Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

beno619 · 21-07-2014 03:14PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Evra was a liability for two years. Rio was on his last legs. Neither should have been getting game time next season given our reduced number of games. I can see the case for keeping Vidic, but it was absolutely the right call to move Rio and Evra on; their time's were come and gone at United, and keeping their wages on the books for "experience" would have been nonsensical IMO.

There was definitely a case for keeping Evra and one of Rio and Vida around, considering most of Fergies great sides contained a good balance of youth and experience I find your comment very strange.

Rayne Wooney · 21-07-2014 03:15PM

Evra was fecking awful in his last two seasons, dreadful. Not his fault he wasn't replaced though in fairness and it doesn't take away his legend status for me and the great years he had for us.

MagicIRL · 21-07-2014 03:16PM

Evra only began to fall because he was playing so many games at such an "old" age for an attacking LB. Had Shaw come 2/3 seasons earlier, Evra would've been rotated out and in as needed and we would've seen a much better player IMO.

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 21-07-2014 03:18PM

Lads surely if Vidal was coming Evra would have been a make weight?

Oregano_State · 21-07-2014 03:18PM

Daley Blind, Vidal, and Vermaelen or another solid but unspectacular CB would leave us in a fantastic position.

I would have been ok with waiting until January for Strootman if it hadn't been for the Carrick injury, but we need to get a DM in now if Vidal doesn't come off.

Crimson King · 21-07-2014 03:18PM

Fair play Evra, thanks for the memories. Have a great career in Italy

Anyone else think Adrien Rabiot is worth a punt? I know its a poor league but the few times I have seen him he looks impressive and with one year left on his contract he would not be expensive.

homerjay2005 · 21-07-2014 03:20PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Evra was a liability for two years. Rio was on his last legs. Neither should have been getting game time next season given our reduced number of games. I can see the case for keeping Vidic, but it was absolutely the right call to move Rio and Evra on; their time's were come and gone at United, and keeping their wages on the books for "experience" would have been nonsensical IMO.

so the Italian champions think Evra is good enough for them (along with the france international team), yet he is not good enough to even remain as a back up left back next year in your eyes?

do you actually realise we now have 2 full backs left, id understand if the replacements are already there but 3 weeks before the start of the new season, we now have a need to sign 3 defenders.

at least the good thing is that Evra no longer will be made a scapegoat on ere when things go belly up in games.

Oregano_State wrote: »

Daley Blind, Vidal, and Vermaelen or another solid but unspectacular CB would leave us in a fantastic position.

that would see our total spend for the summer hitting about £150million......you honestly think that is going to happen?

Oregano_State · 21-07-2014 03:22PM

MrMac84 wrote: »

Lads surely if Vidal was coming Evra would have been a make weight?

They generally don't present them like that, even if it is the case. I doubt Evra would be too happy being officially labelled a makeweight.

Unless they're puling money out of their arse, Juve are going to have to sell at least one one of their big names (read Pogba of Vidal) before the end of the window to balance the books.

Evra going to Juve is the first solid thing I've seen that gives Vidal to United a sense of actually being withing the realms of reality.

homerjay2005 · 21-07-2014 03:25PM

5 of the first 11 squad numbers now available - 3, 5, 7, 9 and 11 along with Vidics 15 and probably 1 or 2 more players going.

even assuming Shaw and herrera get 2 of them, it shows how big the rebuilding job is.

Adamcp898 · 21-07-2014 03:25PM

MrMac84 wrote: »

Lads surely if Vidal was coming Evra would have been a make weight?

Nah, wouldn't use it as an indication of anything one way or the other tbh, part-exchange deals while often mooted, rarely occur.

One side, usually the one offering the player as part of the deal, always ends up (or at least always has the impression of) not quite getting market value and so are losing out as compared to if the deals were done separately. It's far easier to isolate the two deals and then when the money is changing hands to subtract one from the other.

beakerjoe · 21-07-2014 03:26PM

Shaw and Herrera for no3 and 5 perhaps?

