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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    tang1 wrote: »
    Well done on the new position, great appointment(arse licking)!!

    Ha, thanks!

    I regret it already, help me! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    tang1 wrote: »
    Well done on the new position, great appointment(arse licking)!!

    Just spotted that too, already throwing your weight around on the spat thread.
    Good luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Spoilsport. It was the comment on the beard, wasn't it.........:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    dna_leri wrote: »
    Just spotted that too, already throwing your weight around on the spat thread.
    Good luck.

    Power is gone to my head already!
    Spoilsport. It was the comment on the beard, wasn't it.........:)

    The beard is part of who I am, insult the beard and you're insulting me! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Thursday: Drogheda Graded Meet 800m

    Result: 2:13:XX


    This was the definition of a "meh" race. I felt a little bit flat on the warm up and in particular when I was doing the strides. The conditions didn't help, was very warm and extremely windy, especially down the back straight, so pretty crap for 800m running. Was drawn out in lane 8 and after the break I was back from the main group alongside my brother and another guy. Fighting the wind down the back straight and was working hard, hit the bell after 66 which was too slow if I'm honest. Kept it going and got a meter or two over my bro and the other guy dropped off completely. The wind down the back on the second lap was horrific and I could myself slowing. The guys in front were coming back to me and I got within a few meters of them after them being 10 meters in front. Round the top bend and I could see my brothers shadow right behind me. Kicked with everything I had and kept in front of him and nearly caught the next guy, just ran out of track.

    Not very happy with the time but the conditions just weren't good enough. Again I'm happy that I kept the pace steady, was talking to the winner afterwards who ran 2:00 recently and ran 2:07 tonight so all the times were well down. I am still struggling with the pace of these races, I just can't get comfortable with 800m pace, it just feels very fast. I know it is meant to be fast but I never seem to settle in. Whereas with 1500m pace I can cruise through the first two laps feeling strong. I have two more 800m planned this summer so I hope to get under the 2:10 mark. I know it's there, just need the right race. Physio tomorrow. Have a video of the race which I might stick up later.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Friday: 45 mins recovery

    Into the physio today, he's not sure what the issue is so it's to the GP this week to see what he says. Give me the all clear to keep training for the next while anyway.

    Saturday: Oldbridge Parkrun

    Result: 18:46


    Headed out to this with my brother and girlfriend, me and the brother were looking to do it as a tempo effort. This parkrun is run entirely on grass and is tough with several steep climbs and challenging downhills. Some of the sections are run on long grass with only narrow trails so picking the correct route is important. We were hoping to run about 3.50 a kilometer which is about tempo pace. The race was more competitive this week than the previous two and after the start I was in about 10th place. Kept the first k steady, and by the top of the first hill I moved into 6th, hitting the k in 3.49 or so. For the next 2k my brother and another guy ran side by side and we hit a couple of low 3:40 k's here. I was feeling good so on a big downhill section I pushed on a little and got away from the two guys. My brother died a little and I kept about 20 meters over the guy in 6th. Started to become a little more like hard with 1k to go but kept the pace up and finished in 5th overall. This is a great route and will make great cross country training, but it not a course for fast times (I believe it is slightly long as well, probably depends on how you run the course, not that it matters). Would really recommend travelling down if you're looking for something a bit different, especially those with the cross country season in mind.

    Overall I was happy with the result, I held sub 6 minute miles the whole way around which on a course like this I am happy with, especially as I never went into top gear. I have our club's 4 mile race next week so this was a tester of the endurance and I shouldn't embarrass myself at least. Don't want any track fairy comments if I can't run a decent 4 mile road race! Long run tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Just wondering why are you doing park runs at this time of year? Summer should be about speed I would have thought. Maybe it works differently for 1500 runners though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Just wondering why are you doing park runs at this time of year? Summer should be about speed I would have thought. Maybe it works differently for 1500 runners though.

    It's a fair question. The coach planned this as a strength week, so a tempo was always on the cards today and the parkrun provided an opportunity to get it done with a bit of company on a tough course. I have plenty of speed sessions done this summer, as well as an 800m race this week and I like to keep in touch with this side of training, tempo is important for 1500m runners. Big, nasty 1500m paced planned for next Wednesday should make up for it though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Sunday: 80 minutes easy on grass

    Absolutely glorious morning out in Oldbridge, took in a few of the hillier routes. Good company and warm weather made the miles fly by. Legs were tired at the end, two tough days in a row on the grass left its toll.

    Good weeks training, two good sessions and a race. The plan for the next week is to get a good 1500m session on Wednesday, then I will run our club's four mile road race next weekend. I wouldn't normally run a race like this during the summer but it's our home race and we need a big team. The following week then is our County T+F champs which was the target for the summer, will run the 800m and 1500m hopefully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Sunday: 80 minutes easy on grass

    Absolutely glorious morning out in Oldbridge, took in a few of the hillier routes. Good company and warm weather made the miles fly by. Legs were tired at the end, two tough days in a row on the grass left its toll.

