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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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  • #1592
    Archie D Bunker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Archie D Bunker


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    Please tell me how... come on, justify that. Where are the Israeli casualties? Where are the Israeli victims?

    You include Palestinians as victims here, but you deny completely that they're victims of Israeli attacks...

    That's a very simplistic approach. Would more dead Israelis make you feel better about the whole thing?
    The equation is incredibly simple: no rockets = no IDF attacks.

    Why doesn't Hamas just try this approach once? Just once? Have a week without firing rockets.


  • #1593
    Archie D Bunker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Archie D Bunker


    end of the road wrote: »
    what words out of israel broke the seasefire don't you understand?

    Israel didn't break the cease fire. The Palestinians did.


  • #1594
    Meglamonia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Meglamonia


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    Please tell me how... come on, justify that. Where are the Israeli casualties? Where are the Israeli victims?

    You include Palestinians as victims here, but you deny completely that they're victims of Israeli attacks...
    Of course the Israelis are victims too it's not a matter of who can rack up the most deaths there's been a lot of heartbreak for innocent families in Israel also over the last 10 years.


  • #1595
    NewCorkLad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NewCorkLad


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    That's a very simplistic approach. Would more dead Israelis make you feel better about the whole thing?
    The equation is incredibly simple: no rockets = no IDF attacks.

    Why doesn't Hamas just try this approach once? Just once? Have a week without firing rockets.
    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    Israel didn't break the cease fire. The Palestinians did.

    I love the way you so easily interchange Hamas with Palestinians. Palestianians are not bombing Israel, Hamas is. However it is civilian Palestinians who are dying indiscriminately.


  • #1596
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    That's a very simplistic approach. Would more dead Israelis make you feel better about the whole thing?
    The equation is incredibly simple: no rockets = no IDF attacks.

    Why doesn't Hamas just try this approach once? Just once? Have a week without firing rockets.

    I'll point you back here again seeing as how you dismiss facts that don't backup your point.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91387133&postcount=1503


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  • #1597
    Archie D Bunker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Archie D Bunker


    NewCorkLad wrote: »
    I love the way you so easily interchange Hamas with Palestinians. Palestianians are not bombing Israel, Hamas is. However it is civilian Palestinians who are dying indiscriminately.

    That distinction was very purposeful.
    I'm not sure that Hamas was behind the kidnapping and murder of the 3 Israeli boys, but I know that Palestinians kidnapped and murdered them.


  • #1598
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,716 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yortem wrote: »
    This operation going on in gaza is necessary.

    answer me one quastion:

    what would your country do if some terrorist fire rocket on their cities (not on idf bases... on cities! civilians!) every day? what they would do? nothing? rockets on new york or london will be fine by them?
    heres an idea, stop stealing these peoples land stop treating them like animals, rain in the extremists on your side, maybe if the palestinians see israel making an effort they might do the same, continuing the current situation certainly won't stop rockets being fired, it will continue to encourage people to fire them

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1599
    Archie D Bunker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Archie D Bunker


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    I'll point you back here again seeing as how you dismiss facts that don't backup your point.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91387133&postcount=1503

    You chose a very poor reinforcement for what you say.
    I saw what he wrote when he wrote it and it was so detached from reality that I didn't even bother replying. Or maybe I did? not sure anymore...

    Seriously, Hamas didn't fire rockets for 18 months? tsk tsk...


  • #1600
    Archie D Bunker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Archie D Bunker


    end of the road wrote: »
    heres an idea, stop stealing these peoples land stop treating them like animals, rain in the extremists on your side, maybe if the palestinians see israel making an effort they might do the same, continuing the current situation certainly won't stop rockets being fired, it will continue to encourage people to fire them

    Israel did that and left Gaza, and all it got in return was many many more rockets and attacks. You don't consider that an effort?

    What have the Palestinians EVER DO for peace?


  • #1601
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    That distinction was very purposeful.
    I'm not sure that Hamas was behind the kidnapping and murder of the 3 Israeli boys, but I know that Palestinians kidnapped and murdered them.

    The kidnappers spoke Hebrew and we're listening to Israeli radio

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/kidnapped-israeli-teenagers-phone-call-broadcast


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  • #1602
    NewCorkLad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NewCorkLad


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    That distinction was very purposeful.
    I'm not sure that Hamas was behind the kidnapping and murder of the 3 Israeli boys, but I know that Palestinians kidnapped and murdered them.

    Ah so the murder of 3 Israelis boys by some random Palestinians signifies to you the end of a cease fire and justifies the bombing of innocent civilians. Thank God their arent many countries who operate under this logic.


  • #1603
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    Israel did that and left Gaza, and all it got in return was many many more rockets and attacks. You don't consider that an effort?

