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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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  • #2252
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I hope you saw the faces of the young children on the News. The terror, disbelief, fear and agony has to effect even the most stupid fools who stand by the murderous war machine of Israel.
    I personally hope it haunts them.

    Back to the emotional argument. Enjoy the 'thanks'. You're talking nonsense if you believe that "only one side" is "not ashamed to kill children", or if you feel Hamas are some kind of moral upstanding organisation.

    You're holding one side to a completely different moral standard. Do you support Hamas' indiscriminate firing of rockets on Israeli civilians? Yes or no? I'm gonna hold you to an answer on this.


  • #2253
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Back to the emotional argument. .......

    emmmm?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91424526&postcount=2250


  • #2254
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Back to the emotional argument. Enjoy the 'thanks'. You're talking nonsense if you believe that "only one side" is "not ashamed to kill children", or if you feel Hamas are some kind of moral upstanding organisation.

    You're holding one side to a completely different moral standard. Do you support Hamas' indiscriminate firing of rockets on Israeli civilians? Yes or no? I'm gonna hold you to an answer on this.

    How is Israels deliberate surgical targeting of civilians better than hamas's indiscriminate firing of rockets?


  • #2255
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Back to the emotional argument. Enjoy the 'thanks'. You're talking nonsense if you believe that "only one side" is "not ashamed to kill children", or if you feel Hamas are some kind of moral upstanding organisation.

    You're holding one side to a completely different moral standard. Do you support Hamas' indiscriminate firing of rockets on Israeli civilians? Yes or no? I'm gonna hold you to an answer on this.

    And you are choosing not to count what is actually occuring


  • #2256
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Hamas wishes it could kill Israeli children. Unfortunately for them their rockets are useless and their tunnels are being destroyed.

    Wishing and doing are worlds apart,

    Murdering children is real


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  • #2257
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Nodin wrote: »
    emmmm?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91424526&postcount=2250

    Yes, Nodin? That's a rebuttal to the completely ridiculous suggestion that "only one side" is "not ashamed to kill children", which neglects to mention the indiscriminate firing of rockets by Hamas or their stated goal of obliterating Israel.

    Problem?


  • #2258
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Yes, Nodin? That's a rebuttal to the completely ridiculous suggestion that "only one side" is "not ashamed to kill children", which neglects to mention the indiscriminate firing of rockets by Hamas or their stated goal of obliterating Israel.

    Problem?

    So what's worse?

    Indiscriminately firing **** rockets into Israel in the vain hope of hitting a target 1 in a 100 times?

    Or

    Using a multi billion dollar military machine to systematically bomb and kill innocent men, women and children?


  • #2259
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Yes, Nodin? That's a rebuttal to the completely ridiculous suggestion that "only one side" is "not ashamed to kill children", which neglects to mention the indiscriminate firing of rockets by Hamas or their stated goal of obliterating Israel.

    Problem?

    Ridiculous then read this

    , http://www.newstalk.ie/Ireland-criticised-for-failure-to-vote-on-UNs-Gaza-resolution

    Sorry I missed "The pride" this bastard takes in killing children and babies


  • #2260
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    bumper234 wrote: »
    How is Israels deliberate surgical targeting of civilians better than hamas's indiscriminate firing of rockets?

    Because it's not "deliberate surgical targeting of civilians". It's targeting of weapon caches or militants. Hamas hides weapons in UNRWA schools (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/unrwa-investigating-20-rockets-empty-gaza-school-palestinian) and anywhere else it can ensure its most vulnerable civilians are murdered.


  • #2261
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Because it's not "deliberate surgical targeting of civilians". It's targeting of weapon caches or militants. Hamas hides weapons in UNRWA schools (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/unrwa-investigating-20-rockets-empty-gaza-school-palestinian) and anywhere else it can ensure its most vulnerable civilians are murdered.

    ahahahaha. Yeah.

    Theres a few here that could save themselves a good deal of grief - instead of the kind of thing above just type <The IDF Line> and we'll know exactly what ye mean.


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  • #2262
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Because it's not "deliberate surgical targeting of civilians". It's targeting of weapon caches or militants. Hamas hides weapons in UNRWA schools (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/unrwa-investigating-20-rockets-empty-gaza-school-palestinian) and anywhere else it can ensure its most vulnerable civilians are murdered.

    So why are the UN saying there were no militants or weapons in the school.that was targeted today? Why did Israel bomb that school when they knew where it was and what it was being used for?


