Donegal priest claims yoga is "putting souls in jeopardy"

flutered · 15-07-2014 6:49pm

i was reading elsewhere today, that one of the positions in yoga enhances the bloodflow to the pelvic area, this in turn may help some people to achive a sexual urge, methinks that is is what the stoneage reverend finds repulsive,

smacl · 16-07-2014 7:40am

flutered wrote: »

i was reading elsewhere today, that one of the positions in yoga enhances the bloodflow to the pelvic area, this in turn may help some people to achive a sexual urge, methinks that is is what the stoneage reverend finds repulsive,

Check out tantric yoga so. All about the nookie, Catholic priests need not apply

Sex aside, well taught yoga is great for core strength and used as a complimentary exercise by many athletes, though some instructors and schools are a bit heavy on the woo.

smacl · 16-07-2014 7:42am

Nodin wrote: »

"For a lot of people in the US, “yoga” is a series of pretzel-like physical exertions done to get fit, usually with some token Sanskrit thrown in here and there to keep things exotic and spicy. It’s an industry worth billions of dollars every year, between swanky supplies like see-through yoga pants (oops!), workout gear, and, of course, exclusive yoga retreats.

So not unlike Christianity in the US then?

Nodin · 16-07-2014 1:50pm

smacl wrote: »

So not unlike Christianity in the US then?

If it can be done, America would be the place to do it.

lazybones32 · 16-07-2014 2:29pm

Nodin wrote: »

....it can't be a spiritual practice for them if they haven't a poxy clue about the spiritual end of it.

But it still is a religious/spiritual practice whether people view it as such or not. It was created for spiritual purposes, not to get a toned ass.

smacl · 16-07-2014 3:44pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

But it still is a religious/spiritual practice whether people view it as such or not. It was created for spiritual purposes, not to get a toned ass.

Rubbish, if people are practising yoga exercises to improve core strength, breathing, or get a toned ass, the origins of those exercises are neither here nor there. If they're sitting around in leotards, holding hands, and muttering about chakras, that's something different.

It is also worth remembering that Catholicism assimilates other religious practises on a wholesale basis rather than let the flock stray. Which part of bible is it again that talks about chocolate eggs and rabbits at Easter, or dressing up as the undead at halloween? Has yer man in Donegal not got the memo from the Pope yet that the church are trying to hang on to the last few faithful? Father Jack would do a better job.

lazybones32 · 16-07-2014 6:20pm

smacl wrote: »

Rubbish, if people are practising yoga exercises to improve core strength, breathing, or get a toned ass, the origins of those exercises are neither here nor there. If they're sitting around in leotards, holding hands, and muttering about chakras, that's something different.

It is also worth remembering that Catholicism assimilates other religious practises on a wholesale basis rather than let the flock stray. Which part of bible is it again that talks about chocolate eggs and rabbits at Easter, or dressing up as the undead at halloween? Has yer man in Donegal not got the memo from the Pope yet that the church are trying to hang on to the last few faithful? Father Jack would do a better job.

Like it or not, yoga is "a Hindu spiritual and ascetic discipline, a part of which, including breath control, simple meditation, and the adoption of specific bodily postures, is widely practiced for health and relaxation."https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+yoga&oq=what+is+yoga&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=ssl (Even as I do a little research with Google, the vast majority of sites related to yoga are for more than just the physical aspect of it)
If you are not a practising Catholic, what does this matter to you?

Are the Easter eggs and costumes promoted by the CC as being an essentail part of the holiday? No, they're not.

swampgas · 16-07-2014 6:28pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

But it still is a religious/spiritual practice whether people view it as such or not. It was created for spiritual purposes, not to get a toned ass.

Surely for something to something to be a religious or spiritual activity, the person doing that activity has to intend for it to be religious/spiritual?

I get what you're saying, Yoga was originally part of a spiritual activity, but that doesn't mean the activity itself cannot be carried out in a non-spiritual way.

