Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

end of the road · 12-07-2014 11:53PM

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

Managed to get the auld rape buzzword in there too, good stuff keep going, you are getting better the longer you keep going.

truth hurts doesn't it

steddyeddy · 12-07-2014 11:53PM

The thing that strikes me about the whole conflict is that half the world seems to accept that Israel, a modern country are justifying a lot of their actions by citing a 2000 plus year old book.

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 12:01AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The thing that strikes me about the whole conflict is that half the world seems to accept that Israel, a modern country are justifying a lot of their actions by citing a 2000 plus year old book.

you will find a lot of country's over that direction do a lot or country running by many books that are 2000 years old

this is the problem

Ronan|Raven · 13-07-2014 12:02AM

end of the road wrote: »

truth hurts doesn't it

That is the best you can come up with, seriously? Whilst I may have enjoyed watching you slobber across your keyboard for the best part of today I must get a few points across. I am a strong believer in the rights for a Palestinian state, I believe the settlements and encroaches that continue in the West Bank et al to be wrong. I have major issues with Israeli policy and their carry on over the years however I also have major issues with the bull**** of Hamas and their ideals of what is right.

One can go on about how XYZ happened in the past but as the majority, whether rightly and a lot of the times wrongly realise the possibilities of changing the past are most definitely not easy if not impossible. Look at this small country.

I get pissed off when I see incursions into Palestine and see the death of Civilians, I also get highly pissed off when I see Hamas et al lobbing rockets without a care in the world into Israel and then act surprised when they get a hammering.

In an ideal world diplomacy and a realisation by both sides than A) Israel is not going anywhere anytime soon no matter how much certain parts of the world may like it. And,

the Palestinians need to be given a right to a state with the security of not worrying about an Israeli bulldozer coming over the hills.

I am sorry if this post goes against your impeccable views.

end of the road · 13-07-2014 12:04AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The thing that strikes me about the whole conflict is that half the world seems to accept that Israel, a modern country are justifying a lot of their actions by citing a 2000 plus year old book.

and a king who's existence there is no evidence of, even after the ripping up of the country, the forcing people from their homes and slaughtering they found nothing

Nodin · 13-07-2014 12:06AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The thing that strikes me about the whole conflict is that half the world seems to accept that Israel, a modern country are justifying a lot of their actions by citing a 2000 plus year old book.

A large element of the pro-settler lobby and movement, as well as sections of Likud do. While pointing out that the shower next door are a bunch of religious nuts that justify anything with religion with a straight face.

end of the road · 13-07-2014 12:07AM

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

That is the best you can come up with, seriously? Whilst I may have enjoyed watching you slobber across your keyboard for the best part of today I must get a few points across. I am a strong believer in the rights for a Palestinian state, I believe the settlements and encroaches that continue in the West Bank et al to be wrong. I have major issues with Israeli policy and their carry on over the years however I also have major issues with the bull**** of Hamas and their ideals of what is right.

One can go on about how XYZ happened in the past but as the majority, whether rightly and a lot of the times wrongly realise the possibilities of changing the past are most definitely not easy if not impossible. Look at this small country.

I get pissed off when I see incursions into Palestine and see the death of Civilians, I also get highly pissed off when I see Hamas et al lobbing rockets without a care in the world into Israel and then act surprised when they get a hammering.

In an ideal world diplomacy and a realisation by both sides than A) Israel is not going anywhere anytime soon no matter how much certain parts of the world may like it. And, the Palestinians need to be given a right to a state with the security of not worrying about an Israeli bulldozer coming over the hills.

I am sorry if this post goes against your impeccable views.

Hamas while no angels were democratically elected by the people of gaza

Ronan|Raven · 13-07-2014 12:08AM

end of the road wrote: »

Hamas while no angels were democratically elected by the people of gaza

And?
So what?
The Israeli Government were democratically elected too?

steddyeddy · 13-07-2014 12:09AM

Nodin wrote: »

A large element of the pro-settler lobby and movement, as well as sections of Likud do. While pointing out that the shower next door are a bunch of religious nuts that justify anything with religion with a straight face.

Yes it's crazy. Chosen land, chosen by god and god wants us to live here ect. Complete lunacy. The dangerous thing is people who hold these extreme beliefs think the Palestinians are lesser people.

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 12:15AM

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

And?
So what?
The Israeli Government were democratically elected too?

matters not

its a un fair "fight" on a trapped population , **** how they got to this point or who stared what

i dont condone hammas - but i tell you this much , if i was in their position , i would be doing the same
Israel has the right to defense - no doubts on that one
but when 1 life from their side is worth 100 on the other , then its not justifiable

country's with a backbone should be telling the ambassador for Israel to take a hike , as country's go , they have a neck like a jockeys bollix

its hard to feel sympathy for Israel

Ronan|Raven · 13-07-2014 12:18AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

matters not

its a un fair "fight" on a trapped population , **** how they got to this point or who stared what

i dont condone hammas - but i tell you this much , if i was in their position , i would be doing the same
Israel has the right to defense - no doubts on that one
but when 1 life from their side is worth 100 on the other , then its not justifiable

country's with a backbone should be telling the ambassador for Israel to take a hike , as country's go , they have a neck like a jockeys bollix

its hard to feel sympathy for Israel

So you do condone Hamas.