  • #2263
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So why are the UN saying there were no militants or weapons in the school.that was targeted today? Why did Israel bomb that school when they knew where it was and what it was being used for?

    The UN are in on it too, sure who doctored the video footage of the shootings?


  • #2264
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So why are the UN saying there were no militants or weapons in the school.that was targeted today? Why did Israel bomb that school when they knew where it was and what it was being used for?

    As so often, the answer may well be in the question itself.


  • #2265
    Pwindedd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,311 ✭✭✭Pwindedd


    Very interesting thread. I knew nothing about the conflict other than snippets on the news and that it had been going for ever. There does seem to be a lot of "picking sides" going on though both in here and globally. It all seems so pointless and a desperate situation all round. You just wanna bash their heads together and scream LOOK WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO EACH OTHER. I wouldn't like to have that much hate in me that I was blinded to the futility of it all. I think that's why I avoid the news - it's just all bad news, so much awful **** that we perpetuate onto each other EVERY DAY. I know how John Coffey must have felt.


  • #2266
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,609 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Israeli agency bans radio clip naming children killed in Gaza; calling the material 'politically controversial'

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-gaza-conflict-2014/1.606908

    In other news, the murder of children remains popularly acceptable :rolleyes:


  • #2267
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So what's worse?

    Indiscriminately firing **** rockets into Israel in the vain hope of hitting a target 1 in a 100 times?

    Or

    Using a multi billion dollar military machine to systematically bomb and kill innocent men, women and children?

    Both are terrible, but I can see the military sense of attacking an enemy's attack capability, and cannot excuse indiscriminate targeting of civilians.

    In general though, I want a ceasefire. Hamas has no tactical advantage but knows that it can continue to fire rockets, knowing that Israeli retaliation might lead to enough condemnation for Israel to stop and for Hamas to call this a huge victory for themselves. Look at the celebrations when they heard they had captured an IDF soldier, for example. They won't back down without some sense of "victory", and neither will Israel at this point.

    On the other hand, the moment Israel went into its ground op it was committed to destroying those tunnels and rockets. They too need a PR victory for themselves at this point due to the tragic beach shelling and today's UNRWA bombing.

    There is logic to Israel's actions: systemically wipe out Hamas' firepower to ensure its people no longer live in fear.

    There is logic to Hamas actions: with no firepower to trouble Israel, it must play an extremely costly PR game. If there is enough death and condemnation for Israel, they might be able to get favourable ceasefire terms and maybe even a lifting of the blockade.


  • #2268
    fta93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭fta93


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Because it's not "deliberate surgical targeting of civilians". It's targeting of weapon caches or militants. Hamas hides weapons in UNRWA schools (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/unrwa-investigating-20-rockets-empty-gaza-school-palestinian) and anywhere else it can ensure its most vulnerable civilians are murdered.

    In today's latest IDF/IMF murders, the Israelis warned te civilians to leave their houses and shelter in the UN school. They did.

    What did the Israeli Murder Force do next? Bombed the school. Took out a few UN teachers while they were at it.

    I forgot though, UN teachers are terrorist though aren't they?


  • #2269
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,633 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    [QUOTE=speedboatchase;91424793]Because it's not "deliberate surgical targeting of civilians". It's targeting of weapon caches or militants. Hamas hides weapons in UNRWA schools (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/unrwa-investigating-20-rockets-empty-gaza-school-palestinian) and anywhere else it can ensure its most vulnerable civilians are murdered.[/QUOTE]

    So those were 4 little weapons playing football on the beach and there were 8 weapons getting fresh air on the roof of their home when they were killed in a drone attack.

    You seriously need to cop on.


  • #2270
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,633 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Israeli agency bans radio clip naming children killed in Gaza; calling the material 'politically controversial'

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-gaza-conflict-2014/1.606908

    In other news, the murder of children remains popularly acceptable :rolleyes:

    That is exactly their aim. Kill all Palestinian women and prevent them giving birth --

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/07/israeli-mp-mothers-of-all-palestinians-must-be-killed/


  • #2271
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    tayto lover wrote: »
    So those were 4 little weapons playing football on the beach and there were 8 weapons getting fresh air on the roof of their home when they were killed in a drone attack.

    You seriously need to cop on.

    That was inexcusable and horrendous. I do no support that and I've no idea why they were targeted. But don't tar all of the IDF operations with the same brush.


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  • #2272
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,633 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    That was inexcusable and horrendous. I do no support that and I've no idea why they were targeted. But don't tar all of the IDF operations with the same brush.

    The IDF have been doing this for years. Where have you been?


