Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

speedboatchase · 24-07-2014 10:50PM

Johro wrote: »

Exactly. And don't forget that the last time this happened on this scale, journalists were not allowed anywhere near the conflict, were effectively sidelined, and were given written statements to read out provided by the Israelis.

You're aware that Hamas has forbid reporters from taking photographs of militants? Yeah, Hamas, that beacon of press freedom.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/all-news-hamas-sees-fit-print_796823.html

The amount of hypocrisy here is very entertaining. Hold Hamas to the same moral standard please.

Fiery mutant · 24-07-2014 10:51PM

fta93 wrote: »

Why was Snows laptop practically destroyed by the IDF on re entry to Israel?

Because he still had it powered while going through a device that emits high frequency electronic signals?!?,

Just because he is stupid isn't the Israelis fault.

fta93 · 24-07-2014 10:51PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Yeah, killing innocent civilians is obviously wrong. By the way, who are Hamas' rockets targeted towards?

Innocent civilians? Ah... cool. More Hamasplaining.

How many civilians killed in Israel?
How many killed in Palestine?

Yeah. I'm supporting Hamas though amnt I? Because being outraged at Palestine kids being targeted and killed equals supporting Hamas.

You might as well call me anti-Semitic next just to get it out of the way.

steddyeddy · 24-07-2014 10:52PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

You're aware that Hamas has forbid reporters from taking photographs of militants? Yeah, Hamas, that beacon of press freedom.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/all-news-hamas-sees-fit-print_796823.html

The amount of hypocrisy here is very entertaining. Hold Hamas to the same moral standard please.

No Hamas are not the moral standard. Not by a longshot. Hamas are what you get if you take land from people, kick them from their homes and treat them like second class citizens.

Fiery mutant · 24-07-2014 10:54PM

fta93 wrote: »

How many civilians killed in Israel?
How many killed in Palestine?

Yeah. I'm supporting Hamas though amnt I? Because being outraged at Palestine kids being targeted and killed equals supporting Hamas.

You might as well call me anti-Semitic next just to get it out of the way.

The fact that there is very few Israeli civilians killed is down to Iron dome, and the in accuracy of Hamas rockets. If Hamas had more potent weaponry to target innocent civilians, they would use it.

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 10:54PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Are you calling UNRWA liars?

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools

"Today, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip."

Remove that tin foil hat. There's a good lad.

First, there's still no photos or footage as I mentioned.
Second, Hamas wasn't mentioned in that report once.
Third, Vacant school... Yet Israel target schools housing refugees including children.

speedboatchase · 24-07-2014 10:54PM

fta93 wrote: »

How many civilians killed in Israel?
How many killed in Palestine?

Yeah. I'm supporting Hamas though amnt I? Because being outraged at Palestine kids being targeted and killed equals supporting Hamas.

You might as well call me anti-Semitic next just to get it out of the way.

Maybe Israel will shut down the Iron Dome for a few days to get that magical "proportionate" casaulty figure you're all craving. Or maybe Israel will continue to protect its people rather than deliberately put them in harm's way for good PR.

wes · 24-07-2014 10:54PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

By the way, who are Hamas' rockets targeted towards?

Hamas rocket fire is indiscriminate, they do not have the capability to directly target anyone. The issue with Hamas rocket fire, is that its indiscriminate and as such completely wrong.

The IDF on the other hand do have the capability of precise targeting and yet they still somehow manage to murder 4 children playing football on a beach in broad day light, with no militants near by, or any reason to fire on the beach, other than there were Palestinians children having a little bit of fun.

Both are wrong, but the fact remains, Israel is the side murdering far more civilians, all the while having superior technology to avoid this. The only conclusion is that the IDF is at best indiscriminate like Hamas, and at worse coldly targeting civilians.

fta93 · 24-07-2014 10:56PM

Fiery mutant wrote: »

The fact that there is very few Israeli civilians killed is down to Iron dome, and the in accuracy of Hamas rockets. If Hamas had more potent weaponry to target innocent civilians, they would use it.

So you're arguing intent basically, that both want to kill kids..

You can argue ifs and buts all you like, But the fact is only one side is murdering children.

fta93 · 24-07-2014 10:57PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Maybe Israel will shut down the Iron Dome for a few days to get that magical "proportionate" casaulty figure you're all craving. Or maybe Israel will continue to protect its people rather than deliberately put them in harm's way for good PR.

Craving casualties? Aren't you classy.
Most are f*king outraged because kids are being murdered left right and centre and you're spouting nonsense that it's ok cos Hamas want to do this but can't.

speedboatchase · 24-07-2014 10:59PM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

First, there's still no photos or footage as I mentioned.
Second, Hamas wasn't mentioned in that report once.
Third, Vacant school... Yet Israel target schools housing refugees including children.

You won't see photos of rockets, or militants, anywhere in Gaza. Hamas is controlling the images that you're seeing. Haven't you not thought it strange that you haven't seen these images at all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxzZ5cm8ZCw&feature=youtu.be

Here is Hamas's guidelines for “cautious and effective” social media engagement on Facebook and Twitter.

