Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

Buzz Killington the third · 22-07-2014 06:12PM

yortem wrote: »

say that to my nephews who cry everytime.
as i said.. hamas choose what to do with the money - he choose rocket...
and you know what? they dont have to choose defend systems over rockets.. beacuse if they wont have the rockets they will not need defend from nobody. nobody will attack them.

They got rockets because Israel kept attacking their people!!!

DamagedTrax · 22-07-2014 06:14PM

yortem wrote: »

if they wont have the rockets they will not need defend from nobody. nobody will attack them.

there's just no truth in that statement.

Shakespeare's Sister · 22-07-2014 06:19PM

Saying the responsibility for this carnage of Palestinians is one hundred per cent the responsibility of Hamas is sick.
Tbh I reckon people have gotta put themselves in the position of Israeli people, who are bound to be defensive somewhat, but at the same time, there are Israeli people who don't agree with the military's strategy.
People who aren't Israeli though, and blind to the obvious issues with the IDF's disproportionate strategy... beyond comprehension.

I think the Israelis have the right to defend themselves when it comes to Hamas rocket attacks, and I don't have time for extremists in Palestine/supporting Palestine, but Christ... all you have to see is a few pictures of what's being inflicted on countless Palestinians to know full well this is so very wrong. And now peace is further than ever, and hate stronger than ever.

yortem · 22-07-2014 06:20PM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

They got rockets because Israel kept attacking their people!!!

i dont understand. IDF attacks hamas so hamas attacks israeli civilians? great logic.
by the way, its just not true... explaining this its like to explain who came first, the egg or the chicken.

egypt and UN suggested cease fire - israel agreed and hamas kept firing rockes.
the Red Cross suggested humanitarian cease fire few days after... israel agreed. hamas kept firing rockets.

DamagedTrax, Denial does not make it not true.

Buzz Killington the third · 22-07-2014 06:23PM

yortem wrote: »

i dont understand. IDF attacks hamas so hamas attacks israeli civilians? great logic.
by the way, its just not true... explaining this its like to explain who came first, the egg or the chicken.

Well if Israelis are the chicken and Palestines are the egg and we're talking about who was on the land first then the egg came first. If we're talking about who attacked who, then the chicken came first.

UnitedIrishman · 22-07-2014 06:25PM

yortem wrote: »

i dont understand. IDF attacks civilians so hamas attacks israeli civilians? great logic.

FYP.

DamagedTrax · 22-07-2014 06:26PM

yortem wrote: »

DamagedTrax, Denial does not make it not true.

no i agree. but gas fields do.

http://energeopolitics.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/undiscovered.jpg

wes · 22-07-2014 06:29PM

yortem wrote: »

egypt and UN suggested cease fire - israel agreed and hamas kept firing rockes.
the Red Cross suggested humanitarian cease fire few days after... israel agreed. hamas kept firing rockets.

No one contacted Hamas, about the first cease fire, they heard about it via the media. Generally, when negotiating a ceasefire, both sides are contacted. It seem pretty clear that the Egyptian military junta set up the whole thing to fail, due to there hatred of Hamas, due to Hamas's link the previous democratically elected government. Hamas should have accepted, but as no one contacted them, it was always bound to fail, and responsibility for that is on the Egyptian military junta.

As for the 2nd ceasefire, there are groups other than Hamas who fired rockets from what I understand.

yortem · 22-07-2014 06:31PM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

Well if Israelis are the chicken and Palestines are the egg and we're talking about who was on the land first then the egg came first. If we're talking about who attacked who, then the chicken came first.

OHHH.. ok... if you say it like that. i cant believe i didnt realised it until now. you are right.

im out of here. this is getting really stupid.

wes · 22-07-2014 06:32PM

yortem wrote: »

say that to my nephews who cry everytime.

That is awful, and a perfect illustration of why Hamas indiscriminate missile fire is wrong.

However, it would be nice if you spare a taught for the 4 young children murdered in broad daylight by the IDF, and witnessed by the media, and all the other children brutally murdered by the IDF.

KindOfIrish · 22-07-2014 06:34PM

i wonder, why so many european fricks worry about palestinians and nobody get a feck about tens and hundreds thousands of innocent victims in other parts of the world?
my answer is hidden anti-Semitism...

