Shocking video of guards in Dublin today

bumper234 · 20-07-2014 09:39AM

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Have I missed the snacks?

There is some trail mix left in the bowl but the beers are all gone

The Aussie · 20-07-2014 09:40AM

20Cent wrote: »

Looks to me like the seizure started right at the start when he drops down.

You are wrong, typical action of a protester is to make themselves harder to remove by making the Guards carry them, I asked for exact time in the Video, I'm still waiting for it, that's if it's "clearly seen"

20Cent wrote: »

Bit sick finding that funny tbh

Nah, just your post tbh...

20Cent · 20-07-2014 09:45AM

The Aussie wrote: »

You are wrong, typical action of a protester is to make themselves harder to remove by making the Guards carry them, I asked for exact time in the Video, I'm still waiting for it, that's if it's "clearly seen"

Nah, just your post tbh...

16 seconds in he drops and immediately start spasming. Pretty clear really.

caustic 1 · 20-07-2014 09:47AM

Erm if it was Israel/ Palestine protest why were they at the American embassy?:rolleyes:

Maybe that's why they were being moved, wrong address doh.:D

bumper234 · 20-07-2014 09:47AM

20Cent wrote: »

16 seconds in he drops and immediately start spasming. Pretty clear really.

Looks to be resisting to me.

MRnotlob606 · 20-07-2014 09:48AM

there should never be that many people around a person who is having an epileptic fit.I done first Aid and I know. there is no need for this many guards around him

Guy:Incognito · 20-07-2014 09:49AM

20Cent wrote: »

16 seconds in he drops and immediately start spasming. Pretty clear really.

So why does the woman say "hes going to have a fit in a minite" much later?

20Cent · 20-07-2014 09:57AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So why does the woman say "hes going to have a fit in a minite" much later?

How should I know!
Shock, couldn't see lots of possible reasons.

4Sticks · 20-07-2014 10:02AM

The only shocking aspects of this thread is the title and those who take their cue from that. The very worst thing thing cops are guilty of ( I am not a particular fan of them generally btw ) is momentary clumsiness lasting about 2 seconds. There was not a shred of brutality. The rest of the clip sees them diligently trying to help the man whilst the crowd heckles. The crowd were shocking - not the cops.

Guy:Incognito · 20-07-2014 10:02AM

20Cent wrote: »

How should I know!
Shock, couldn't see lots of possible reasons.

So there's no way she has a much better view of what's going on than you and he wasn't having a seizure till after they put him down?

Surely if you can be so certain about some aspects you can fill us in on the exact details of the rest.

dharma200 · 20-07-2014 10:03AM

from m experience a pre cursor to a fit can be rolling eyes, flailing arms etc. it seems obvious the person saying he is going to have a fit knows him, maybe she saw the precursors to this...
Im not for guard bashing, i know its a ****e job, but i don't think anyone can say procedures were in place... a little bang on the head is enough to kill and i think maybe if the video serves to highlight to any serving or potential guards on here (of which i know there is many) on how NOT to deal with protesters then why ho... It also looks to me like his fit started early on in, which is why if there were at least four guards (they certainly weren't short on bodies) had each limb it would have been obvious. They shouldn't have moved him until able to do so. I think that doesn't even need arguing about, however i know it is after hours so....

4Sticks · 20-07-2014 10:05AM

dharma200 wrote: »

They shouldn't have moved him until able to do so.

Clumsy. Not brutal. Not Shocking.

dharma200 · 20-07-2014 10:06AM

4Sticks wrote: »

The only shocking aspects of this thread is the title and those who take their cue from that. The very worst thing thing cops are guilty of ( I am not a particular fan of them generally btw ) is momentary clumsiness lasting about 2 seconds. There was not a shred of brutality. The rest of the clip sees them diligently trying to help the man whilst the crowd heckles. The crowd were shocking - not the cops.

Im not sure if you are counting very very slowly but his head is visibly dragging along the ground for at least five seconds (in shot)
I am also not sure if you are watching the same video lol one guard help the man diligently.
the rest are standing around, looking hungry

4Sticks · 20-07-2014 10:07AM

dharma200 wrote: »

the rest are standing around, looking hungry

holding the mob back

dharma200 · 20-07-2014 10:09AM

nope, definately not watching the same video mate

20Cent · 20-07-2014 10:11AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So there's no way she has a much better view of what's going on than you and he wasn't having a seizure till after they put him down?

Surely if you can be so certain about some aspects you can fill us in on the exact details of the rest.

Neither of us know for sure I'm just going on what I can see. The time I saw someone having a seizure the body movements were similar all the muscles in the body tighten up and there is some flailing.

