Overseeding

Muckit · 06-09-2013 05:26PM

Sami23 wrote: »

If soil pH is on the high side (7) would ye still use lime when reseeding ?

If you were ploughing you wouldn't have to I'd say, but min till (disc/powerharrow) you'd definitely have to to give seedlings the best chance

agriman27 · 17-09-2013 11:55AM

How did the min-till reseeding go lads, any good results!

razor8 · 18-07-2014 12:57PM

I have 9 acres burned off with Gallup 360 to do an overseed job on dry land but with very shallow soil probably only one or 2 inches, was hoping contractor would power harrow to remove some ridges but he's afraid of damaging it on stones which is fair enough
I suggested land leveller but he says I will end up with a load of sods
He has a one pass system and said there is still to much grass on it and afraid it won't cut properly

Any advice on what to do? Any other machine that would remove ridges in shallow land with stones underneath? Should I wait another week for grass to burn off more? Was sprayed a week ago

trixi2011 · 18-07-2014 01:42PM

razor8 wrote: »

I have 9 acres burned off with Gallup 360 to do an overseed job on dry land but with very shallow soil probably only one or 2 inches, was hoping contractor would power harrow to remove some ridges but he's afraid of damaging it on stones which is fair enough
I suggested land leveller but he says I will end up with a load of sods
He has a one pass system and said there is still to much grass on it and afraid it won't cut properly

Any advice on what to do? Any other machine that would remove ridges in shallow land with stones underneath? Should I wait another week for grass to burn off more? Was sprayed a week ago

Could you graze off the remaining grass with some sort of live stock sould be well safe to graze now

dharn · 18-07-2014 02:40PM

Spike harrow or chain harrow may do a bit on it

razor8 · 18-07-2014 03:15PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Could you graze off the remaining grass with some sort of live stock sould be well safe to graze now

Ya was thinking that but they seem to keep away from the rougher parts and wouldn't eat it down bare enough.

razor8 · 18-07-2014 03:17PM

dharn wrote: »

Spike harrow or chain harrow may do a bit on it

He reckons chain harrow would be clogged with sods after going no journey, haven't seen a spike harrow must look it up

agriman27 · 18-07-2014 04:10PM

Maybe you could skin it with a mower very low, might only be suitable if its silage ground. I'd say the longer its left it would be dying more and reducing down.

razor8 · 18-07-2014 04:33PM

agriman27 wrote: »

Maybe you could skin it with a mower very low, might only be suitable if its silage ground. I'd say the longer its left it would be dying more and reducing down.

have that done already, but it rained for a few days after and didnt get the spray on, think il just wait and see how it burns off next week

severeoversteer · 18-07-2014 06:34PM

razor8 wrote: »

I have 9 acres burned off with Gallup 360 to do an overseed job on dry land but with very shallow soil probably only one or 2 inches, was hoping contractor would power harrow to remove some ridges but he's afraid of damaging it on stones which is fair enough
I suggested land leveller but he says I will end up with a load of sods
He has a one pass system and said there is still to much grass on it and afraid it won't cut properly

Any advice on what to do? Any other machine that would remove ridges in shallow land with stones underneath? Should I wait another week for grass to burn off more? Was sprayed a week ago

disc harrow,

I reseeded an outfarm this week that had very little soil and I used a heavy disc first for 5 runs, and then 3 runs of a mounted disc harrow and then power harrow with seeder

I had a digger to go around and dig out any high stones and to level any ground

you cannot beat a digger for some jobs

you need a good driver though

razor8 · 18-07-2014 07:09PM

severeoversteer wrote: »

disc harrow,

I reseeded an outfarm this week that had very little soil and I used a heavy disc first for 5 runs, and then 3 runs of a mounted disc harrow and then power harrow with seeder

I had a digger to go around and dig out any high stones and to level any ground

you cannot beat a digger for some jobs

you need a good driver though

Disc harrow would be a good option alrite, have to find someone with one

Few pics

razor8 · 18-07-2014 07:29PM

here they are

dharn · 18-07-2014 08:34PM

I have never seen soil like that before, a lot of thatch and rubbish over ground, unbelievable amount of stones in the soil itself, is it sticky underneath or reasonably freedraining

agriman27 · 18-07-2014 08:48PM

Would you come across many big stones, the size of the ones in the photos would be pushed down with a roller and wouldn't really damage a mower. There is a fair bit of grass on it, i think i would chance ploughing shallow. Your soil doesn't look too bad to me

razor8 · 18-07-2014 09:09PM

its not dharn, its very dry and would say free draining, only a skin of top soil though and as you say full of thatch, the bit of shown is the worst of it

heres the better bit

Farmer Pudsey · 18-07-2014 09:19PM

Disc harrow is you job, it will not matter which type if no rocks and he can get up speed. If not you will need the harrow with independent discs as they kick up if they hit a stone. If you can leave it for 4 weeks it will break down itself but you will need to spray regrowths that will come 0.5-1L/acre will be enough if you do that. If you get a disc harrow get him to offset the second and third runs.10'-15' along a 300M run

This is the boy you want a Lemiken Rubin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkv-BvJWHfI&list=PL2E1D1483AE70ABBB&index=2

razor8 · 18-07-2014 09:48PM

thats a daddy of a machine!!