A Dub in Glasgo · 22-07-2014 06:35PM

yortem wrote: »

im out of here. this is getting really stupid.

You are wrong, the whole Israel - Palestine thing has been the height of stupidity for a long time now

My name is URL · 22-07-2014 06:36PM

All US airplanes are prohibited from flying into Israel until further notice after rocket fired near Ben Gurion airport

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/22/delta-cancels-all-israel-flights-over-missile-fear/

Israel’s Transportation Ministry called on the airlines to reverse their decision and said it was trying to explain that the airport was “safe for landings and departures.”

“Ben-Gurion Airport is safe and completely guarded and there is no reason whatsoever that American companies would stop their flights and hand terror a prize,” it said in a statement.

Completely safe they say.. yet it's non-stop fear-mongering the rest of the time

Buzz Killington the third · 22-07-2014 06:36PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

i wonder, why so many european fricks worry about palestinians and nobody get a feck about tens and hundreds thousands of innocent victims in other parts of the world?
my answer is hidden anti-Semitism...

That is utter bollox!!!

DamagedTrax · 22-07-2014 06:37PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

my answer is hidden anti-Semitism...

jews, catholics, protestants, muslims... all the same to me until they start lobbing bombs at kids.

and despite my anti-israeli stance, hamas (despite being elected (and it pains me to say it)) should just f*ck off too.

real people are getting killed but sociopaths are the puppeteers.

A Dub in Glasgo · 22-07-2014 06:37PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

my answer is hidden anti-Semitism...

Yes that is the default accusation thrown at anyone who questions Israeli violence - it is so lazy and wrong. Next you will be accusing people of being holocaust deniers

yortem · 22-07-2014 06:38PM

wes wrote: »

That is awful, and a perfect illustration of why Hamas indiscriminate missile fire is wrong.

However, it would be nice if you spare a taught for the .

I'm not the IDF Spokesperson
but I know they're investigating this.

wes · 22-07-2014 06:39PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

i wonder, why so many european fricks worry about palestinians and nobody get a feck about tens and hundreds thousands of innocent victims in other parts of the world?
my answer is hidden anti-Semitism...

Firstly, do you count yourself an anti-semite, seeing as your posting on this topic.....

Secondly, both Palestinians and Israeli's are semites.....

Thirdly, is that they are a defacto support of the Israeli settlement project , which being a colonial project is inherently a racist one. Now, I could conclude on that basis that support for Israel is clearly racist in nature as well, but I don't see that being all that helpful, as I am sure there are multitude of reasons.

bumper234 · 22-07-2014 06:39PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

i wonder, why so many european fricks worry about palestinians and nobody get a feck about tens and hundreds thousands of innocent victims in other parts of the world?
my answer is hidden anti-Semitism...

So i am antisemetic because i am disgusted that a nations army deliberately blows up 4 young boys on a beach or kills a 2 year old baby when they bomb a hospotal?

hju6 · 22-07-2014 06:40PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

i wonder, why so many european fricks worry about palestinians and nobody get a feck about tens and hundreds thousands of innocent victims in other parts of the world?
my answer is hidden anti-Semitism...

Israel attacked an Irish aid ship in international waters
It's not anti semitism it's anti war criminals who act in the name of Israel

wes · 22-07-2014 06:41PM

yortem wrote: »

I'm not the IDF Spokesperson
but I know they're investigating this.

Come on, we both know, that the IDF, will at best give the murderers a slap on the wrist, and that solely due to the media attention.

Ask yourself this, to an observer uninvolved in the conflict, after seeing multiple instances of pretty blatant murder of civilians including children, by a group claiming to be not targeting civilians, what conclusion would they come to? I am pretty sure the conclusion is that at best they are being indiscriminate in there attacks, and at worst, they are actively targeting civilians.