After all, when I'm kneeling on the ground digging my potatoes out of the ground I'm not praying.

shruikan2553 · 16-07-2014 6:29pm

Yoga is a lot like Christmas, firstly used for religious reasons but then over time they were dropped.

smacl · 17-07-2014 6:31am

lazybones32 wrote: »

Like it or not, yoga is "a Hindu spiritual and ascetic discipline, a part of which, including breath control, simple meditation, and the adoption of specific bodily postures, is widely practiced for health and relaxation."https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+yoga&oq=what+is+yoga&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=ssl (Even as I do a little research with Google, the vast majority of sites related to yoga are for more than just the physical aspect of it)

If you look at any main stream dictionaries you'll notice that they include more than one definition for yoga, e.g. from Merriam-Webster

Merriam-Webster wrote:

Full Definition of YOGA

1 capitalized : a Hindu theistic philosophy teaching the suppression of all activity of body, mind, and will in order that the self may realize its distinction from them and attain liberation

2 : a system of exercises for attaining bodily or mental control and well-being

The reason for two definitions is due to the fact that most yoga classes in the west make no references nor involve any Hindu theology whatsoever. Nor are most yoga instructors practising Hindus or even versed in Hindu theology. I would humbly suggest that you would get more exposure to Hinduism in your local Indian restaurant than in your typical Irish yoga class.

If you are not a practising Catholic, what does this matter to you?

Because I'm a pedantic atheist who doesn't like seeing the religious types mis-labelling things to suit their own dogmatic agenda. In an Ireland that is getting fatter and unhealthier year on year, I also think that any form of healthy physical exercise should be actively encouraged.

Are the Easter eggs and costumes promoted by the CC as being an essentail part of the holiday? No, they're not.

No, but like most CC priests, our collared friend in Donegal knows better than to take a dig at the many pagan practises that so conveniently fall on religious holidays because he knows damn well his parishioners would tell him to feck off.

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 9:10am

swampgas wrote: »

Surely for something to something to be a religious or spiritual activity, the person doing that activity has to intend for it to be religious/spiritual?

I get what you're saying, Yoga was originally part of a spiritual activity, but that doesn't mean the activity itself cannot be carried out in a non-spiritual way.

After all, when I'm kneeling on the ground digging my potatoes out of the ground I'm not praying.

Being unaware or ignorant of the true purpose and potential doesn't always mean you are immune from the effect. People go to Mass and think it is nothing more than a chore but that doesn't diminish the spiritual aspect of it. People have messed around with Ouija boards, thinking it was just a bit of craic and come away with more than they bargained for.
Some martial arts are essentially a form of meditation too and I often wondered why the Church didn't denounce these but Yoga is specifically and systematically designed to open your own spirit to the influence of these 'guiding' spirits or whatever they are. I haven't attended a Yoga class, so I don't know if they open with the 'namaste' greeting/prayer and if the classes have a ritualised formula and process in line with the spiritual practice of Yoga.
Again, this caveat is for Christians.

smacl · 17-07-2014 10:08am

lazybones32 wrote: »

Again, this caveat is for Christians.

Of the ~90% of the population that self declare as Christian in the national census, I imagine very few would meet your criteria on the requirements of being a Christian.

As for martial arts with a meditative aspect, the one that springs to mind is tai chi chuan, which has been shown through many studies to be of particular benefit to the elderly. As such it is currently being recommended by many doctors as a low impact exercise that improves balance, takes all the joints through their normal range of motion, and hence reduces risk of breaks and effects of certain forms of arthritis. Suggesting for example that old people shouldn't practice tai chi because it puts their souls at risk is about as clever as refusing essential medication on religious grounds.

Interesting to note that the worlds fastest growing Christian population is China, where many people are concurrently Christian and Buddhist while also practising tai chi which has a Taoist background.

While it's all claptrap from where I'm sitting, the Donegal priest's variety seems to be a particularly retrograde dogma bordering on fundamentalism.

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 10:32am

smacl wrote: »

If you look at any main stream dictionaries you'll notice that they include more than one definition for yoga, e.g. from Merriam-Webster

The reason for two definitions is due to the fact that most yoga classes in the west make no references nor involve any Hindu theology whatsoever. Nor are most yoga instructors practising Hindus or even versed in Hindu theology. I would humbly suggest that you would get more exposure to Hinduism in your local Indian restaurant than in your typical Irish yoga class.

