Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Donnielighto · 21-07-2014 05:54PM

MD1990 wrote: »

They didn't buy any world class players that summer. Tevez had an average season in 08/09 so did Adebayor. City were offering wages that no one else was near offering at that time also.

Im not on the site all the time so its very easy to miss posts when there is no notifications when someone replys to your comment.

http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?quoted=MD1990&sort=newest

There ya go

Donnielighto · 21-07-2014 05:58PM

MD1990 wrote: »

I think a key difference could hopefully be that players Liverpool are buying have PL experience & our other young players from last season should improve. We could definetly do with a World Class signing but its unlikely with Liverpool's wage structure.

Do you trust rodgers with the cash? I do think that some of your players will improve but defensively you need a ton of work as well. Suarez might not be the huge loss he seems to be honest. I saw stats from the end of april that showed sturridge was more efficient when he scored, ie a lot more regularly while ye were losing and more regularly when drawing also, suarez battered him when ye were winning but tbh those goals are less important (the was per 90 mins on the pitch so it did take overall game time into account and allowed for it.

MD1990 · 21-07-2014 06:01PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Tevez, Toure and Silva were all top class at the time City bought them without CL football.

Toure was being played out of position & not in Barca's team. He wasn't the player he is now. Silva was with Valencia a team known for selling. Dortmund don't let there players go easily look at the Lewandowski situation. Juventus havn't sold any of there best players in recent years.

advertsfox · 21-07-2014 06:13PM

So it seems Evra may be purchasing Vidal's house which went up for sale recently...

homerjay2005 · 21-07-2014 06:13PM

if you read through the timeline of the lad who started the story about Woodward coming home today, he states that while Woodward didnt/wouldnt discuss who the club were after, he denied any interest in Vidal.

Adamocovic · 21-07-2014 06:16PM

MD1990 wrote: »

They didn't buy any world class players that summer. Tevez had an average season in 08/09 so did Adebayor. City were offering wages that no one else was near offering at that time also.

I imagine he is referring to how in 2009/2010 they finished outside of the CL spot then in that summer bought Yaya Toure from Barcelona, David Silva from Valencia, Balotelli from Inter Milan, Dzeko from Wolfsburg and Boateng from Hamburg, all bar Boateng costing £24million+

United have the money and appeal to get big name players in. Missing out in CL one season won't damage that by much. The fact that VG has joined is a big boost too.

beno619 · 21-07-2014 06:17PM

MD1990 wrote: »

They didn't buy any world class players that summer. Tevez had an average season in 08/09 so did Adebayor. City were offering wages that no one else was near offering at that time also.

Im not on the site all the time so its very easy to miss posts when there is no notifications when someone replys to your comment.

Lol. Tevez wasn't a world class player because Fergie favoured his new 30M player Berbatov, let's forget the preceding 48 month's . Adebayor Arsenals top scorer.

Insect Overlord · 21-07-2014 06:17PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

If I found football made me angry all the time I think I'd have to take a break from it. :pac:

Been there, done that. It works very well!

Valmont wrote: »

You're all such pessimists. I'm still hopeful Ronaldo will be back in the No. 7 shirt by the end of August.

Love it. That'd be brilliant.

What year was it a load of Boardsies grouped together to start a credible yet crazy transfer rumour?

beno619 · 21-07-2014 06:17PM

MD1990 wrote: »

They didn't buy any world class players that summer. Tevez had an average season in 08/09 so did Adebayor. City were offering wages that no one else was near offering at that time also.

Im not on the site all the time so its very easy to miss posts when there is no notifications when someone replys to your comment.

Lol. Tevez wasn't a world class player because Fergie favoured his new 30M player Berbatov, let's forget the preceding 48 month's . Adebayor Arsenals top scorer.

KombuchaMshroom · 21-07-2014 06:20PM

I love this notion that other rival fans are trying to convince themselves of, that one season without a few champions league matches means that we automatically cant sign any top class players any more, like the whole of the club is completely altered by one poor season.

Herrara had champions league football with Bilbao, but obviously enough playing for United without CL for 1 year is a lot more prestigious than playing for Atletic with it.
Mata joined the club knowing we weren't going to have it this season.
Shaw chose us over Chelsea his boyhood as well.
Players aren't that short sighted.

Love how this is mostly coming from pool fans too, who for years we're talking about their clubs pulling power with players despite not having champions league or even once competing for the title.

irishfeen · 21-07-2014 06:25PM

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

I love this notion that other rival fans are trying to convince themselves of, that one season without a few champions league matches means that we automatically cant sign any top class players any more, like the whole of the club is completely altered by one poor season.

