Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 12:14PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

(Taken from national journal by Marina Koren)

Countries that voted in the affirmative are, in alphabetical order: Algeria, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, China, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Costa Rica, Cote d'Ivoire, Cuba, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, the Maldives, Mexico, Morocco, Namibia, Pakistan, Peru, the Philippines, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, the United Arab Emirates, Venezuela, and Vietnam.

Thank god for all these Democratic, freedom loving, minority tolerating, gay rights supporting, non violent countries!

eeepaulo · 24-07-2014 12:17PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Thank god for all these Democratic, freedom loving, minority tolerating, gay rights supporting, non violent countries!

Im not sure what your point is?

Is it that these countries suggest that maybe we should have a look at whether over 700 people dead should be looked at while we close our eyes, cover our ears, and say nothing?

wazky · 24-07-2014 12:20PM

Just listening to Sky News, and had the Israeli economic minister on who explained that Israel was surrounded by 350 million Muslims, most of whom are radicals apparently.

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 12:21PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

Im not sure what your point is?

Is it that these countries suggest that maybe we should have a look at whether over 700 people dead should be looked at while we close our eyes, cover our ears, and say nothing?

I'm suggesting that I don't trust Muslim countries to be objective, I don't trust countries that use these type of decisions to focus the attention away from their own humanitarian wrongdoings, and I don't trust an organization that once again, blatantly singles out Israel for investigation without deciding on investigating the Palestinian alleged war crimes (such as launching rockets - each indiscriminate launch into civilian areas is a war crime).

wes · 24-07-2014 12:28PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

I think he made one correct point however. 30,000 dead in Syria since the start of the year. Why have we all forgot about that since it's out of the news??

Ok, that is a fair point, but the problem is that the Ambassador doesn't care about Syria, and is using it as part of cynical attempt to distract from the actions of his own country.

For example, if the Syrian Ambassador was being asked questions about what is going on his country and then tried to change the subject to be about what is going on Gaza, I think we would all see that as a pretty cynical attempt at distraction.

JeffKenna · 24-07-2014 12:30PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Thank god for all these Democratic, freedom loving, minority tolerating, gay rights supporting, non violent countries!

Haha I'm just back from a trip to the Southern states and you pretty much summed then up!!

eeepaulo · 24-07-2014 12:30PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

I'm suggesting that I don't trust Muslim countries to be objective, I don't trust countries that use these type of decisions to focus the attention away from their own humanitarian wrongdoings, and I don't trust an organization that once again, blatantly singles out Israel for investigation without deciding on investigating the Palestinian alleged war crimes (such as launching rockets - each indiscriminate launch into civilian areas is a war crime).

I think the fact that some of the behaviour of these countries is extremely questionable and in some cases utterly wrong shames us more when we do nothing.

An organization? Is that the UN? As in United Nations?

The rocket fire does have to be investigated as well

wes · 24-07-2014 12:32PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Seems Pallywood is already contributing to the Palestinian struggle, oscar nominations to follow!

http://www.thomaswictor.com/fake-atr...deo-from-gaza/

Your link is broken, and secondly he seems to be some random historical author, so I would like to know his expertise in regards to video analysis, as nothing on his about page suggest expertise in that area, so his input is about as valuable as any other message board poster....

WakeUp · 24-07-2014 12:42PM

wazky wrote: »

Just listening to Sky News, and had the Israeli economic minister on who explained that Israel was surrounded by 350 million Muslims, most of whom are radicals apparently.

And do you agree with such sweeping generalisations? apparently..really? and even if his "explanation" has any merit this is relevant to what is happening in Gaza how?..what's his and your attempted point?..

eeepaulo · 24-07-2014 12:42PM

I have been watching PressTV

It is an iranian english speaking news feed

the pictures are horrific on there

JeffKenna · 24-07-2014 12:43PM

wes wrote: »

Ok, that is a fair point, but the problem is that the Ambassador doesn't care about Syria, and is using it as part of cynical attempt to distract from the actions of his own country.

For example, if the Syrian Ambassador was being asked questions about what is going on his country and then tried to change the subject to be about what is going on Gaza, I think we would all see that as a pretty cynical attempt at distraction.