The default when someone drops to the ground should be to check if they are alright and not fallen ill. Instead they are grabbing him and drag him face down across the ground. Bad training imo.

4Sticks · 20-07-2014 10:13AM

20Cent wrote: »

Bad training imo.

Agreed. Must do better. But not brutality and not shocking.
Palestinians would have a different metric for those terms.

UCDVet · 20-07-2014 10:13AM

I'm not implying this guy was faking - but wow - apparently this is a thing. There are pages and pages on YouTube dedicated to it.

mickydoomsux · 20-07-2014 10:15AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So why does the woman say "hes going to have a fit in a minite" much later?

Well, someone had to prompt him......

4Sticks · 20-07-2014 10:16AM

UCDVet wrote: »

I'm not implying this guy was faking - but wow - apparently this is a thing. There are pages and pages on YouTube dedicated to it.

What do you mean - seriously - people do that ?

caustic 1 · 20-07-2014 10:17AM

Don't you know there is, more than likely be a court case, yer man will be scared for life with the brutality he received, not able to sleep, flashbacks etc., he will get millions and insurance will go up another few per cent to compensate.

The Aussie · 20-07-2014 10:18AM

20Cent wrote: »

16 seconds in he drops and immediately start spasming. Pretty clear really.

Your just seeing what you want to see, or just plain making things up, pretty embarrassing at this stage to be honest...

dharma200 · 20-07-2014 10:18AM

I don't think so , he was administered the anti seizure drug on the video... whatever about people faking actually medicating for faking is hardly likely....
also saying well it is much worse in actual unstable war zones around the worlds a logical fallacy. Just because someone does it worse elsewhere doesn't mean standards should aim for that.

gctest50 · 20-07-2014 10:19AM

4Sticks wrote: »

What do you mean - seriously - people do that ?

yip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Ko3Gnwc3I

dharma200 · 20-07-2014 10:19AM

caustic 1 wrote: »

Don't you know there is, more than likely be a court case, yer man will be scared for life with the brutality he received, not able to sleep, flashbacks etc., he will get millions and insurance will go up another few per cent to compensate.

If the guards had lifted him as per their professional training etc then this type of thing could be avoided. If they had not lifted him in the manner then none of it would have happened.

neckedit · 20-07-2014 10:19AM

My 2 cents worth, this video show a total lack of respect for people from both sides, The Gaurds didn't manage the situation very well at all, but the protestor showed no respect by not moving off a public road, had he done this the incorrect action would never have happened, in a lot of cases these protest end up like this and sometimes the protestors do nothing to avoid it, almost trying to get a reaction from the Gaurds. But as bad as them all I feel letting your camera roll as a person lies taking a fit on the ground, with possibly fatal consequences is pretty shocking, The continued shouting and yelling during the time of his episode is sickening, a couple of people had this guys interest at heart, the rest just wanted drama. I know how this reads, and I am no way condoning the action of the Gaurds I hope they are taking to task for the way they man handled this guy and I also hope the people there have alook at how the organise a protest in the future.

4Sticks · 20-07-2014 10:20AM

caustic 1 wrote: »

Don't you know there is, more than likely be a court case, yer man will be scared for life with the brutality he received, not able to sleep, flashbacks etc., he will get millions and insurance will go up another few per cent to compensate.

Now that would be shocking

dharma200 · 20-07-2014 10:21AM

neckedit wrote: »

My 2 cents worth, this video show a total lack of respect for people from both sides, The Gaurds didn't manage the situation very well at all, but the protestor showed no respect by not moving off a public road, had he done this the incorrect action would never have happened, in a lot of cases these protest end up like this and sometimes the protestors do nothing to avoid it, almost trying to get a reaction from the Gaurds. But as bad as them all I feel letting your camera roll as a person lies taking a fit on the ground, with possibly fatal consequences is pretty shocking, The continued shouting and yelling during the time of his episode is sickening, a couple of people had this guys interest at heart, the rest just wanted drama. I know how this reads, and I am no way condoning the action of the Gaurds I hope they are taking to task for the way they man handled this guy and I also hope the people there have alook at how the organise a protest in the future.

best two cents on this thread that i wish i hadn't started!

4Sticks · 20-07-2014 10:22AM

dharma200 wrote: »

If the guards had lifted him as per their professional training etc then this type of thing could be avoided. If they had not lifted him in the manner then none of it would have happened.

If a man prone fitting did not lay down on a city street ...

20Cent · 20-07-2014 10:22AM

The Aussie wrote: »

Your just seeing what you want to see, or just plain making things up, pretty embarrassing at this stage to be honest...

Ever seen someone having a seizure?
looks a lot like that vid from 16 seconds onwards.
No need for the trolling .

Shocking video of guards in Dublin today

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