"“Do not publish photos or video clips depicting locations of rocket launches or movements of resistance [Hamas members] in Gaza,” the video warns. “To Facebook news page administrators, do not display photos of masked men carrying heavy weapons up close, so that your page isn’t shut for inciting violence.”

“Make sure in every roundup to mention the number of women and children killed or injured. There is nothing wrong with displaying photos of the injured,” Hamas urged in the video.

From: http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-warns-residents-against-revealing-downtown-gaza-launches/#ixzz38QhZvcU7

Johro · 24-07-2014 11:00PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Yeah, killing innocent civilians is obviously wrong. By the way, who are Hamas' rockets targeted towards?

Innocent civilians? Ah... cool. More Hamasplaining.

This kind of argument is getting old. Yes, Hamas are firing rockets at indiscriminate targets, and they should be held to account as much as the IDF.
It has to be said though that Israel seem to think that for every Israeli soldier/civilian killed, a hundred or more Palestinians must die.
There's a question of scale. They also have hugely superior firepower and military intelligence, yet choose to hit those targets.
Also, we would not be here if Israel stopped its expansion into Gaza and entered meaningful peace talks, as those peace talks keep collapsing because Israel refuse to stop expanding their territory into an already pressured Gaza strip. If they tried it anywhere else it would mean war, and the international community have been too soft on it for too long.

fta93 · 24-07-2014 11:01PM

"From: times of Israel.."

And people were accusing Jon Snow of bias an propaganda..

Fiery mutant · 24-07-2014 11:01PM

fta93 wrote: »

So you're arguing intent basically, that both want to kill kids..

You can argue ifs and buts all you like, But the fact is only one side is murdering children.

And the Hamas militants who emerged from a tunnel in Israel only 200 metres from kindergarten a few days ago, should they have had a chance to even the score? It only by chance that the Israeli soldiers they encountered noticed that they were not carrying standard issue M16 or Tavor assault rifles, but Ak-47 rifles, and opened fire. Otherwise, things could have been much much worse.

fta93 · 24-07-2014 11:02PM

Fiery mutant wrote: »

And the Hamas militants who emerged from a tunnel in Israel only 200 metres from kindergarten a few days ago, should they have had a chance to even the score? It only by chance that the Israeli soldiers they encountered noticed that they were not carrying standard issue M16 or Tavor assault rifles, but Ak-47 rifles, and opened fire. Otherwise, things could have been much much worse.

200 metres from a kindergarten is the same as nailing 4 kids playing football on a beach sure.

speedboatchase · 24-07-2014 11:03PM

fta93 wrote: »

Craving casualties? Aren't you classy.
Most are f*king outraged because kids are being murdered left right and centre and you're spouting nonsense that it's ok cos Hamas want to do this but can't.

Why do you think Hamas persist in firing the rockets if they are completely ineffective?

I'm not saying it's OK at all, but I'm saying that it sounds like a lot of you guys think it's OK for Hamas to fire at civilians because they probably won't hit their targets. You're holding Israel to a different moral standard for a discriminate policy and ignoring Hamas' indiscriminate policy.

The more the deaths pile up, especially innocent civilians, the more Hamas has the edge in terms in bringing overwhelming condemnation on Israel and achieving favourable ceasefire terms.

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 11:03PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

You won't see photos of rockets, or militants, anywhere in Gaza. Hamas is controlling the images that you're seeing. Haven't you not thought it strange that you haven't seen these images at all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxzZ5cm8ZCw&feature=youtu.be

Here is Hamas's guidelines for “cautious and effective” social media engagement on Facebook and Twitter.

"“Do not publish photos or video clips depicting locations of rocket launches or movements of resistance [Hamas members] in Gaza,” the video warns. “To Facebook news page administrators, do not display photos of masked men carrying heavy weapons up close, so that your page isn’t shut for inciting violence.”

“Make sure in every roundup to mention the number of women and children killed or injured. There is nothing wrong with displaying photos of the injured,” Hamas urged in the video.

From: http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-warns-residents-against-revealing-downtown-gaza-launches/#ixzz38QhZvcU7

I don't even know what you're trying to say here because you're pointing out Hamas guidelines for how their members should and should not post content.

I'm talking about basic journalism. The UNRWA found rockets, they're not Hamas, why did they not release images? Why have countless other journalists that are in Gaza not seen what Israel says is going on?

Johro · 24-07-2014 11:03PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

You won't see photos of rockets, or militants, anywhere in Gaza. Hamas is controlling the images that you're seeing. Haven't you not thought it strange that you haven't seen these images at all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxzZ5cm8ZCw&feature=youtu.be

Here is Hamas's guidelines for “cautious and effective” social media engagement on Facebook and Twitter.

"“Do not publish photos or video clips depicting locations of rocket launches or movements of resistance [Hamas members] in Gaza,” the video warns. “To Facebook news page administrators, do not display photos of masked men carrying heavy weapons up close, so that your page isn’t shut for inciting violence.”

“Make sure in every roundup to mention the number of women and children killed or injured. There is nothing wrong with displaying photos of the injured,” Hamas urged in the video.