I guess what frustrates me about this thread and the general population is the fact that nobody seems to care. It's all very easy to debate the issues back and forward and while people here do seem to be well informed what good is it doing the actual innocent civilians being killed? A thread like this starts up when the issue is in the news. Newsflash, far worse has been happening on a daily basis there every single day of my life except it wasn't getting reported to the same degree. This Thread is nothing more than a debating society for the majority of people on here.

Anyway, there's a protest arranged for cork on Saturday. I'll be attending, I'm sure they'll be plenty around the country and I have no doubt everyone who feels so strong about it here will go out and make their voices heard.

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 12:44PM

WakeUp wrote: »

And do you agree with such sweeping generalisations? apparently..really? and even if his "explanation" has any merit this is relevant to what is happening in Gaza how?..what's his and your attempted point?..

If you read it again and turn on your sarcasm detector you might find out.

wazky · 24-07-2014 12:48PM

WakeUp wrote: »

And do you agree with such sweeping generalisations? apparently..really? and even if his "explanation" has any merit this is relevant to what is happening in Gaza how?..what's his and your attempted point?..

I do not agree at all infact, I was just highlighting what the people in power believe, that they surrounded by enemies.

danniemcq · 24-07-2014 01:05PM

wes wrote: »

Your link is broken, and secondly he seems to be some random historical author, so I would like to know his expertise in regards to video analysis, as nothing on his about page suggest expertise in that area, so his input is about as valuable as any other message board poster....

MOD

Link is fixed now and also here

darkpagandeath · 24-07-2014 01:07PM

UN talking about war crimes

wes · 24-07-2014 01:12PM

danniemcq wrote: »

MOD

Link is fixed now and also here

Cheers thanks for that, and lets take a look at some of the reasoning from this guy:

Still, he has a beard with no mustache, which means he’s a Hamas operative.

So basically, he has a distinctive style of beard worn by some Religious Muslim men, and that is apparently proof enough of him being Hamas operative :rolleyes:. You couldn't make this nonsense up if you tried, and rather wonderful display of bigotry on the part of the author.

Nodin · 24-07-2014 01:35PM

Only terrorists reject beardology as a valid science.

BlaasForRafa · 24-07-2014 01:40PM

Leaving aside the beard thing, which is something I haven't heard before. Perhaps he is a Hamas operative, perhaps he's a member of the amish community.

There were 3 things that concerned me when I saw the video first and the blog deals with those:

1: When the guy is "shot", everyone is calm, there is no sound of true terror or fright in their voices, it sounded staged.

2: The trajectory of the bullet that "killed" him. The guy is lying down in the middle of a rubble strewn street, it seems unlikely that a bullet would hit him on the ground with all the obstacles in the way.

3: The one that really stood out though is where is the killing wound? A high velocity sniper round would rip off half the guys head or tear a huge wound in his torso. There's no wound on the head or torso so how did he die?

hju6 · 24-07-2014 01:42PM

The Israelis want 2 weeks to destroy tunnels

1.8 million people now crammed into approx 200 sq km

Land grab, child murdering continues never mind the trauma the children are going through

And the UN does fluck all

bumper234 · 24-07-2014 01:43PM

hju6 wrote: »

The Israelis want 2 weeks to destroy tunnels

1.8 million people now crammed into approx 200 sq km

Land grab, child murdering continues never mind the trauma the children are going through

And the UN does fluck all

UN are useless and won't want to upset the Yanks or the Israelis.

Nodin · 24-07-2014 01:46PM

hju6 wrote: »

The Israelis want 2 weeks to destroy tunnels

1.8 million people now crammed into approx 200 sq km

Land grab, child murdering continues never mind the trauma the children are going through

And the UN does fluck all

The UN can do SFA without UNSC approval. The US has a veto on the UNSC, so no, they won't be doing anything \any time soon.

Nodin · 24-07-2014 01:47PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Leaving (..........)did he die?

It's been verified. The rabbithole is now a solo instance for you to enjoy on your own.

tallus · 24-07-2014 01:59PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Every EU country, including Ireland, abstained from voting. Which is as bad as voting no in my opinion.