Because I'm a pedantic atheist who doesn't like seeing the religious types mis-labelling things to suit their own dogmatic agenda. In an Ireland that is getting fatter and unhealthier year on year, I also think that any form of healthy physical exercise should be actively encouraged.

No, but like most CC priests, our collared friend in Donegal knows better than to take a dig at the many pagan practises that so conveniently fall on religious holidays because he knows damn well his parishioners would tell him to feck off.

The number 2 definition takes precedence over the number 1 definition? Have you attended "most Yoga classes in the West"? If not, how can such a pedant as yourself make such a claim? (MW also defines pedantic as being dull and unimaginative)
Again, Christian days of celebration were moved to the times of the major pagan festivals. There was nothing convenient in it.
Re: Tai Chi. You do know that Tai Chi is credited with being the 'creation' of a Jap who either was a Franciscan monk, or studied at a Franciscan College in Chicago (where he received his doctorate). This man went on a retreat atop a Mountain, in order to 'find' the power that enabled Jesus to perform miracles and encountered spirits who gave him the basis for tai chi. His biographer - an old Jap woman - wrote this in one of her books.

smacl · 17-07-2014 11:02am

lazybones32 wrote: »

The number 2 definition takes precedence over the number 1 definition?

If a word is given multiple meanings in a dictionary, it is because all meanings are equally valid unless the text says differently.

Have you attended "most Yoga classes in the West"?

Attended a few, hatha yoga regularly for a few years when I was younger to help me get over asthma, which worked quite well. More into taiji / qigong and Chinese martial arts in later life, though still have a number of friends who teach and practise various forms of yoga and nip along occasionally.

Re: Tai Chi. You do know that Tai Chi is credited with being the 'creation' of a Jap who either was a Franciscan monk, or studied at a Franciscan College in Chicago (where he received his doctorate). This man went on a retreat atop a Mountain, in order to 'find' the power that enabled Jesus to perform miracles and encountered spirits who gave him the basis for tai chi. His biographer - an old Jap woman - wrote this in one of her books.

There you go. In my 20+ years training tai chi chuan, meeting many leading practitioners while participating in international events, and owning and having read a veritable library on traditional Chinese martial arts, I have never heard that some 'old Jap woman' reckoned that some 'Jap' monk invented it. Who'd've thunk it. :rolleyes:

You may also want to avoid visiting certain parts of the Orient if you're going to refer to the Japanese as 'Japs'.

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 11:27am

My apologies: I crossed Reiki with Tai Chi.

The Chinese dislike the Japs, so I'm sure many of them would have no issue with me calling them such. Is Yank as derogatory to Americans?

smacl · 17-07-2014 11:47am

lazybones32 wrote: »

My apologies: I crossed Reiki with Tai Chi.

No worries, reiki is up there with homoeopathy in my book in terms of woo factor and proven benefits, e.g. alternate forms of faith healing.

The Chinese dislike the Japs, so I'm sure many of them would have no issue with me calling them such. Is Yank as derogatory to Americans?

I tend to avoid racial stereotyping either way, though I think most Americans are pretty blasé when it comes to being referred to as yanks.

swampgas · 17-07-2014 12:50pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

Being unaware or ignorant of the true purpose and potential doesn't always mean you are immune from the effect. People go to Mass and think it is nothing more than a chore but that doesn't diminish the spiritual aspect of it.

I don't believe that anything supernatural exists at all (except in people's imaginations) so as far as I'm concerned there is no risk of contamination with alien woo. But surely Christians should be convinced that the spiritual nature of Yoga is irrelevant - after all, there is only one God, their own God, and all that Yoga spirituality must be a load of superstition?

I'm amused that a Catholic priest is actually giving credence to the idea that there exist alternative spiritual forces in the world, after all, surely God must have created them too?

People have messed around with Ouija boards, thinking it was just a bit of craic and come away with more than they bargained for.