jt65 · 19-07-2014 10:33AM

I'd be inclined to shallow plough if possible

my experience of disc and power harrow on similar soil wasn't too good , only that i had sheep for the first couple of grazings would have had to re done

problem with most contractors is that they come from tillage country and plough too deeply

razor8 · 19-07-2014 11:39AM

He says he needs to go 6 inches to get sod turned over, I've only got 2

We're not in tillage country here on Leitrim/Cavan border

Greengrass1 · 19-07-2014 11:42AM

Anyone with an einbock near you with a seeder. They do a good job

Farmer Pudsey · 19-07-2014 12:09PM

razor8 wrote: »

have that done already, but it rained for a few days after and didnt get the spray on, think il just wait and see how it burns off next week

is it not sprayed yet.

agriman27 · 19-07-2014 03:17PM

razor8 wrote: »

He says he needs to go 6 inches to get sod turned over, I've only got 2

We're not in tillage country here on Leitrim/Cavan border

I'm in Cavan too. There is a contractor from Ballyhaise area he has a disc similar to the one in the video someone posted above, he has an air grass seed sower on the disc as well. I heard he gives it two runs and he sows the seed on the second run he pulls it with a valtra t202.

Markcheese · 19-07-2014 03:27PM

razor8 wrote: »

He says he needs to go 6 inches to get sod turned over, I've only got 2

We're not in tillage country here on Leitrim/Cavan border

Do many contractors ever shallow plow any more ? I worked for a farmer who used to plow 4-6 inches deep with a 14 (i think) inch plow ... Took a lot longer and needed more care, but needed f-all diesel or horse power ... Good land though even if some was close to the rock...

agriman27 · 19-07-2014 07:48PM

Markcheese wrote: »

Do many contractors ever shallow plow any more ? I worked for a farmer who used to plow 4-6 inches deep with a 14 (i think) inch plow ... Took a lot longer and needed more care, but needed f-all diesel or horse power ... Good land though even if some was close to the rock...

A lot of the lads that do ploughing around me plough too deep and they wouldn't give a young lad like me any heed, they just think the way they plough is right and thats it, you have to be careful because going too deep around my area is a mess as it turns up crap subsoil which is never the same again

razor8 · 19-07-2014 08:05PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

is it not sprayed yet.

It's sprayed alrite but It was 4 days after I took sheep out of it which resulted in a bit of regrowth

It very red now, would sheep eat it at this stage?

freedominacup · 20-07-2014 05:56AM

razor8 wrote: »

It's sprayed alrite but It was 4 days after I took sheep out of it which resulted in a bit of regrowth

It very red now, would sheep eat it at this stage?

Get the sheep in on it for a few days if you can. If it's as you described a bare 2" of topsoil the only machine you should get in is a direct drill of some kind. The field appears level from the photo ie no ruts/poaching so will be ideal for a dd. Assuming you have no soil test apply 2 tonne of ground limestone and 2 bags of 10-10-20 per acre and job done. DD costs around €50/acre in this area. Very good job. Anything else will have you putting a lot of labour into the job picking stones. I don't see myself ploughing/discing for re-seeding again unless field has been cut up/poached badly.

Brown Podzol · 20-07-2014 09:32AM

Markcheese wrote: »

Do many contractors ever shallow plow any more ? I worked for a farmer who used to plow 4-6 inches deep with a 14 (i think) inch plow ... Took a lot longer and needed more care, but needed f-all diesel or horse power ... Good land though even if some was close to the rock...

The modern tractors have very wide tyres which sit in the furrow, in order to plough wide enough to allow the tyre fit in the furrow you have to plough deep or the sod won't turn properly. May be ok if you are ploughing again next year, say after a catch crop, as you will turn up the fertile soil again, but a bad job if you have very shallow soil or you are reseeding as in my opinion you are burying gold in the form of p+k .

Greengrass1 · 20-07-2014 09:47AM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

The modern tractors have very wide tyres which sit in the furrow, in order to plough wide enough to allow the tyre fit in the furrow you have to plough deep or the sod won't turn properly. May be ok if you are ploughing again next year, say after a catch crop, as you will turn up the fertile soil again, but a bad job if you have very shallow soil or you are reseeding as in my opinion you are burying gold in the form of p+k .

Agree with that. I have to plough next reseed. Field isn't level and is full of bent grass

agriman27 · 19-08-2014 06:51PM

razor8 wrote: »

I have 9 acres burned off with Gallup 360 to do an overseed job on dry land but with very shallow soil probably only one or 2 inches, was hoping contractor would power harrow to remove some ridges but he's afraid of damaging it on stones which is fair enough
I suggested land leveller but he says I will end up with a load of sods
He has a one pass system and said there is still to much grass on it and afraid it won't cut properly

Any advice on what to do? Any other machine that would remove ridges in shallow land with stones underneath? Should I wait another week for grass to burn off more? Was sprayed a week ago

How did you get on with your reseed razor, good weather for new seedlings!

razor8 · 19-08-2014 09:32PM

It's coming but shocking slow, it il be 6 or 7 weeks old before I get a grazing off it, needs more heat, I've stopped going down to look at it and it never seemed to be gaining much

Il put a pic up next day I'm down at it

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