    What have the Palestinians EVER DO for peace?


    Blaming the victims yet again?


  • #1604
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    Israel did that and left Gaza, and all it got in return was many many more rockets and attacks. You don't consider that an effort?

    What have the Palestinians EVER DO for peace?

    Well they are dying now, will that work for you?


  • #1605
    Archie D Bunker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Archie D Bunker


    hju6 wrote: »
    The kidnappers spoke Hebrew and we're listening to Israeli radio

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/kidnapped-israeli-teenagers-phone-call-broadcast

    So? Most Palestinians speak at least some Hebrew, and the boys were kidnapped while hitchhiking. It would probably have been more difficult to convince them to go into the car if the radio was blasting music in Arabic.

    The identity of the kidnappers is known after all. What were you trying to imply?


  • #1606
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,716 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yortem wrote: »
    you didnt answer my quastion.
    we didnt "wipe" nobody. we got this land by rights - by the united nations! no country was her before us and we didnt force the people who lived here to go away.
    actually no, israel didn't get the current land from the united nations, israel got some but it wasn't enough, so the government decided to steal more in 1967 and have been stealing since, your government and education system lied to you and continue to lie

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1607
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    NewCorkLad wrote: »
    Ah so the murder of 3 Israelis boys by some random Palestinians signifies to you the end of a cease fire and justifies the bombing of innocent civilians. Thank God their arent many countries who operate under this logic.

    Israil holds no value on Palestinian life. Never has and never will. That's the bottom line.


  • #1608
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    That distinction was very purposeful.
    I'm not sure that Hamas was behind the kidnapping and murder of the 3 Israeli boys, but I know that Palestinians kidnapped and murdered them.

    The ceasefire was with Hamas..... So, then it was Netanyahu who broke the ceasefire....

    BTW, 2 Palestinian teenagers were murdered a few weeks before, by the IDF. So, I take it then that you accept it was the IDF who broke the ceasefire?


  • #1609
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    Israel did that and left Gaza, and all it got in return was many many more rockets and attacks. You don't consider that an effort?

    Already explained and evidence provided that Israel, then went and grabbed land in the West Bank, so they in effect gave nothing back. Just grabbed land elsewhere. Its amazing how you ignore facts, even after they have been shown to you.

    Also, comments in regards to Palestinians not doing anything for peace, look up General Keith Dayton (who I mentioned earlier, and who you ignored as you generally do), who trained Palestinians forces, who work with Israel to prevent attacks on them, and return the Palestinians have gotten even more settlements in return. I know you will ignore that fact, as you don't like facts that show you to be wrong.


  • #1610
    Archie D Bunker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Archie D Bunker


    NewCorkLad wrote: »
    Ah so the murder of 3 Israelis boys by some random Palestinians signifies to you the end of a cease fire and justifies the bombing of innocent civilians. Thank God their arent many countries who operate under this logic.

    How do you know that these were random palestinians who were not sent by Hamas?

    I think the murder on its own would not have been enough reason for Israel to go on a ground offensive in Gaza. It was just the last straw.
    Rockets were being constantly fired from Gaza into Israel even before the kidnapping, terror tunnels were still being built, and arms were still being smuggled.


  • #1611
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    So? Most Palestinians speak at least some Hebrew, and the boys were kidnapped while hitchhiking. It would probably have been more difficult to convince them to go into the car if the radio was blasting music in Arabic.

    The identity of the kidnappers is known after all. What were you trying to imply?

    The identity of the killers is not known
    As no one has been brought to justice
    Even after 350 arrests and 5 Palestinian deaths


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  • #1612
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,716 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    if the bombings are specifically targeting children and hospitals Where there is no terrorist activity you are correct.

    if the bombings are specifically targeting children and hospitals whatever the reason you are correct.
    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    Israel does not target civilians they only target terror activity and locations but there is always collateral damage in war.

    Israel targets civilians
    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    Israel does not fire on hospitals, unless they are used for terrorist activities, and even then it supplies many warnings in advance.