Really? I've used ouija boards and it was always obvious that somebody was pushing the glass around in order to get a few scares out of people. You know it was originally a parlor game? Do you actually believe in demonic possession then?

Some martial arts are essentially a form of meditation too and I often wondered why the Church didn't denounce these but Yoga is specifically and systematically designed to open your own spirit to the influence of these 'guiding' spirits or whatever they are. I haven't attended a Yoga class, so I don't know if they open with the 'namaste' greeting/prayer and if the classes have a ritualised formula and process in line with the spiritual practice of Yoga. Again, this caveat is for Christians.

The church has lost most of its power to tell people what to think. And most people (Irish cultural catholics anyway) hardly believe in God, or Satan, so they're probably not too bothered by a bit of Eastern woo either.

Brian Shanahan · 17-07-2014 2:56pm

smacl wrote: »

I tend to avoid racial stereotyping either way, though I think most Americans are pretty blasé when it comes to being referred to as yanks.

It depends, for example, you should never call a southern, ahem, gentleman of certain pallour a yank. The term yankee was for a long time a derogatory term used by southern Americans (as in the southern of the original 13 states) to describe New Englanders.

Cabaal · 17-07-2014 3:06pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

People have messed around with Ouija boards, thinking it was just a bit of craic and come away with more than they bargained for.

They've gotten wood splinters? That's pretty scary!

Obliq · 17-07-2014 6:10pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

People have messed around with Ouija boards, thinking it was just a bit of craic and come away with more than they bargained for.

Wha..hahaa...t? What did they come away with then?! *

*Bearing in mind most people here are ATHEISTS....or did you think our lack of belief in any supernatural power only applies to christianity?

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 6:45pm

swampgas wrote: »

I don't believe that anything supernatural exists at all (except in people's imaginations) so as far as I'm concerned there is no risk of contamination with alien woo. But surely Christians should be convinced that the spiritual nature of Yoga is irrelevant - after all, there is only one God, their own God, and all that Yoga spirituality must be a load of superstition?

I'm amused that a Catholic priest is actually giving credence to the idea that there exist alternative spiritual forces in the world, after all, surely God must have created them too?

Really? I've used ouija boards and it was always obvious that somebody was pushing the glass around in order to get a few scares out of people. You know it was originally a parlor game? Do you actually believe in demonic possession then?

The church has lost most of its power to tell people what to think. And most people (Irish cultural catholics anyway) hardly believe in God, or Satan, so they're probably not too bothered by a bit of Eastern woo either.

I'm aware that you, and other posters in A.A., don't believe in the Spiritual (and yet you guys seem preoccupied with religions and religious people?) but does somethings existence depend on your belief?

Christianity (and Judaism) are explicit that there are many spiritual 'forces' but not all of them are benign.

Yes, I believe in demonic possession.

Obliq · 17-07-2014 6:49pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

I'm aware that you, and other posters in A.A., don't believe in the Spiritual (and yet you guys seem preoccupied with religions and religious people?) but does somethings existence depend on your belief?

Oh dear. No, not in my case. My belief depends on something's existence.

How about the answer to my question there above? What did people get that was more than they bargained for when playing with a ouija board?

Oh...wait. Missed the bit where you believe in demonic possession. Never mind my question so.

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 6:52pm

Obliq wrote: »

Wha..hahaa...t? What did they come away with then?! *

*Bearing in mind most people here are ATHEISTS....or did you think our lack of belief in any supernatural power only applies to christianity?

Their experiences are freely available for you to read, listen to, download etc.

I know people here are mostly atheist/agnostic but I gave information to the OP on why the priest denounced Reiki, Tai Chi and Yoga.

swampgas · 17-07-2014 6:53pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

I'm aware that you, and other posters in A.A., don't believe in the Spiritual (and yet you guys seem preoccupied with religions and religious people?) ...

I'm fascinated that people have religious beliefs in our modern era. I'm frustrated that so much of our society is still influenced by hokey 2000 year religions, for example education and medicine is (IMO) unduly influenced by a religion run out of another country.

... but does somethings existence depend on your belief?

