....

That sounds brilliant!! I want to go to a lock in at that pub. Where is it?

mad muffin · 25-07-2014 12:49PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

I think you're picking and choosing what parts seem relevant to suit your viewpoint.

He was drinking a pint of beer. Out of the blue he notices bar staff locking the front door. Next thing ashtrays are being handed out. From that information we can assume that no announcement was made that smoking was now being permitted and that the bar was no longer legally selling alcohol and that anyone not rushing for the door was now committing a criminal offence.

Now perhaps for all you lot who participate in lock-ins may know exactly what was going down, but perhaps not everyone in a pub would be aware of what was going on. I personally would have had no idea what time a pub was allowed to serve alcohol until, how would I know if they were allowed to sell it until whatever time? It is not my job to know, or to ask about, I would like to think if I am in a professional environment, such as a pub, the operation would be compliant with the law.

I have been in several lock-ins myself, but not since the smoking ban so have never experienced the dishing out of the ashtrays.

Also just because the bar may have been selling alcohol without a legal right to do so, does not mean that any other illegal activity is also permitted seeing as its "already illegal". Hell why not just start sniffing a few lines of coke off the bar and bring out the sex slaves from the dungeon below while you're at it....

Look, the guy wasn't one of those sex slaves. He wasn't chained to the bar. He could get up and leave.

hynesie08 · 25-07-2014 12:53PM

Am I the only one who has a hard time believing the op's version of events? Any lock in I've been to there's always a concentrated effort to get out any dry ****es before it begins. It's never just lock the doors at closing time and break out the ashtrays.

25-07-2014 12:57PM

There is a well known story of a pub in the west that was fined for after hours drinking, this happened not long after the smoking ban....how was the pub caught open after hours? the drinkers were observer out side the pub having a smoke at 3am:p..a case of observing one law and disregarding another.

El Weirdo · 25-07-2014 12:57PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Of course you don't. It's probably down to all those increasing pollution levels giving us immunity to cancer.

Hold on, this report here (page 5) says that the annual number of new cases of lung cancer averaged around 1700 between the years 1994-2008, so how do you get:

...There are about 8,000 less cases of lung cancer per year since the smoking ban was introduced...

Smoking in Pubs after hours

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