    Good weeks training, two good sessions and a race. The plan for the next week is to get a good 1500m session on Wednesday, then I will run our club's four mile road race next weekend. I wouldn't normally run a race like this during the summer but it's our home race and we need a big team. The following week then is our County T+F champs which was the target for the summer, will run the 800m and 1500m hopefully.

    My personal opinion would be to look after number one first. Athletics is an individual sport, and if the 800m and 1500m at Louth Championships are the target for the season then I don't see the purpose of running a 4 mile road race just 4-5 days beforehand. You won't gain much from it that close to the target race, and only risk doing damage IMO. Club is very important of course, and I loved to help out my club in Melbourne and get involved in certain club events when it suited, but if they had their way they would have had me throwing javelins and running relays before my 400m week in week out.

    I'd also be completely against clubs staging road races smack bang in the middle of track season. It completely takes away from the track, which should be the focus for most athletes this time of year. This is obviously something which is not unique to your club, and something which seems widespread (club road races on at weekend's in summer, while track meets gets thrown to midweek). I suppose that's a discussion for a different thread though.

    Just wondering, for interest sake, why are the Louth Championships on so close to Nationals? Are they not anticipating many seniors competing?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    My personal opinion would be to look after number one first. Athletics is an individual sport, and if the 800m and 1500m at Louth Championships are the target for the season then I don't see the purpose of running a 4 mile road race just 4-5 days beforehand. You won't gain much from it that close to the target race, and only risk doing damage IMO. Club is very important of course, and I loved to help out my club in Melbourne and get involved in certain club events when it suited, but if they had their way they would have had me throwing javelins and running relays before my 400m week in week out.

    I'd also be completely against clubs staging road races smack bang in the middle of track season. It completely takes away from the track, which should be the focus for most athletes this time of year. This is obviously something which is not unique to your club, and something which seems widespread (club road races on at weekend's in summer, while track meets gets thrown to midweek). I suppose that's a discussion for a different thread though.

    Just wondering, for interest sake, why are the Louth Championships on so close to Nationals? Are they not anticipating many seniors competing?

    I'm not too sure why the county champs are so close to the nationals. Louth is quite a small county and the county champs wouldn't be as revered as the likes of the Dublin champs, so anyone who was giving the nationals a go would just skip the county champs (especially the top guys in the county).

    With regards to the four mile race, I appreciate the concern. The county champs are on the Thursday so I will have a few days to recover before them. Running the four mile shouldn't take too much out of me as it won't be a 100% effort, but rather a run to make up numbers. The 1500m is the only race I am really concerned with on the Thursday (the 800m is just fro fun, and I might not even do it) and I feel I should have adequate recovery time. However I will review the situation with the coach during the week and get his opinion, I haven't informed him that I plan to run the road race yet so his opinion might be similar to yours!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Monday: Off

    Tuesday: 49 mins easy


    Did this on grass up in my usual haunt, felt really good and I was ticking along nicely at then end. The grass track is a little over a kilometer around and it's marked so you can time your k's. 4.35 or so seems to be easy pace these days, I have no idea what that is in miles, damn metric system!

    Wednesday: Session

    3x(300m, 400m, 500m) 60 secs rec, 3 mins between sets + 3x150m strides

    Splits: (55, 72, 1.30), (54, 72, 1.30), (53, 73, DNF)

    Hmmm, so this was meant to be the last big confidence boosting session before next week but it didn't go quite to plan. The plan was to run 72's so 54 for 300's and 1.30's for the 500's. First set was fine and although we were working hard I felt good. However the stomach was not feeling good and I was killed with cramps. Started the second set and got the pacing spot on, but it was hard work and the gale blowing down the back straight was not helping. Had to dash to the toilets between this set and the last. Last set started out fine but the last 400m was really hard work. My brother led out the final 500m but after 200m I was fried and he started to pull away. At the 300m I pulled out. As is often when you do this I immediately regretted it. I pulled out more from frustration than anything, I wasn't feeling good, the wind was strong and my stomach was killing me. But I was being a pansy and should have stuck it out, the brother ran strong and finished with a 1.30.

    Changed into the spikes and did a few 150's, took a bad fall on the last one, stubbed my toe on the ground and went over. Quite a bad fall but doesn't seem to be any serious damage, except that done to my pride!

    So overall on reflection not a bad session but I'm just not feeling it at the moment. Finding these sessions tough and I'm looking forward to getting this race out of the way next week. Legs are feeling a bit stale. I will be cutting my track season short as I am away to Berlin for a few weeks at the start of August and I feel like I need the break. I've been going at these sessions for about 10 weeks now and I have a feeling I peaked too early, possibly around the time of the Leinsters in June. Hopefully there is one more good race for me next week!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Get plenty of rest and just do easy runs with fast strides for next few days. Should help you recover for next race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Better get these down before I forget!