On the other hand, believing in something doesn't make it real either. Where there is evidence, I will believe.

Christianity (and Judaism) are explicit that there are many spiritual 'forces' but not all of them are benign.

Yes, I believe in demonic possession.

Demonic possession looks an awful lot like mental illness to modern eyes. Demons and angels ... it's pre-enlightenment stuff.

Obliq · 17-07-2014 6:55pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

Their experiences are freely available for you to read, listen to, download etc.

Paper never refused ink, as they say. Do you believe everything people tell you just because they swear it's true?

I know people here are mostly atheist/agnostic but I gave information to the OP on why the priest denounced Reiki, Tai Chi and Yoga.

And we're completely free to think it's hilariously wrong-footed and contradictory to that whole "one true god" angle they're always banging on about. Fierce funny actually :cool:

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 7:01pm

swampgas wrote: »

I'm fascinated that people have religious beliefs in our modern era. I'm frustrated that so much of our society is still influenced by hokey 2000 year religions, for example education and medicine is (IMO) unduly influenced by a religion run out of another country.

On the other hand, believing in something doesn't make it real either. Where there is evidence, I will believe.

Demonic possession looks an awful lot like mental illness to modern eyes. Demons and angels ... it's pre-enlightenment stuff.

The vast majority of people who think they're possessed are actually suffering from a mental illness. There is the 1 in 100 who has a genuine possession and not all are unwelcome possessions (the person has sought to be possessed).

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 7:03pm

Obliq wrote: »

Paper never refused ink, as they say. Do you believe everything people tell you just because they swear it's true?

And we're completely free to think it's hilariously wrong-footed and contradictory to that whole "one true god" angle they're always banging on about. Fierce funny actually :cool:

As the Yellow Pages jingle went "Let your fingers do the walking".

No, of course I don't blindly accept everything someone tells me. Stop being ridiculous.

swampgas · 17-07-2014 7:04pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

The vast majority of people who think they're possessed are actually suffering from a mental illness. There is the 1 in 100 who has a genuine possession and not all are unwelcome possessions (the person has sought to be possessed).

I'd be more inclined to think that 100 in 100 are mentally ill. I'd imagine that demonic possession is in the eye of the beholder, and not scientifically demonstrable.

Obliq · 17-07-2014 7:05pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

The vast majority of people who think they're possessed are actually suffering from a mental illness. There is the 1 in 100 who has a genuine possession and not all are unwelcome possessions (the person has sought to be possessed).

Can I ask you to provide medical evidence (peer reviewed preferably) for this "genuine possession"? Also the statistical analysis for the 1 in 100 that are "proven" to be genuine? Otherwise.....how are we meant to believe you?!

Obliq · 17-07-2014 7:06pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

No, of course I don't blindly accept everything someone tells me. Stop being ridiculous.

Gosh.

That's....nice.

gctest50 · 17-07-2014 7:13pm

Donegal priest claims yoga is "beginning to putting the churchs income in jeopardy"

would be a bit closer to the truth

if going to yoga somehow made you donate as much as possible to the church, it'd be their new best friend

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 7:30pm

swampgas wrote: »

I'd be more inclined to think that 100 in 100 are mentally ill. I'd imagine that demonic possession is in the eye of the beholder, and not scientifically demonstrable.

I'm not exactly concerned with what the posters here think about this and other religious subjects. I'm not writing that to offend or inflame anyone but I know atheists don't believe it and I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise. I was asked a question and I answered.
Psychiatry is always used first when dealing with a legitimate Exorcist. He/she will refer the person to medical Institutions for examination. The Doctors may conclude that they cannot find, treat or cure the cause of what malady is manifesting itself. Exorcists have written many books detailing their Ministry, if you want to learn more I suggest you read one.

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 7:35pm

Obliq wrote: »

Can I ask you to provide medical evidence (peer reviewed preferably) for this "genuine possession"? Also the statistical analysis for the 1 in 100 that are "proven" to be genuine? Otherwise.....how are we meant to believe you?!