    Israel does fire on hospitals
    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    everyone in Israel seems to know that the Hamas leadership is hiding under the biggest hospital in Gaza

    do they? because their government have said so? shur they wouldn't lie would they?
    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    the Israelis haven't attacked it.

    yet
    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    If they are so gung ho on killing Palestinians, how come they don't just bomb that one hospital where the Hamas leadership is hiding and finish this was in a day?

    because maybe this could spur the world into action, if enough countries go up against israel they will be finished.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1613
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,716 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yortem wrote: »
    from the moment we got 'israel' the other arab countries around us started to attack us. before we took east jerusalem, west bank and golan.
    only 10 years after in the 6 days war (when we got attacked by 4 arab countries) we won as 1 army of new country against 4 strong armies from all directions. they tried to take what ours and we captured their land as part of a war to define borders.

    please read about the 6 days war on wikipedia and i hope you will understand.
    you had borders, israel wasn't innocent in either of those wars or before, the arab countries tried to invade to protect the population who were being slaughtered and forced from their homes, because the new state of israel failed to do so

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1614
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,716 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    Again with this "international law" thing?
    I'll repeat myself - there is no such thing.
    There are agreements,contracts & treaties that are signed between sovereign nations. Thats is the entire scope of international law - agreement between nations, and I doubt Hamas is a signatory to any of these treaties.
    what hamas sign up to is irrelevant as even if they did try sign america and others would stop them because it would mean they have to recognize hamas in some way or another and they don't wish to do so

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1615
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    How do you know that these were random palestinians who were not sent by Hamas?

    And with that, it could be time to start adding to my ignore list...


  • #1616
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    From http://www.thecrowhouse.com/TheMassacreOfTheGazaStrip.html

    There are massive gas field the Israeli Government wish to claim and there are 1.8million refugees attempting to hold on to the last bit of their country in the way... Operation "Protective" Edge, and even the kidnapping of the three Israeli youths (whose killers were speaking Hebrew) has been a thoroughly planned and well orchestrated genocide and Ethnic Cleansing right from the very beginning.

    This is why Israel destroyed all Hospitals, Ambulances and Water supplies. In Gaza right now there is no water, no food, no hospital, no ambulances, they are driving tanks through buildings and killing everyone they see, and Israel wont be sweeping up after the big going away party they are throwing for the people of Gaza, that way they get to kill the rest off with typhus and cholera after they leave and it wont be part of their official death toll... it will be Hamas fault for "spending billions on rockets" rather than efficient medical services.

    This is why the claim has been made that Hamas is "mass genociding" their own people. Because it paves the way for a wholesale slaughter - all of which can be blamed on Hamas. This is why Israel created Hamas. It is why Hamas rockets are fired at Israel in their hundreds and why they never hit anything or kill anyone. All has been orchestrated to provide the Israeli government the cover this rogue state required to cleanse Gaza of its people when it needed to.

    This incursion into Gaza is everything I said, and much, much more. It is a wholesale ethnic cleansing of the 1.8 million innocent refugees of the Gaza strip. right before our eyes.

    its a fire sale and everything must go

    most especially, the people.

    And it also sets the stage for the next act of this grand play which will see huge influx of global jewry to Israel resulting from the global reaction to the massacre of the final stronghold of the Palestinian people. A people, some of whom are my friends. A people Israel claims do not exist

    At the end of this "operation" there will be no more Gaza

    Make this Information viral

    Max Igan


  • #1617
    UnitedIrishman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    How do you know that these were random palestinians who were not sent by Hamas?

    How do you know they were sent by Hamas?

    The evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of them not being from Hamas.


  • #1618
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,716 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    I'm curious - do you normally justify killing civilians over land disputes?
    if a military from another country was slaughtering my friends family and fellow citizens on a daily basis i would eventually get to the stage where i would fight back

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1619
    Archie D Bunker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Archie D Bunker


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    Israil holds no value on Palestinian life. Never has and never will. That's the bottom line.

    And that's why they set up a field hospital for injured Palestinians, why they throw leaflets before attacks, why they are not bombing the Hamas leadership, why there aren't 100,000 dead Palestinians and only 500.

    I'm pretty sure I know what you'll say next (excuse me if I'm wrong but that's the usual response to what I mentioned) - that this is only because they are afraid of public opinion.

    Well, time to make up your mind isnt it?
    Only two options here: Either Israel is afraid of public opinion and acts accordingly, or they don't give a damn about public opinion and act accordingly.
    If Israel is afraid of public opinion - why on earth would they attack hospitals or schools unless they have a justifiable reason?
    If they are not afraid of public opinion - why on earth would they bother with leaflets and phone calls and warnings?


  • #1620
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    hju6 wrote: »
    From http://www.thecrowhouse.com/TheMassacreOfTheGazaStrip.html

    There are massive gas field the (..............) Information viral

    Max Igan

    Being silly there, tbh.


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  • #1621
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,716 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Archie D Bunker wrote: »
    I'm not here to justify anything. I'm sure you don't justify firing thousands of rockets into Israeli civilian areas, or suicide bombings. You just understand why they do it.

    The difference between the two is that every rocket Hamas fires is a war crime, and we are yet to find out (not from the Palestinians) what the scope of Israeli war crimes in this operation is (if there are any). Bombing a hospital used to fire rockets is not a war crime.
    yes it is

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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