Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

Ash.J.Williams · 22-07-2014 09:53AM

Ireland give aid to the Palestinians, but stay quiet in case they offend America or Israel, sleeveen feckers!

smoking_kills · 22-07-2014 09:56AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Ireland give aid to the Palestinians, but stay quiet in case they offend America or Israel, sleeveen feckers!

We should send them hurleys, they can bash the rockets back. proportional responce here we come!

Archie D Bunker · 22-07-2014 09:57AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6S0-o3uFI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWISvih1HAw

It seems Hamas wants as many Palestinian civilians dead as possible – apparently they see this as an effective method of fighting the occupation.
At least they are not forcing people to go up on those roofs before Israel shells them – Hamas just gave the order and there are plenty of volunteers who value the achieved propaganda value more than they value their own lives.

The second clip contains an interesting Freudian slip of the tongue by the Hamas spokesman…

So, Hamas wants as many Palestinians dead, and the Palestinian civilians themselves apparently are more than happy to oblige… Seems like the only ones in the area that actually want to spare Palestinian lives are the UN and Israel.

A Dub in Glasgo · 22-07-2014 09:57AM

smoking_kills wrote: »

And those Hamas rockets are full of candy right.

Of course not and they are wrong - what are you trying to say here?

Tony EH · 22-07-2014 09:58AM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Act with proportion, you say. So you want the IDF the use their citizens has human shields too?

"Human shields" my arse.

bumper234 · 22-07-2014 09:58AM

opinionated3 wrote: »

And what EXACTLY do you deem to be proportionate??

Well firing into a hospital would be considered over the top imo, how many 2 year old babies should die before Israel feels they have taught the Palestinians a lesson?

Ash.J.Williams · 22-07-2014 10:00AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Well firing into a hospital would be considered over the top imo, how many 2 year old babies should die before Israel feels they have taught the Palestinians a lesson?

goddamn palestinians putting human shields in hospital beds

smoking_kills · 22-07-2014 10:01AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

goddamn palestinians putting human shields in hospital beds

goddamn Hamas terrorists hiding in hospitals!

wes · 22-07-2014 10:01AM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Do/did the IRA use their own kind as human shields?

Hamas are a lot more dishonourable than the IRA ever were.

0 evidence provided to support this claim, and plenty to suggest its not true:

Israel-Gaza conflict: The myth of Hamas’s human shields

Its always interesting that the level of proof needed to make any claims against the IDF is so high, and yet when it comes to the Palestinians, none is ever needed.

A Dub in Glasgo · 22-07-2014 10:02AM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Act with proportion, you say. So you want the IDF the use their citizens has human shields too?

Is that what you think the Palestinian civilians are? No wonder Israel acts like this with apologists like you willing them on

bumper234 · 22-07-2014 10:02AM

smoking_kills wrote: »

goddamn Hamas terrorists hiding in hospitals!

And are their many 2 year old terrorists? Or do you feel it's ok to bomb a hospital killing innocent civilians on the off chance it MAY kill a hamas soldier?

Archie D Bunker · 22-07-2014 10:04AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Well firing into a hospital would be considered over the top imo, how many 2 year old babies should die before Israel feels they have taught the Palestinians a lesson?

The israelis said repeatedly - if Hamas stops firing rockets, Israel will stop the assault. So the real question is how many dead Palestinian babies would it take before Hamas stops attacking Israel? How many dead Palestinian babies would it take before the brave Hamas warriors stop hiding munition and rockets in schools and hospitals?

smoking_kills · 22-07-2014 10:04AM

bumper234 wrote: »

And are their many 2 year old terrorists? Or do you feel it's ok to bomb a hospital killing innocent civilians on the off chance it MAY kill a hamas soldier?

No I dont, the IDF apparantly do though.

A Dub in Glasgo · 22-07-2014 10:05AM

smoking_kills wrote: »

goddamn Hamas terrorists hiding in hospitals!

Since when was it acceptable to kill wounded combatants and for people not to be treated in hospitals?

Is it acceptable for Hamas to blow up Israeli hospitals in the hope they might get an Israeli soldier?

bumper234 · 22-07-2014 10:05AM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

The israelis said repeatedly - if Hamas stops firing rockets, Israel will stop the assault. So the real question is how many dead Palestinian babies would it take before Hamas stops attacking Israel? How many dead Palestinian babies would it take before the brave Hamas warriors stop hiding munition and rockets in schools and hospitals?

So you are saying it's not Israels fault that Israel is firing rockets into hospitals and killing children?

Archie D Bunker · 22-07-2014 10:05AM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Is that what you think the Palestinian civilians are? No wonder Israel acts like this with apologists like you willing them on

That's exactly what they are to Hamas. I even submitted the proof a few posts back.

wes · 22-07-2014 10:05AM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6S0-o3uFI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWISvih1HAw

Ah yes, the first link, from Memri, who fake translations:

Issues of reliability and veracity

and the 2nd some guy saying something stupid. Interesting how when the independent.co.uk investigated Israels claims, they found nothing to back them up.

bumper234 · 22-07-2014 10:06AM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Since when was it acceptable to kill wounded combatants and for people not to be treated in hospitals?

Is it acceptable for Hamas to blow up Israeli hospitals in the hope they might get an Israeli soldier?

Link please?

opinionated3 · 22-07-2014 10:06AM

Anyone willing to answer what exactly they deem to be a proportionate response to consistent rocket fire into Israeli civilian areas? ........ and the horrific abduction and murdering of those Israeli teenagers?