I am not a medical Doctor and do not have access to people's medical records. Even if I did have such access, I don't think I would be allowed to share that information with non-professionals who have no connection. Is it against board Rules to ask you if you are a medical practitioner or someone who even knows how to interpret data correctly?

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 7:37pm

Obliq wrote: »

Gosh. That's....nice.

You asked. I answered. Does that really confuse you? Weren't you the one seeking statistical data for analysis...

Obliq · 17-07-2014 7:40pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

I'm not exactly concerned with what the posters here think about this and other religious subjects.

That's what I am finding interesting about your posts, tbh. You're clearly a believer in the supernatural - so much so that you seem to subscribe to what this priest has said about yoga putting souls in jeopardy. Ditto with the ouija board conjuring up spirits and people becoming possessed by demons.

So why are you here making claims that you don't back up, if you're so unconcerned about what posters here think about this?

Obliq · 17-07-2014 7:42pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

You asked. I answered. Does that really confuse you? Weren't you the one seeking statistical data for analysis...

Yes, yes I was that one. Have you got any (edit: To show that 1 in 100 "possessions" are genuine)?

lazybones32 wrote: »

Stop being ridiculous.

My confusion relates to why you were rude in your reply.

Obliq · 17-07-2014 7:48pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

I am not a medical Doctor and do not have access to people's medical records. Even if I did have such access, I don't think I would be allowed to share that information with non-professionals who have no connection. Is it against board Rules to ask you if you are a medical practitioner or someone who even knows how to interpret data correctly?

Surely there must be some proof for your claims? Anything at all? No?

I shall ask again:

Obliq wrote: »

how are we meant to believe you?!

lazybones32 · 17-07-2014 7:52pm

I held this belief before the article was posted.

I am answering questions; not trying to convert or befriend the users here. I answered the OP and am answering those who put questions to me.
You accuse me of being rude? I apologise for offending your sensitivity. I considered it ridiculous and immature to be accused of being so gullible that I believe everything I'm told. No need to apologise for your rudeness.

I'm sure there is proof but you haven't answered if you are qualified to interpret and analyse it.

Obliq · 17-07-2014 8:23pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

I held this belief before the article was posted.
..............................

..............I'm sure there is proof but you haven't answered if you are qualified to interpret and analyse it.

You: Their experiences are freely available for you to read, listen to, download etc.
Me: Do you believe everything people tell you because they swear it's true?

I do apologise if I was at all rude here, but I genuinely can't understand how you come to believe this stuff without proof. In what I've quoted of your last post, it seems to me that you are sure there is proof but you haven't got any, and yet you're prepared to believe it. Which is fine, of course, but totally opposite to what I base my understanding of the world on.

As for being qualified to interpret this non-existent proof, no. I wouldn't be. That's why I like peer-reviewed scientific evidence because it means that other people who ARE qualified have examined it and have published their analysis of the findings. That way, the likes of me can get a better idea of whether something is PROVEN. Or not.

Brian Shanahan · 17-07-2014 8:28pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

I'm aware that you, and other posters in A.A., don't believe in the Spiritual (and yet you guys seem preoccupied with religions and religious people?) but does somethings existence depend on your belief?

No. A things existence depends on its existence, nothing else (yes that sounds something stupidly zen like, but existence has nothing to do with belief, but reality). But for a human to consider something to have existence then there must be evidence for the existence of that thing.

Otherwise we could say that all sorts of stupid things exist, like celestial teapots orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter, or invisible pink unicorns or, my personal favourite, the glingleglingleglingle fairy. Actually to illustrate just how stupid the comment you just made is I would suggest you read Terry Pratchett's Hogfather. And then I'd go off and read the rest of his series, and you may then begin to see the road to wisdom (hint: It doesn't include believing in pretend beings).

Brian Shanahan · 17-07-2014 8:52pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

I am not a medical Doctor and do not have access to people's medical records. Even if I did have such access, I don't think I would be allowed to share that information with non-professionals who have no connection. Is it against board Rules to ask you if you are a medical practitioner or someone who even knows how to interpret data correctly?

A) You don't have to be a medical doctor to show us proof of your claim. You just have to have access to said proof (even if it were a peer reviewed article behind a journal paywall we could read the abstract).