    Thursday: 43 mins "recovery"

    This was meant to be a recovery run but after doing 2 miles very easy on my own I met a friend a ran a loop of our 4 mile race route. He kept pushing and despite my best efforts to slow him we did the 4 mile in about 28 minutes. Felt very easy but probably too hard for a supposed recovery day.

    Friday: 10k easy

    This actually was done at an easy pace, wore the Garmin for the first since last November or so to see what sort of paces I was running. Seems my easy pace is about 7:25 or so these days, struggled to keep this down at 7:40 pace. Felt great.

    Saturday: 25 mins easy

    Volunteered at the Oldrbridge parkrun and then headed with the brother for a short run around the loop. Wanted to get more done but I felt awful right from the go, was overdressed and over heating so called it a day early. Just one of those days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    10 mins W/U, 4 mile in 23:51, 10 mins C/D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Forget about thoughts of the end of the season. Big push for Thursday night. Can think about the off season, and the break once the race is done. Good luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Ha, I'm not a sprinter, my off season is also known as cross season and lasts about 5 months! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Monday: Off

    Tuesday: 47 minutes steady/easy + strides


    Out to Oldbridge for this and I enjoyed myself winding around the fields and trails. Decided to wear the Garmin to measure some of the fields and routes, was tipping along at around about 7.10/15 pace for most of it. Felt good.

    Wednesday: 40 mins very easy + strides

    Just an easy one to keep the legs ticking over. Louth track and field champs tomorrow night, I'm going to enter the 1500m and 800m. The 1500m is the main one so depending on how that goes I might not even do the 800m. Conditions are looking good so hopefully the wind stays away and we can get some good times. I'm a little nervous about this as I haven't been feeling the best when doing the faster stuff recently but hopefully it will come together on the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    A quick update here:

    Louth T+F Champs Senior 1500m, Silver Medal (4:31:XX)

    800m Senior, Gold Medal (2:13:XX)

    Happy with the 800m, not so much with the 1500m, made a bad tactical decision.

    Will do a longer report later and a bit of an overview of my track season which I think ended with a bit of a whimper. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    pconn062 wrote: »
    A quick update here:

    Louth T+F Champs Senior 1500m, Silver Medal (4:31:XX)

    800m Senior, Gold Medal (2:13:XX)

    Happy with the 800m, not so much with the 1500m, made a bad tactical decision.

    Will do a longer report later and a bit of an overview of my track season which I think ended with a bit of a whimper. :(

    You just won gold & silver at your county track championships over what are regarded the two premier distances in middle distance, how the fook is that a whimper?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    tang1 wrote: »
    You just won gold & silver at your county track championships over what are regarded the two premier distances in middle distance, how the fook is that a whimper?

    I realise that might sound a bit funny alright! It looks better than it sounds, there was only two seniors in the 800m so not a lot of competition and a bad decision in the 1500m might have cost me a gold. Also, the times are not much to write home about, both slower than I ran 6 weeks ago.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    pconn062 wrote: »
    I realise that might sound a bit funny alright! It looks better than it sounds, there was only two seniors in the 800m so not a lot of competition and a bad decision in the 1500m might have cost me a gold. Also, the times are not much to write home about, both slower than I ran 6 weeks ago.

    You can only beat whats put in front of you, and 30 years down the line when your kids may be running in those championships your name will be forever engraved on the 800m trophy, something to be proud of i think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Might as well throw up a report while I can remember. Headed out with the intention of running the 1500m and maybe the 800m depending on how much time there was between the events. Big field in the 1500m, about 17 I think. Conditions were not the best, after a glorious day a big band of fog rolled in making it quite cold and the wind picked up with the arrival of the fog.

    Off we went and I settled into about 7th place. I wanted to try and run as steady as possible, hit 400m in 70 seconds and 800m in 2:23. I was feeling a little fatigued at this stage but not so much that I thought I was going to blow up. We were gradually closing in on the group in front just as we hit the bell. At the 300m mark my brother went around me and the next group and here where I made a mistake. I could have went with him but I thought it was too far out. I got by the group with 200m to go but my brother had ten meters on me by this stage. My clubmate was roaring at me that the guys were catching but with 100m to go I kicked again and got well clear, and even caught one more guy just on the line. Time was average enough, about 4:31 or so, my brother picking up the senior gold about 4 seconds ahead of me.

    I was a bit pissed, happy that I passed 3 guys in the last 300m but I should have had the balls to go with my brother. Plus it hurts even more when my little brother beats me! Felt OK after the race, none of the usual heaving and coughing so I obviously had something left in the tank.