Delboy5 · 21-07-2014 03:27PM

With Evra leaving thats another huge salary off the wage bill, at least £400,000 a week off it this summer......

Whatsisname · 21-07-2014 03:27PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

5 of the first 11 squad numbers now available - 3, 5, 7, 9 and 11.

even assuming Shaw and herrera get 2 of them, it shows how big the rebuilding job is.

squad numbers hardly reflect how important a player is to the squad? Van Persie 20, Keane 16, Scholes 18, etc

Maximus Alexander · 21-07-2014 03:28PM

Sad to see Evra go, despite his poor form recently I think he still had something to offer if he was to play fewer games. He was a great character also. Wish him the best at Juve.

RobertKK · 21-07-2014 03:28PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so the Italian champions think Evra is good enough for them (along with the france international team), yet he is not good enough to even remain as a back up left back next year in your eyes?

do you actually realise we now have 2 full backs left, id understand if the replacements are already there but 3 weeks before the start of the new season, we now have a need to sign 3 defenders.

at least the good thing is that Evra no longer will be made a scapegoat on ere when things go belly up in games.

that would see our total spend for the summer hitting about £150million......you honestly think that is going to happen?

But we had Vidic and Evra fighting last season.
Vidic was blaming Evra for neglecting his defensive duties.

Maximus Alexander · 21-07-2014 03:28PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

squad numbers hardly reflect how important a player is to the squad? Van Persie 20, Keane 16, Scholes 18, etc

Tom Cleverley 23.

Adamcp898 · 21-07-2014 03:28PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so the Italian champions think Evra is good enough for them (along with the france international team), yet he is not good enough to even remain as a back up left back next year in your eyes?

do you actually realise we now have 2 full backs left, id understand if the replacements are already there but 3 weeks before the start of the new season, we now have a need to sign 3 defenders.

at least the good thing is that Evra no longer will be made a scapegoat on ere when things go belly up in games.

Would agree with this, I don't see the point in selling squad players when it puts you under to pressure to sign another squad player, particularly when you're not going to make any money out of it.

It just ends up using resources you could be putting towards addressing starting XI issues and is the reason why I was never one for the ''Summer clearout sale special'' some here were advocating.

Lord TSC · 21-07-2014 03:29PM

beno619 wrote: »

There was definitely a case for keeping Evra and one of Rio and Vida around, considering most of Fergies great sides contained a good balance of youth and experience I find your comment very strange.

There's comes a time when you've got to ask what a player has to offer, and while I get Evra offered experience, as a player, he was seriously in decline. Keeping a player for the sake of it makes no sense; otherwise, why did we ever let any player retire or leave when age was catching up to them?

Every player has a shelf life, and every player eventually has to stop playing for United. In my opinion, Evra's time was last summer and should have been phased out. Moyes spent time after Baines and Coentrao, and started the ball rolling on Shaw for a reason.

It's also highly likely that a player with Evra's experience wasn't going to be happy playing second fiddle and sitting on the bench for the next season, so I believe that the move to Juvi is beneficial for both us and him.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so the Italian champions think Evra is good enough for them (along with the france international team), yet he is not good enough to even remain as a back up left back next year in your eyes?

If Juventus think he's good enough to play for them, good for them. Doesn't change my opinion that I don't think he was good enough any more to preform at a top level in the Premier League.

do you actually realise we now have 2 full backs left, id understand if the replacements are already there but 3 weeks before the start of the new season, we now have a need to sign 3 defenders.

I'd be shocked if we don't already have a LB lined up now; the Evra deal seemed done ages ago, so I'd imagine the delay in announcing it was down to the fact United wants to try and get a replacement lined up. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see a new signing in the next few days, be it Blind, Verm or whoever.

Rubber_Soul · 21-07-2014 03:35PM

Sad to see Evra the person go. Evra the player, not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a8NAPJaE-4

Those saying we should have kept him on for a while longer in a back-up role forget the club took the option to keep him for another year and by all accounts I've seen it was Evra who wanted to move on. What makes you think he would have any interest whatsoever in accepting a role as back-up?