You don't need medical records of individuals to show us evidence of your claims if they are in the medical field. Most medical research is published with data from anonymised records from the patients which were subjects of that research, in order that other researchers can verify claims without breaching confidentiality.
C) Most people can interpret data correctly with a small bit of training, I do it the whole bloody time, and I was trained in accountancy.

So stop procrastinating and either put up or shut up.

RiteofPassage · 17-07-2014 8:55pm

Being a priest puts your soul in jeopardy.

Obliq · 17-07-2014 9:00pm

RiteofPassage wrote: »

Being a priest puts your soul in jeopardy.

Soul? :rolleyes: I have trouble understanding that word....

RiteofPassage · 17-07-2014 9:04pm

Obliq wrote: »

Soul? :rolleyes: I have trouble understanding that word....

Does soul really have a meaning, anyone really understand it?

Or is it just some abstract religious word- used in the past to collect money and control people.

My meaning for it is my spiritual being, and I don't really understand that.

Stella Virgo · 17-07-2014 9:16pm

maybe this is what the padre was talking about....... ye may lose yer souls looking at this......:eek:;):D
http://thechive.com/2013/12/10/lets-forget-about-the-yoga-pants-and-focus-on-the-poses-30-photos/

Obliq · 17-07-2014 9:17pm

RiteofPassage wrote: »

Does soul really have a meaning, anyone really understand it?

Or is it just some abstract religious word- used in the past to collect money and control people.

My meaning for it is my spiritual being, and I don't really understand that.

Well, for religious people it seems very important as it's the (unverified, seemingly nonexistent) part of being human that carries on to experience this heaven/hell/reincarnation/whateveryerhavinyerself....

"Spiritual being" would also be my understanding of what they mean by soul, but I don't actually get the difference between life (which invariably dies) and spirit. For me, it's enough to feel that MY personal version of life will end with my death.

I don't see/feel any "spirit" within myself that transcends the physical manifestation of life that is me....certainly nothing that could be affected by an outside malevolent/benign force brought to me by the "power" of yoga, ouija or mass. My own fears or expectations may be impacted, but that's about it I reckon.

RiteofPassage · 17-07-2014 9:25pm

Obliq wrote: »

Well, for religious people it seems very important as it's the (unverified, seemingly nonexistent) part of being human that carries on to experience this heaven/hell/reincarnation/whateveryerhavinyerself....

"Spiritual being" would also be my understanding of what they mean by soul, but I don't actually get the difference between life (which invariably dies) and spirit. For me, it's enough to feel that MY personal version of life will end with my death.

I don't see/feel any "spirit" within myself that transcends the physical manifestation of life that is me....certainly nothing that could be affected by an outside malevolent/benign force brought to me by the "power" of yoga, ouija or mass. My own fears or expectations may be impacted, but that's about it I reckon.

This is a very sane summation.

Obliq · 17-07-2014 9:26pm

Stella Virgo wrote: »

maybe this is what the padre was talking about....... ye may lose yer souls looking at this......:eek:;):D
http://thechive.com/2013/12/10/lets-forget-about-the-yoga-pants-and-focus-on-the-poses-30-photos/

Wrong gender for me, but this is a rather fine pose. I'm not spotting the danger though...;)

https://www.gabbyandlaird.com/sites/default/files/field/image/shutterstock_133640666.jpg

ShooterSF · 17-07-2014 10:34pm

Maybe we need to hit hasbro with a big fine. Toys that injure kids see fines never mind ones that result in demonic possession

Hotblack Desiato · 17-07-2014 11:52pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

I am not a medical Doctor and do not have access to people's medical records. Even if I did have such access, I don't think I would be allowed to share that information with non-professionals who have no connection. Is it against board Rules to ask you if you are a medical practitioner or someone who even knows how to interpret data correctly?

Well then perhaps you should refrain from making nonsense claims you can't back up.

'I have super special evidence I can't share with you' - yeah, heard that before.

Donegal priest claims yoga is "putting souls in jeopardy"

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