My name is URL · 22-07-2014 06:44PM

yortem wrote: »

I'm not the IDF Spokesperson

You missed out there. Could have gotten yourself a scholarship grant if you signed up to spew pro-Israeli crap on the internet

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/students-offered-grants-if-they-tweet-proisraeli-propaganda-8760142.html

yortem · 22-07-2014 06:55PM

hju6 wrote: »

Israel attacked an Irish aid ship in international waters
It's not anti semitism it's anti war criminals who act in the name of Israel

are you talking about this ship?
watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

yes. good poeple.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Flickr_-_Israel_Defense_Forces_-_Passengers_Use_Violence_on_the_Mavi_Marmara.jpg

really good aid supportive ship.

wes · 22-07-2014 06:58PM

yortem wrote: »

are you talking about this ship?
watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

yes. good poeple.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Flickr_-_Israel_Defense_Forces_-_Passengers_Use_Violence_on_the_Mavi_Marmara.jpg

really good aid supportive ship.

A picture from the IDF, who are as we know, in no way shape or form a trust worthy source. BTW, they had no business assaulting a ship in International waters, and then shooting people in the back.

Even if the picture was true, people have right to defend themselves from pirates, in this case the IDF being the pirates.

end of the road · 22-07-2014 07:07PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Hamas love death, they is why they have not agreed to a ceasefire like Israel did.
Why would people who believe in blowing yourself up care about their own people.
They are responsible for all the deaths in this, by starting the conflict and by not wanting to stop it.

they didn't start the conflict

yortem · 22-07-2014 07:08PM

wes wrote: »

A picture from the IDF, who are as we know, in no way shape or form a trust worthy source. BTW, they had no business assaulting a ship in International waters, and then shooting people in the back.

Even if the picture was true, people have right to defend themselves from pirates, in this case the IDF being the pirates.

israel has the right see what they are bringing to gaza..
the "Humanitarian aid" has been many times ammunition.
We are in constant danger, and we must examine anything that endangers us.

when the idf soldiers came "unarmed" to see whats on the ship, the "innocents" started a lynch on them.

Warper · 22-07-2014 07:09PM

yortem wrote: »

are you talking about this ship?
watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

yes. good poeple.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Flickr_-_Israel_Defense_Forces_-_Passengers_Use_Violence_on_the_Mavi_Marmara.jpg

really good aid supportive ship.

Complete hypocrisy, all week ive been hearing on the news Israeli and US leaders speaking about "every country has the right to defend itself when being attacked". How does that differentiate from what is happening in those photos?

end of the road · 22-07-2014 07:23PM

yortem wrote: »

israel has the right see what they are bringing to gaza..
the "Humanitarian aid" has been many times ammunition.
We are in constant danger, and we must examine anything that endangers us.

when the idf soldiers came "unarmed" to see whats on the ship, the "innocents" started a lynch on them.

your government and media lied to you, israel has no right seeing whats on board a ship in international waters, or even going toards gaza

Pawn · 22-07-2014 07:24PM

davmol wrote: »

So,the isralies had some of their citizens murdered

Ah so you just woke up now? This has been going on for years..

Karl Stein · 22-07-2014 07:35PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

i wonder, why so many european fricks worry about palestinians and nobody get a feck about tens and hundreds thousands of innocent victims in other parts of the world?

Here you go.

Karl Stein wrote: »

The conflict draws our attention for a number of reasons.

Western governments refuse to condemn Israeli brutality and we live in the west - that implicates us in a way. Thankfully Ireland is comparatively critical of the Israelis.

Irish people were once subject to colonial occupation followed by independence so we're largely sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians now just as we were with the Israelis when they were being bullied.

Unlike in other conflicts there are people who'll vehemently defend Israel regardless of its brutality and dis-proportionality - they need to be challenged. With other conflicts you simply don't have people defending brutality in anywhere near as many numbers.

The Israelis sell themselves as a western style democracy so it behoves us as western democracies to call it out when it acts like a murderous regime.

We're watching the dispossession and strangulation of a people in slow motion - it's impossible to ignore and there is no other conflict like it that I'm aware of.

Israel is the US's attack dog in the Middle East so anyone with a passing interest in world affairs will have an interest in this conflict.

According to analysts we're facing a future where there'll be a widening gap between the 'have mores' and the 'have nots'. When the 'have mores' seek to ensure their privileges and ever increasing slice of the pie they'll look to Israel's 'security' industry and see a working example of how it's done. Israel/Palestine - coming to a theatre near you (if we're not careful).

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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