Herrara had champions league football with Bilbao, but obviously enough playing for United without CL for 1 year is a lot more prestigious than playing for Atletic with it.
Mata joined the club knowing we weren't going to have it this season.
Shaw chose us over Chelsea his boyhood as well.
Players aren't that short sighted.

Love how this is mostly coming from pool fans too, who for years we're talking about their clubs pulling power with players despite not having champions league or even once competing for the title.

Noticing a lot of reactive s.hite talk from friends too (Pool fans) about United- its like they are only finally realising that last year was their greatest chance to win the PL and they basically threw it away and many now seem to be very worried that United could with a few signings have a run like themselves and possibly extend out further the number of championships won.

Will I Amnt · 21-07-2014 06:26PM

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

I love this notion that other rival fans are trying to convince themselves of, that one season without a few champions league matches means that we automatically cant sign any top class players any more, like the whole of the club is completely altered by one poor season.

Herrara had champions league football with Bilbao, but obviously enough playing for United without CL for 1 year is a lot more prestigious than playing for Atletic with it.
Mata joined the club knowing we weren't going to have it this season.
Shaw chose us over Chelsea his boyhood as well.
Players aren't that short sighted.

Love how this is mostly coming from pool fans too, who for years we're talking about their clubs pulling power with players despite not having champions league or even once competing for the title.

That's it in a nutshell. Everybody should just quote this post every time the argument rears it's ugly head.

Lukker- · 21-07-2014 06:28PM

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

Shaw chose us over Chelsea his boyhood as well.

Would be hard to chose Chelsea when they weren't in for him.

The Moldy Gowl · 21-07-2014 06:29PM

Liverpool wont win a major trophy for the next 15 years.

There I said it.

No saurez and surely gerrards last season?

They are a team of just above average joes with one or 2 good players

Adamocovic · 21-07-2014 06:33PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Liverpool wont win a major trophy for the next 15 years.

There I said it.

No saurez and surely gerrards last season?

They are a team of just above average joes with one or 2 good players

Ha thats a bit of a bold statement, 15 years is a long time and I can definitely see them winning some trophies within the next 5 years...as much as that pains me to say.

thelad95 · 21-07-2014 06:34PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Liverpool wont win a major trophy for the next 15 years.

There I said it.

No saurez and surely gerrards last season?

They are a team of just above average joes with one or 2 good players

viper006 · 21-07-2014 06:34PM

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

I love this notion that other rival fans are trying to convince themselves of, that one season without a few champions league matches means that we automatically cant sign any top class players any more, like the whole of the club is completely altered by one poor season.

Herrara had champions league football with Bilbao, but obviously enough playing for United without CL for 1 year is a lot more prestigious than playing for Atletic with it.
Mata joined the club knowing we weren't going to have it this season.
Shaw chose us over Chelsea his boyhood as well.
Players aren't that short sighted.

Love how this is mostly coming from pool fans too, who for years we're talking about their clubs pulling power with players despite not having champions league or even once competing for the title.

As a Liverpool fan myself, I can tell ya very few Liverpool fans on any forum I read think what you suggesting. . With the kind money and success United having generated in last few years I could easily see the likes of vidal, hummels signing if the wages are good enough.

Any pool fan that thinks otherwise are deluding themselves. Same with other sets of fans so Liverpool are doing a spurs with the cash. Spurs finished 3 points their season before tally, we do the same happy days. I'm delighted with the transfers so far, we added depth truly lacking for ages. Think United and Liverpool will be in a right battle of ttop 4 next season.

Rayne Wooney · 21-07-2014 06:36PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Toure was being played out of position & not in Barca's team. He wasn't the player he is now. Silva was with Valencia a team known for selling. Dortmund don't let there players go easily look at the Lewandowski situation. Juventus havn't sold any of there best players in recent years.

Toure's problem was Iniesta and Xavi two of the midfield greats ahead of him, it doesn't matter who Silva was playing with he was still an excellent player. Tevez was great for United

I could go on, the line you keep throwing out is proven wrong.

And City weren't one of the biggest clubs in the world, and the most successful English team who have also dominated the last 20+ years when they were buying either. United have way more pull than City had then

It seems to be mainly Liverpool fans throwing that line around lately and it probably stems from some United fans lazily using it to silence Liverpool fans in the past, the reality is no CL football was just one of Liverpool's problems, along with not having the same money as United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal, being the 7th/6th best team in England recent years which isn't going to attract top quality, and mainly doing fcuk all really over the past 20 years on the field is why Liverpool couldn't attract the top quality players. So you see Liverpool fans trying to "get one back" on United by using it just sound really stupid

Rayne Wooney · 21-07-2014 06:38PM

Lukker- wrote: »

Would be hard to chose Chelsea when they weren't in for him.

The Moldy Gowl · 21-07-2014 06:40PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Ha thats a bit of a bold statement, 15 years is a long time and I can definitely see them winning some trophies within the next 5 years...as much as that pains me to say.