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 12:19AM

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

So you do condone Hamas.

i think i said i dont

Ronan|Raven · 13-07-2014 12:21AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

i think i said i dont

But if you are saying you would do as they are doing then does that not mean you agree with them?

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 12:26AM

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

But if you are saying you would do as they are doing then does that not mean you agree with them?

you are not understanding what i am saying

i said i dont condone hammas , as i sit in my comfortable house , sipping a beer , life is good.
but, if i was sitting in gaza , with my family , and i am being bombed , i might re evaluate my position.

these people , mostly family's ,have to live there, they are not all terrorists.
i dont know if i could stand by and watch my community being locked down and bombed at will.

i may not agree with them , but i understand why they do what they do

that does not mean i agree with them

woodoo · 13-07-2014 12:27AM

As far as i'm concerned any adult living in an illegal settlements is fair game.

Ronan|Raven · 13-07-2014 12:31AM

woodoo wrote: »

As far as i'm concerned any adult living in an illegal settlements is fair game.

Will you be going over to enforce this?

wazky · 13-07-2014 12:32AM

woodoo wrote: »

As far as i'm concerned any adult living in an illegal settlements is fair game.

Where are all those Israelis supposed to go though?

The Aussie · 13-07-2014 12:33AM

woodoo wrote: »

As far as i'm concerned any adult living in an illegal settlements is fair game.

Thank god you were not in South Africa not that long ago...

Rhys Essien · 13-07-2014 12:36AM

Obama gave a very good speech to Israeli students last year with his own views on the conflict.

Worth a watch.(only 8 mins)

woodoo · 13-07-2014 12:36AM

wazky wrote: »

Where are all those Israelis supposed to go though?

Back to America

woodoo · 13-07-2014 12:48AM

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Obama gave a very good speech to Israeli students last year with his own views on the conflict.

Worth a watch.(only 8 mins)

I hope America are finally beginning to move away from blind support for all things Israeli. Its only the Americans that can put pressure on the Israeli's to behave in a civilised manner.

steddyeddy · 13-07-2014 12:50AM

wazky wrote: »

Where are all those Israelis supposed to go though?

That's a matter for the Israeli government. Some of those settlers see the illegal settlement and other territories as right to live on because god wants them to. You can't argue with mentalities like that so it's up to the sane to move them out.

W123-80's · 13-07-2014 12:56AM

The Sun; 'The cowboy is not playing in croker'
Majority of Ireland; Fair enough

Le Monde; Its nuts in Gaza.
Majority of France; Fair enough

In both instances there are journalists & national media (maybe government) who decide what is worthwhile reporting and what will sell.
In both instances the majority care f*ck all about the cowboy or the situation in Gaza.

Why is that???

Its a poor reflection on mankind. The whole affair.

Banjoxed · 13-07-2014 12:56AM

davmol wrote: »

So,the isralies had some of their citizens murdered and as usual have to kill 10-20 palestinians for every 1 israelie they lost.Scores of innocents will be murdered including a few littel girls already killed and Garth brooks gets teh headline of each newspaper.

what kind of world is this that a plonker who sings sh1t songs can get the headlines while innocent people are murdered by the Israeli war machine?!1:mad:

400,000 brought tickets to see Garth Brooks. About 1,000 protested at the Israeli embassy. So I'd say Garth Brooks is 400 times as popular as Hamas is. Fill Croke Park once with an anti-Zionist rally and then come back with the finger wagging.

pO1Neil · 13-07-2014 01:06AM

...__... wrote: »

You should try reading up on republian history the narrow water ambush was from the republic also lots of times there was bombs planted along the rail line with the tracks used as a command wire down south.
Many gun battles across the border with the ruc/army.

Yes, but bombs exploded in the North I'm well aware of the IRA's use of command lines. but it's not the same as firing a bomb into England were the IRA's most effectove bombing happened. And I'm well aware of British incursions into the South as well. Read up a bit on Robert Nairac a very shady SAS or MI5 agent know as the "British Captain" to Republicans. he's been linked with some of the worst atrocities of the troubles including the Dubling Bombings, Kingsmill & the Miami Showband massacre

oppenheimer1 · 13-07-2014 01:09AM

davmol wrote: »

So,the isralies had some of their citizens murdered and as usual have to kill 10-20 palestinians for every 1 israelie they lost.Scores of innocents will be murdered including a few littel girls already killed and Garth brooks gets teh headline of each newspaper.

what kind of world is this that a plonker who sings sh1t songs can get the headlines while innocent people are murdered by the Israeli war machine?!1:mad:

Because people care more about issues that effect them and can identify with than wars in far away places. Its a sad but true reality.

wes · 13-07-2014 01:10AM

wazky wrote: »

Where are all those Israelis supposed to go though?

Back to Israel, or accept the potential offer from a future Palestinian government of residency in cases where it is offered, and as such having to abide by Palestinian law etc.

Ultimately the settlements are illegal, not to mention an aggressive act of colonization, where Israel uses there own people as weapons to steal as much Palestinian land as possible.

end of the road · 13-07-2014 01:37AM

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

So you do condone Hamas.

thats not what he said

Fr. Ned · 13-07-2014 01:43AM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Post strangely devoid of mention of rocket fire from Gaza into Israel.

Why does rocket fire into israel happen, in your opinion?

opinionated3 · 13-07-2014 01:58AM

Out of interest how many threads were there on after hours referring to the horrific kidnap and murder of the 3 israeli teenagers before all this kicked off? ?

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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