From: http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-warns-residents-against-revealing-downtown-gaza-launches/#ixzz38QhZvcU7

It would be kinda stupid of them to show rocket installations, their locations, or close ups of the people who fire them.

speedboatchase · 24-07-2014 11:05PM

fta93 wrote: »

"From: times of Israel.."

And people were accusing Jon Snow of bias an propaganda..

I used that link because of its translation. The story has been covered by many outlets around the world. I used a different link a few pages ago. The video exists, deal with it.

FullblownRose · 24-07-2014 11:05PM

fta93 wrote: »

How many civilians killed in Israel?
How many killed in Palestine?

Yeah. I'm supporting Hamas though amnt I? Because being outraged at Palestine kids being targeted and killed equals supporting Hamas.

You might as well call me anti-Semitic next just to get it out of the way.

How many would have been killed had the missiles not been intercepted? How many would be left now if the israeis were not able to defend themseves and the suicide bombers were successful?

FreshCoffee · 24-07-2014 11:05PM

wes wrote: »

The IDF on the other hand do have the capability of precise targeting and yet they still somehow manage to murder 4 children playing football on a beach in broad day light, with no militants near by, or any reason to fire on the beach, other than there were Palestinians children having a little bit of fun.

The IDF indeed. The Israeli Death Forces.

Johro · 24-07-2014 11:06PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

You're aware that Hamas has forbid reporters from taking photographs of militants? Yeah, Hamas, that beacon of press freedom.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/all-news-hamas-sees-fit-print_796823.html

The amount of hypocrisy here is very entertaining. Hold Hamas to the same moral standard please.

Again, it would be very stupid of them to do otherwise, they might as well paint targets on their chests and stand on the border. Get real.

fta93 · 24-07-2014 11:06PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Why do you think Hamas persist in firing the rockets if they are completely ineffective?

I'm not saying it's OK at all, but I'm saying that it sounds like a lot of you guys think it's OK for Hamas to fire at civilians because they probably won't hit their targets. You're holding Israel to a different moral standard for a discriminate policy and ignoring Hamas' indiscriminate policy.

The more the deaths pile up, especially innocent civilians, the more Hamas has the edge in terms in bringing overwhelming condemnation on Israel and achieving favourable ceasefire terms.

When did I defend Hamas? Please show me..

Hamas are a terrorist group. Israel are supposed to be a democratic nation, hence being held to a higher standard.

A democratic state targeting and murdering civilians, high numbers who are children. It's Israel doing this, not Hamas, no matter how this is spun with who started this or who it benefits, which sound like playground arguments.

Fiery mutant · 24-07-2014 11:07PM

fta93 wrote: »

200 metres from a kindergarten is the same as nailing 4 kids playing football on a beach sure.

Actually, the fact they had not finished the tunnel is probably the only reason those kids were not reached. Hamas use google maps to target areas inside Israel for their rockets and tunnel targets. Do you think it is by accident that tunnel was that close to a kindergarten?

wp_rathead · 24-07-2014 11:07PM

Empathy for the Palestinians =/= Support for Hamas

ffs :rolleyes:

fta93 · 24-07-2014 11:08PM

FullblownRose wrote: »

How many would have been killed had the missiles not been intercepted? How many would be left now if the israeis were not able to defend themseves and the suicide bombers were successful?

Irrelevant. Israel are the only side murdering children. "Defending themselves" indeed. Them 4 kids on the beach must have weapons on them somewhere eh?

speedboatchase · 24-07-2014 11:08PM

Johro wrote: »

It would be kinda stupid of them to show rocket installations, their locations, or close ups of the people who fire them.

The problem is that independent press corps appear to be complying with this: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2014/07/21/nyt-apparently-other-press-orgs-complying-hamas-coverage-restrictions

Obviously they are complying because you can't find those shots anywhere.

fta93 · 24-07-2014 11:08PM

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Actually, the fact they had not finished the tunnel is probably the only reason those kids were not reached. Hamas use google maps to target areas inside Israel for their rockets and tunnel targets. Do you think it is by accident that tunnel was that close to a kindergarten?

200m is a very liberal description of close. Whereas bombing a UN school is very close. Especially for the independent UN teachers who were murdered.

Johro · 24-07-2014 11:10PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

The problem is that independent press corps appear to be complying with this: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2014/07/21/nyt-apparently-other-press-orgs-complying-hamas-coverage-restrictions

Obviously they are complying because you can't find those shots anywhere.

Well take it up with them then, don't blame Hamas for their ineptitude as journalists.

speedboatchase · 24-07-2014 11:11PM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

I don't even know what you're trying to say here because you're pointing out Hamas guidelines for how their members should and should not post content.

I'm talking about basic journalism. The UNRWA found rockets, they're not Hamas, why did they not release images? Why have countless other journalists that are in Gaza not seen what Israel says is going on?

We can't say for sure but my best suggestion would be, as evidenced in the link I just sent to Johro, is that UNRWA and the press corps are complying with the Hamas guidelines out of fear. Ban Ki-Moon has ordered a review after allegations that UNRWA gave back the rockets to Hamas, so clearly they don't appear to be been acting independently on that matter.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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