I heard on the radio this morning that the only reason "we" abstained was because no charges were being brought against Hamas.

I'm not making the case for the abstention but I do think both sides should be brought to task.

end of the road · 24-07-2014 02:05PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Thank god for all these Democratic, freedom loving, minority tolerating, gay rights supporting, non violent countries!

at least they voted for it to happen, the Democratic, freedom loving, minority tolerating, gay rights supporting, non violent countries either didn't or abstained

end of the road · 24-07-2014 02:08PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

I'm suggesting that I don't trust Muslim countries to be objective, I don't trust countries that use these type of decisions to focus the attention away from their own humanitarian wrongdoings, and I don't trust an organization that once again, blatantly singles out Israel for investigation without deciding on investigating the Palestinian alleged war crimes (such as launching rockets - each indiscriminate launch into civilian areas is a war crime).

israel is not being singled out, its getting what it deserves, an investigation into its genocide of the palestinian people that has been ongoing since the foundation of the state of israel

danniemcq · 24-07-2014 02:10PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Leaving aside the beard thing, which is something I haven't heard before. Perhaps he is a Hamas operative, perhaps he's a member of the amish community.

There were 3 things that concerned me when I saw the video first and the blog deals with those:

1: When the guy is "shot", everyone is calm, there is no sound of true terror or fright in their voices, it sounded staged.

2: The trajectory of the bullet that "killed" him. The guy is lying down in the middle of a rubble strewn street, it seems unlikely that a bullet would hit him on the ground with all the obstacles in the way.

3: The one that really stood out though is where is the killing wound? A high velocity sniper round would rip off half the guys head or tear a huge wound in his torso. There's no wound on the head or torso so how did he die?

You do realise that "sniper" doesn't always mean someone with a .50 cal barrett?

A soldier with a single fire rifle could be classed as a sniper

This would also nullify your 3rd point with lack of visible injuries. A .50 cal will take your arm off easy but a rifle shot would leave little trace of evidence on the front entry wound. It would however create a large exit wound although that depends too, some bullets these days are designed to explode inside the body ripping organs while others are designed to tumble so a bullet entering the chest could tumble through the torso again destroying everything before maybe exiting trough the upper chest or even the leg. The sound would also be lessoned with the addition of a suppressor which can be added to the M89SR which Israel use in urban warfare

Also the panic. They are in a warzone where shots are expected. What do you expect them to do, every time they hear a crack should they scream and shout and run around like headless chickens? They are wearing high vis vests and I'm assuming thinking that they aren't the ones being shot at.

And with the trajectory being questioned, it wasn't just a single shot there was a number of them that could easily be explained by a sniper zeroing in on the target.

more reference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg
one on the far left is a 50 cal what most people think of when they think sniper.

The 4th and 5th are the stanard 7.62 and 5.56 rounds which is what Israeli sniper rifles tend to use.

wes · 24-07-2014 02:12PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Leaving aside the beard thing, which is something I haven't heard before. Perhaps he is a Hamas operative, perhaps he's a member of the amish community.

The problem is that it colours any claims made by that guy. I simply can't take him seriously after that silly nonsense.

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 02:47PM

wes wrote: »

The problem is that it colours any claims made by that guy. I simply can't take him seriously after that silly nonsense.

Yep, the beard does it - don't listen to anything the guy says! He made a stupid beard comment! everything we can see with our own eyes in the video is therefore false!

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 02:49PM

end of the road wrote: »

at least they voted for it to happen, the Democratic, freedom loving, minority tolerating, gay rights supporting, non violent countries either didn't or abstained

Which should probably tell you something, and it's not too subtle to understand.

I Heart Internet · 24-07-2014 02:52PM

hju6 wrote: »

The Israelis want 2 weeks to destroy tunnels

1.8 million people now crammed into approx 200 sq km

Land grab, child murdering continues never mind the trauma the children are going through

And the UN does fluck all

So why doesn't Hamas agree to a truce? They had a chance to when the death toll was sub 100 and they refused.

Hamas kept firing rockets even when the Israelis had agreed to a truce.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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