Tony EH · 22-07-2014 10:08AM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Anyone willing to answer what exactly they deem to be a proportionate response to consistent rocket fire into Israeli civilian areas?

You've been responded to.

NOT level entire streets of families and murder everything they can.

bumper234 · 22-07-2014 10:09AM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Anyone willing to answer what exactly they deem to be a proportionate response to consistent rocket fire into Israeli civilian areas? ........ and the horrific abduction and murdering of those Israeli teenagers?

Go after the guys shooting the rockets, Surgical strikes and assassinations if you must. Carpet bombing neighbourhoods and indiscriminately killing children is not the way though.

Archie D Bunker · 22-07-2014 10:10AM

bumper234 wrote: »

So you are saying it's not Israels fault that Israel is firing rockets into hospitals and killing children?

Israel does not target children. Israel targets Hamas terrorists, launch sites, tunnels, etc.
War is ugly, and innocents die. If people are warned to evacuate and they don't because they feel the need to become martyrs, then it is not Israel's fault, it's the Palestinians suicide bomber mentality's fault.
If a hospital is used as a launch site for rockets, or a staging ground for terrorists then it becomes a valid target, and the only ones to blame are the Palestinians themselves because they are the ones who made it thus.

opinionated3 · 22-07-2014 10:10AM

I asked you what exactly they should do in response. ... Not what they shouldn't do. Very easy to type "bollocks" talk now isn't it??

wes · 22-07-2014 10:10AM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Anyone willing to answer what exactly they deem to be a proportionate response to consistent rocket fire into Israeli civilian areas?

Perhaps don't break the ceasefire in the first place, by attacking Hamas, for something they didn't do in the first place. Perhaps, end there siege, which is an illegal act of collective punishment on a civilian population. End settlement expansion and violence from the IDF against Palestinians civilians in the West Bank, and make an effort to stop settlers attacking Palestinians (to be fair the IDF wouldn't be able to stop this a 100%).

Hamas, should most certainly end there rocket attacks, and also try and stop other from doing so (same for Hamas, here they can't 100% stop other groups from doing this).

The entire notion that there is some kind of 1 sided violence against Israel is nonsense, and the best defense for Israel, is to end its aggression against the Palestinians.

bumper234 · 22-07-2014 10:11AM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Israel does not target children. Israel targets Hamas terrorists, launch sites, tunnels, etc.
War is ugly, and innocents die. If people are warned to evacuate and they don't because they feel the need to become martyrs, then it is not Israel's fault, it's the Palestinians suicide bomber mentality's fault.
If a hospital is used as a launch site for rockets, or a staging ground for terrorists then it becomes a valid target, and the only ones to blame are the Palestinian themselves because they are the ones who made it thus.

Yeah

https://news.vice.com/article/israeli-shelling-kills-4-children-on-gaza-beach

opinionated3 · 22-07-2014 10:12AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Go after the guys shooting the rockets, Surgical strikes and assassinations if you must. Carpet bombing neighbourhoods and indiscriminately killing children is not the way though.

And if a mobile rocket launcher is placed beside a hospital or deep in a civilian area what would you like them to do then?

bumper234 · 22-07-2014 10:13AM

opinionated3 wrote: »

And if a mobile rocket launcher is placed beside a hospital or deep in a civilian area what would you like them to do then?

I would send in helicopters and foot soldiers, I wouldn't fire a **** load of rockets INTO a hospital and indiscriminately kill people.

wes · 22-07-2014 10:14AM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Israel does not target children. Israel targets Hamas terrorists, launch sites, tunnels, etc.

Blowing up a cafe showing the world cup says otherwise. Murdering children on a beach in full view of the media, says otherwise. Murdering 2 Palestinians teenagers in the West Bank, before the whole mess started, says otherwise. I could keep going and going.

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

War is ugly, and innocents die.

Ah that old chestnut, use to excuse murder and mayhem.

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

If people are warned to evacuate and they don't because they feel the need to become martyrs, then it is not Israel's fault, it's the Palestinians suicide bomber mentality's fault.

Ah yes, and where exactly do they go then? Seeing as they can't leave Gaza, and even going to another part of Gaza doesn't guarantee they won't be attacked there.

Still nice of you to blame the victims.

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

If a hospital is used as a launch site for rockets, or a staging ground for terrorists then it becomes a valid target, and the only ones to blame are the Palestinians themselves because they are the ones who made it thus.

I am sure you have proof of this.....

Tony EH · 22-07-2014 10:15AM

opinionated3 wrote: »

I asked you what exactly they should do in response. ... Not what they shouldn't do. Very easy to type "bollocks" talk now isn't it??

Go away

opinionated3 · 22-07-2014 10:16AM

wes wrote: »

Perhaps don't break the ceasefire in the first place, by attacking Hamas, for something they didn't do in the first place. Perhaps, end there siege, which is an illegal act of collective punishment on a civilian population. End settlement expansion and violence from the IDF against Palestinians civilians in the West Bank, and make an effort to stop settlers attacking Palestinians (to be fair the IDF wouldn't be able to stop this a 100%).

Hamas, should most certainly end there rocket attacks, and also try and stop other from doing so (same for Hamas, here they can't 100% stop other groups from doing this).

The entire notion that there is some kind of 1 sided violence against Israel is nonsense, and the best defense for Israel, is to end its aggression against the Palestinians.

For any of that to happen would you not agree that Hamas would have to change their ideology of destroying the Israeli nation? I agree with a lot of what you said just there. I just think that in this conflict the extremist element on both sides is dominant. No moderate voices seem to be heard

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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