  • #2273
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    hju6 wrote: »
    Stolen freshly levelled real estate attracts new immigrants

    http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/18818/israels-latest-victory-hamas-welcoming-home-228-new-citizens/#OyqEi5KYRgssVPhr.97

    From article:
    The flight consisted of 29 families, 100 children including 39 girls and 61 boys, and 54 singles. Among the immigrants there are quite a few planning to live in Israel’s south and north, as part of a joint project to settle new immigrants in the Negev and the Galilee. Those who are planning to live in the south received special briefings about the security situation, such as information about trauma counseling and support from English-speaking Olim (immigrants) living in the area.
    Read more at http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/18818/israels-latest-victory-hamas-welcoming-home-228-new-citizens/#a1fJiTddOYAWlsBi.99

    The Negev and the Galilee settlements areilligeal under even US own military legislation
    "States may not deport or transfer parts of their own civilian population into a territory they occupy.”


    State practice establishes this rule as a norm of customary international law applicable in international armed conflicts.
    International armed conflicts

    The prohibition on deporting or transferring parts of a State’s own civilian population into the territory it occupies is set forth in the Fourth Geneva Convention


  • #2274
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The IDF have been doing this for years. Where have you been?

    Hark back to another lovely excursion by the IDF into the Lebanon in 2006.... Anybody remember that?


  • #2275
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Jazeera journalist documenting IDF killing civilians trying to run away http://t.co/pgAKEp2Gkp

    ve5ol.jpg


  • #2276
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Hark back to another lovely excursion by the IDF into the Lebanon in 2006.... Anybody remember that?


    O yeah. So many happy times accidentally killing civillians they had. They had an assassination list as well. Took out some lecturer and his family, the connection being he'd spoken in support of Hezbollah. Great stuff.


  • #2277
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    That was inexcusable and horrendous. I do no support that and I've no idea why they were targeted. But don't tar all of the IDF operations with the same brush.

    How can one not? If it was a one of you might say ok it was a mistake but this is EVERY DAY sometimes multiple times! Either the IDF are deliberately targeting innocent children or their gunners/targeters/intel guys are so inept that they consistently hit innocent children. Which one do you think it is?


  • #2278
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    That was inexcusable and horrendous. I do no support that and I've no idea why they were targeted. But don't tar all of the IDF operations with the same brush.

    IDF operations have included bombing a un school 2010 that was not used by hamas even they later admitted to that
    http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/no-rockets-unrwa-schools-gaza-during-gaza-war-2008-2009?id=1477

    Kicking people out of their homes in the west bank

    Using Human shields and kicking the **** out of Palestinians
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/two-idf-soldiers-charged-with-using-9-year-old-human-shield-in-gaza-war-1.264652


    we dont need to tar the IDF with one incident theres 100's to go off

    IDF and the israeli government are no different than hamas or any other terrorist group


  • #2279
    Thrill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    Thousands of Palestinian youths on march in West Bank. 2 reported dead already.
    Clashes now in Jerusalem's old city as Palestinian youths clash with Israeli security forces

    https://twitter.com/tounsiahourra/status/492419841153056768/photo/1


  • #2280
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    I may have mentioned it before, in a thread about the conflict in Gaza, (it is, let's face it, a recurring theme), but I remember watching a documentary film by Yoav Shamir, a Jewish filmmaker, in which he examines antisemitism and, ultimately, fails to find it. The film is enlightening as it explains the backdrop of fear, suspicion and 'everybody hates us Jews' mentality that is carefully grown in Israel, or should I say by it's government and authorities.
    In the documentary, Shamir travels to the US to talk to the ADL or Anti Defamation League, a powerful Jewish lobby group, one of many that put real pressure on US government and influence US policy on the Middle East. Interesting stuff.
    In another part of the film he follows a group of Israeli school children who are visiting Europe on their school trip, they visit Poland and the concentration camp, and throughout the trip they are continuously being told to keep their heads down as , 'the Polish people hate us'.
    They are told to stay in their rooms and not talk to people when they are at the hotel, and the same happens while travelling, they are constantly being fed the notion that no-one wants them, and to stick together for safety.
    I wonder if this goes on still, and together with every Israeli boy and girl of eighteen having to join the army, are they simply fostering this idea of antisemitism to prolong the status quo.
    Governments like to keep people in fear, it gets them re-elected and able to pass tough laws. Whatever your take is on this conflict, the documentary is an education.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation_%28film%29


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  • #2281
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Hamas launches rocket from a graveyard in Gaza. image.jpg

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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