Montroseee · 21-07-2014 03:38PM

There has to be two full backs lined up - a back up for Shaw and a right back for Rafael when he is inevitably out injured for months/suspended.

homerjay2005 · 21-07-2014 03:39PM

a few months back, Woodward advised the shareholders that there would be a double digit % increase in player wages this summer......not shaping up like that at the moment anyway for sure -

with the impending departure of Anderson, £24.2million has now been wiped off the #mufc wage bill since May (excluding incomings)

with surely another player or two likely to leave, that figure will top £30million drop before we start adding in the new signings.

Lord TSC wrote: »

I'd be shocked if we don't already have a LB lined up now; the Evra deal seemed done ages ago, so I'd imagine the delay in announcing it was down to the fact United wants to try and get a replacement lined up. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see a new signing in the next few days, be it Blind, Verm or whoever.

id rather have Vidic and Evra still in the team than splashing out £12million on Vermaelen. this then brings us back to our constant argument over whether we have an endless pot of cash for transfers which you seem to think we do. every player that leaves, will cost big money to replace and weve already spend £100m this year...that spending will stop so a suituation will eventually arise that the quality of players coming in may not be as good as Vidic and Evra no matter what age they are.

Blatter · 21-07-2014 03:39PM

Evra was a great United player between 06-11. Great servant throughout those years and deserves admiration for that.

However, the reality is he should have been sold a long time ago. He was an ever present weak link in the team for around 3 years now, exploited down the left hand side time and time again and a very poor influence on the rest of the team with his lazy positioning and his lack of urgency when tracking back. It's a mystery how he is still highly rated by some.

TheDoc · 21-07-2014 03:41PM

Blind and De Wrij (Magic help me) are my two picks I'd put money on. Somewhat related, Blind went off on a stretcher against Brazil, was there anything substantial to the injury?

NoviGlitzko · 21-07-2014 03:43PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

id rather have Vidic and Evra still in the team than splashing out £12million on Vermaelen.

This. Vidic gone leaves a big hole at the back.

Nevertheless, I'm sure LVG & Giggs know this and will make sure we have appropriate cover.

dahat · 21-07-2014 03:45PM

Fabio,Buttner and now Evra, we do not like keeping LB's!!

Hard to see Vermalean being satisfactory cover at LB, much prefer Blind and or Vertonghen signed though the latter is not going to happen.

homerjay2005 · 21-07-2014 03:47PM

dahat wrote: »

Fabio,Buttner and now Evra, we do not like keeping LB's!!

Hard to see Vermalean being satisfactory cover at LB

would hazard an educated guess that Vermaelen is being signed also for this very reason.

Rayne Wooney · 21-07-2014 03:47PM

Would rather have kept Buttner than Evra

Evra leaving means cover must be bought so the club obviously feel like they can get a better player in

Danye · 21-07-2014 03:49PM

dahat wrote: »

Fabio,Buttner and now Evra, we do not like keeping LB's!!

Hard to see Vermalean being satisfactory cover at LB, much prefer Blind and or Vertonghen signed though the latter is not going to happen.

Fabio and Buttner weren't up to the required level and Evra is past it. I don't mind letting average players go.

MagicIRL · 21-07-2014 03:49PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Blind and De Wrij (Magic help me) are my two picks I'd put money on. Somewhat related, Blind went off on a stretcher against Brazil, was there anything substantial to the injury?

Use your head voice to mimic a Northside Dublin voice and say "The Fridge".

de Vrij. :cool:

+10 Rep for correct spelling. BOOM!

Adamocovic · 21-07-2014 03:54PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Use your head voice to mimic a Northside Dublin voice and say "The Fridge".

de Vrij. :cool:

+10 Rep for correct spelling. BOOM!

Speaking of The Fridge, Feyenoord have made it pretty clear he can go for around £8-£12million, would be a great signing at that price.

Still only 22 and had the most tackles/interceptions in the world cup. And not to mention he can cover right back if needed.

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