Im bold and a maverick. League cup dosent count. Sure how long did Arsenal go without winning a trophy and they had a world class team just before then.

I think thats why they are worried.

MD1990 · 21-07-2014 06:44PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Toure's problem was Iniesta and Xavi two of the midfield greats ahead of him, it doesn't matter who Silva was playing with he was still an excellent player. Tevez was great for United

I could go on, the line you keep throwing out is proven wrong.

And City weren't one of the biggest clubs in the world, and the most successful English team who have also dominated the last 20+ years when they were buying either. United have way more pull than City had then

It seems to be mainly Liverpool fans throwing that line around lately and it probably stems from some United fans lazily using it to silence Liverpool fans in the past, the reality is no CL football was just one of Liverpool's problems, along with not having the same money as United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal, being the 7th/6th best team in England recent years which isn't going to attract top quality, and mainly doing fcuk all really over the past 20 years on the field is why Liverpool couldn't attract the top quality players. So you see Liverpool fans trying to "get one back" on United by using it just sound really stupid

Man Utd have missed on World Class not in the premier league already (eg Mata & RVP) on a consistent basis last 10 years.

03 - Ronaldinho
04- Robben
06 - Torres
09 - Benzema
11 - Nasri
12 - Lucas Moura
13 - Bale,Ronaldo, Fabregas

Donnielighto · 21-07-2014 06:46PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Toure was being played out of position & not in Barca's team. He wasn't the player he is now. Silva was with Valencia a team known for selling. Dortmund don't let there players go easily look at the Lewandowski situation. Juventus havn't sold any of there best players in recent years.

Klopp didnt want to sell to bayern. look at kagawa 24 months ago.

Gareth barry, roque santa cruz, KOLO toure, lescott, Tevez, adebayor

Robinho, Jo, Nigel de Jong,

Yaya Toure, David Silva, Edin Dzeko.

They were all highly rated either domestically or in other leagues when they moved (Jo was high value but can be left out).

All of those were bought before CL football by a team with much less prestige than Utd.

Now you can argue that some of them may have underperformed if you do then you should accept that some of them were as good as the money spent (Yaya).

Plenty of highly rated players (at time of purchase) there over three seasons without a CL football

Donnielighto · 21-07-2014 06:47PM

An File wrote: »

Been there, done that. It works very well!

Love it. That'd be brilliant.

What year was it a load of Boardsies grouped together to start a credible yet crazy transfer rumour?

2 or 3 seasons ago, some korean lad i think to newcastle.

glued · 21-07-2014 06:49PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Man Utd have missed on World Class not in the premier league already (eg Mata & RVP) on a consistent basis last 10 years.

03 - Ronaldinho
04- Robben
06 - Torres
09 - Benzema
11 - Nasri
12 - Lucas Moura
13 - Bale,Ronaldo, Fabregas

Don't forget about Hazard and Ozil. In that ten year period you're talking about we also won 6 PL titles... A World Class trophy haul...

Adamocovic · 21-07-2014 06:49PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Man Utd have missed on World Class not in the premier league already (eg Mata & RVP) on a consistent basis last 10 years.

03 - Ronaldinho
04- Robben
06 - Torres
09 - Benzema
11 - Nasri
12 - Lucas Moura
13 - Bale,Ronaldo, Fabregas

You do know that every club in the world can't sign every player they want or are rumoured with?

Lukker- · 21-07-2014 06:51PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Chelsea didn't bid for him.

Vic Vinegar · 21-07-2014 06:51PM

Or we could just not respond.

The Moldy Gowl · 21-07-2014 06:51PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Man Utd have missed on World Class not in the premier league already (eg Mata & RVP) on a consistent basis last 10 years.

03 - Ronaldinho
04- Robben
06 - Torres
09 - Benzema
11 - Nasri
12 - Lucas Moura
13 - Bale,Ronaldo, Fabregas

Taking Ronaldo out as there was no proof, plus bale went for 100 mill and we would never have paid that.

7 players in 10 years if we were actually in for them, not bad

Rayne Wooney · 21-07-2014 06:52PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Man Utd have missed on World Class not in the premier league already (eg Mata & RVP) on a consistent basis last 10 years.

03 - Ronaldinho
04- Robben
06 - Torres
09 - Benzema
11 - Nasri
12 - Lucas Moura
13 - Bale,Ronaldo, Fabregas

United rarely ever went for top players outside of England after Fergie got burned a few times

Your list is also wrong, Nasri and Bale were in the PL, and Robben Benzema and Lucas Moura were not world class

Adamocovic · 21-07-2014 06:53PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Or we could just not respond.

Ha I think I will follow your advice. It looks like it will just keep going in circles.

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