    Had about an hour off and I decided to give the 800m a go seen as I paid for it. They split the races and the field was quite large so my race had the seniors (all two of us), the juniors and the o/35's. Legs felt a little heavy for the first 200m which we hit in about 33 (too slow). I was in 4th at this stage and hit the bell in 67 (again, too slow). The other senior runner was getting lots of shouts from his club and passed me with 300m to go. I didn't panic and tried to stop the gap growing. With 150m to go I knew he was hurting and got back up to him, 100m to go and I kicked and got away from him, finishing in about 2:13 or so. Again no lying on the ground at the end and I was happy with the last 200m (the brother had me clocked with a 31 second final 200m).

    I thought that was it but managed to get roped into a 4x100m relay which was fun, I ran the second leg and we managed somehow to get a silver medal even though we only had one real sprinter in our team. Good fun, although I'm sure legs will pay for it tomorrow.

    So please bear with me while I do a little self-indulgent self reflection. That's pretty much it for my track season as I am away from the start of August. I'm going to run a mile race next Wednesday which will be my last race. Overall I think it went pretty well, especially at the start of last month where I set my 1500m PB of 4.27 at the Leinster championships. Since then I have struggled a little with the sessions and never managed to better that time. I think I peaked too early, which is something I will have to address for next year. I still haven't manged to come up with a good strategy for the 800m. I know I have a faster time in me than 2:12 and I need to be a little more aggressive when racing it, especially in the first lap. The positives are that I managed to get a full track season in without any serious injuries and I learnt a lot about racing and training. For next year I am going to try and get the top middle distance runners involved with our little group to help us structure the training for the season a little better. I really want to try and move up to the next level and get my times down closer to 4:10 and 2:05, which I hope is possible with the right training.

    Anyway, that's enough moaning, back to training.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Friday: 45 mins very easy

    Did on grass and went as slow as I could humanly go. Legs very stiff and tired after the previous night.

    Saturday

    AM: 4 miles
    PM: 4 miles


    Had planned to do a session today but the legs were still in a jock so squeezed in two short easy runs before and after spending the day at the nationals. First one was awful, second one was much more enjoyable.

    Sunday: 72 mins "easy"

    "Long" run today out in Oldbridge, really struggled right from the start. Started earlier than I am used to and had no breakfast. Legs were tired and the hilly grassy ground was tough going. Called it a day a little earlier than I hoped, was wrecked. I think after the two runs yesterday and then standing all day at the nationals had an effect. Might try my long run on the road next week.

    So I have two options for this week, we have a mile time trial on Wednesday at the club but there is also an 800m at the Graded meets in Santry on Wednesday which I am also considering. Hadn't planned on running it but I might just go up and really give it a lash, try and run a fast first laps and see what happens. I know I can run faster than 2.12 in the right race. Will decide in a day or two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    go on, do the race!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    go on, do the race!!

    I seem to have my facts mixed up, it appears there is no 800m race on Wednesday. :( Don't know where I got that from, mile time trial it is!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Congrats on your season. Next season I think you should target nationals. There were 2 guys who ran 4:30ish so you would have had company. Nothing like running against the best. Learn loads. You'd have to pick one of the events only though realistically, which I would assume would be the 1500m, as it seems your stronger event.

    You'd probably want to look at some faster sessions for 800m tbh, and even the odd 400 race for speed. But I guess it comes down to what distance you are focusing on. If its the 1500 then I wouldn't beat yourself up too much over your 800m performances this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Congrats on your season. Next season I think you should target nationals. There were 2 guys who ran 4:30ish so you would have had company. Nothing like running against the best. Learn loads. You'd have to pick one of the events only though realistically, which I would assume would be the 1500m, as it seems your stronger event.

    You'd probably want to look at some faster sessions for 800m tbh, and even the odd 400 race for speed. But I guess it comes down to what distance you are focusing on. If its the 1500 then I wouldn't beat yourself up too much over your 800m performances this season.

    Yeah, after spending the last two days at the nationals I think I'm inspired to target that next year. To be honest though I would want to feel like I was capable of running closer to 4.10 for the 1,500m to be comfortable entering. And without sounding cocky I think that's possible. I didn't plan my year too well this year but I am already planning next years season and am in contact with one of the top middle distance guys in my club with a view to coaching me. 1,500m with definitely be the main event though, although as you say the 800m and even the 400m will be important. Well done on your PB, nice to see the work pay off and no better place to run a PB than the nationals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    pconn062 wrote: »
    I seem to have my facts mixed up, it appears there is no 800m race on Wednesday. :( Don't know where I got that from, mile time trial it is!

    You were not dreaming, it is on the DAB home page:
    315345.JPG

    I am hoping to make it too, if I can get time off work.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Ah, I knew I seen it somewhere, thanks for that. It's not in the Graded book but I knew I wasn't imagining it. Decision time now!


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