Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

I Heart Internet · 11-07-2014 12:54PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

No missiles came from Irish bases but bombs certainly did.

Also, the Irish government were involved in gun running for the IRA!!

So that would justify RAF strikes on Irish centres of population? Nonsense.

humanji · 11-07-2014 12:54PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

How is that clear?

From them continually killing civilians and shrugging it off as accidental, each and every time...

If they actually gave a sh*t, they could take out targets precisely. Your claim that they make mistakes would mean something if they didn't continually "make mistakes" and do nothing to rectify them. It's collective punishment. Exactly what Hamas are doing.

end of the road · 11-07-2014 12:55PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

That's just not true.

it is true. stop making excuses for terrorists

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Israel, despite killing innocent people, do aim to avoid killing innocent people.

no, they don't

I Heart Internet · 11-07-2014 12:55PM

humanji wrote: »

If they actually gave a sh*t, they could take out targets precisely.

As I said, they're not magicians.

humanji · 11-07-2014 12:58PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

As I said, they're not magicians.

They are capable of not killing as many civilians, though. If they want to claim the moral high ground, they're going to have to start acting less like those they are fighting.

end of the road · 11-07-2014 12:59PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

They have the ability to make precision attacks, yes. They use it.

they don't use it

I Heart Internet wrote: »

they are not magicians and will mistakes.

not mistakes, deliberate

I Heart Internet wrote: »

With Hamas, it is never a mistake. Every lucky kill of any Israeli is a source of joy for them.

same with israel

Del2005 · 11-07-2014 01:00PM

end of the road wrote: »

delusianel nonsense, israel would kill civilians anyway, its a popular tactic with them

I never said Israel doesn't kill civilians. I said Hamas fire their rockets from civilian areas so when the Israelis counter battery they kill civilians. At least Israel makes a pretence at trying to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas want to kill civilians on both sides.

Neither side is better than the other, but the Israelis try to protect their own civilians from harm with sirens and bunkers while Hamas intentionally get their civilians killed. I know if I had to live in that region I'd rather have a government that protects me than puts me in harm. Yet the Palestinians voted in the people who are getting them killed.

end of the road · 11-07-2014 01:02PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Israel rejoices in the killing of civilians. Hamas rejoices in the killing of civilians.

just except it, poor little israel is as bad if not worse then Hamas, there is no excuse for the large scale massacres israel perform at will

end of the road · 11-07-2014 01:10PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Why don't Hamas call their bluff. Fire all it's rockets from remote/unpopulated areas - see if Israel fires on thoses sites and remove any justification for Israeli missiles in populated areas.

Why don't Hamas do that??

Do it for a month and see what happens.

i believe they all ready tried such a tactic, and it failed

wes · 11-07-2014 01:11PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Why don't Hamas call their bluff. Fire all it's rockets from remote/unpopulated areas - see if Israel fires on thoses sites and remove any justification for Israeli missiles in populated areas.

Why don't Hamas do that??

Do it for a month and see what happens.

Before the 3 Israeli teenagers were kidnapped and murdered, 2 Palestinians teenagers were murdered in the West Bank by the IDF, where no rockets are being fired.

The entire notion that Israels violence is due to rocket attacks in nonsense. Even in the West Bank, were Fatah's security forces actively work with Israel, the IDF still murder Palestinians, not to mention there constant settlement expansion. No matter what the Palestinians do, they will be on the end of Israeli violence, as Israel wants to maximize the land they can grab in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

FFS, the IDF bombed a cafe, that was showing the world cup, and they also target civilian infrastructure, due to Hamas being the government. The entire notion that Israel is only attacking site where rockets are being launched from is nonsense. They are attacking the entire civilian infrastructure, just like the last time, and the time before that, and so on.

end of the road · 11-07-2014 01:13PM

Del2005 wrote: »

I never said Israel doesn't kill civilians. I said Hamas fire their rockets from civilian areas so when the Israelis counter battery they kill civilians. At least Israel makes a pretence at trying to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas want to kill civilians on both sides.

Neither side is better than the other, but the Israelis try to protect their own civilians from harm with sirens and bunkers while Hamas intentionally get their civilians killed. I know if I had to live in that region I'd rather have a government that protects me than puts me in harm. Yet the Palestinians voted in the people who are getting them killed.

you mean israel pretends they don't want to kill civilians? at the end of the day this is about israel wanting gaza and other related territory

ankaragucu · 11-07-2014 01:16PM

Surely ordinary Palestinians must be asking why are they again involved in military action against a foe who militarily have 100s of times the firepower they possess?
Shouldnt Palestine be putting all their energies into a peaceful negociated resolution defined by the international community purely on the basis that the alternative, getting slaughtered, isnt really too clever?

pO1Neil · 11-07-2014 01:18PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The IRA were not launching missiles into the North from Irish bases.

Any activity of the IRA in the Republic of Ireland was policed by a stable government committed to peace in the Republic of Ireland.

The situation in Gaza is entirely differernt.

Yeah there bombs were a lot more effective than Hamas'. One bomb alone cost the British state over a billion pound. several others in about the space of 3 & half years cost 100's of millions each. They reduced the center of Manchester to rubbell. They blew up clubs, restraunts, pubs, shops etc. in the middle of London for a whole year. They they tried to kill 3 British PM's. They blew up the hotel the PM was staying & killed members of her cabinet. they launched a rocket into the PM's place of residence, they killed 18 British soldiers in one go. Hamas killed 13 Israeli soldiers during the whole 2008 - 2009 Gaza massacre. Most of the IRA men came from the North were there was no government not the South & the two men who killed the British in 2008 were from the North

11-07-2014 01:19PM

snaphook wrote: »

Barack Obama is trying to broker a ceasefire between them.

Meanwhile, a group of residents in Dublin said they planned on calling on him to convince Brooks to play the concerts.

Some people need to be shaken violently and given a clatter across the face for good measure.

This makes me cringe

:o:o

the_monkey · 11-07-2014 01:21PM

moxin wrote: »

The media(especially the British media) gave far more coverage to the kidnapped Israeli teenagers than the revenge murder of the Palestinian. Also they never gave any coverage to the 5 or so Palestinians that died at the hands of the Israelis just before the kidnapping of the Israeli teenagers.

Its as if Israelis are superior human beings to the Palestinians.

But of course they are !! they went through the holocaust they have to be ..

wes · 11-07-2014 01:28PM

ankaragucu wrote: »

Surely ordinary Palestinians must be asking why are they again involved in military action against a foe who militarily have 100s of times the firepower they possess?
Shouldnt Palestine be putting all their energies into a peaceful negociated resolution defined by the international community purely on the basis that the alternative, getting slaughtered, isnt really too clever?

Fatah is working with Israel, and did try to negotiate, but the peace talks fell apart, when Israel want back on agreement made during them. Fatahs security forces actually work with Israel to prevent attacks, and yet settlements expand, settlers attack them, and the IDF murders them. Acting peacefully has gained the Palestinians just more settlers on there land, and nothing else.

brimal · 11-07-2014 01:29PM

During this current conflict, Iron Dome has increased its success rate to near 90%, an improvement on 2012 conflict.

You have to hand it to the Israelis, Iron Dome is an incredible feat of technology and engineering.

I Heart Internet · 11-07-2014 01:31PM

pO1Neil wrote: »

Yeah there bombs were a lot more effective than Hamas'. One bomb alone cost the British state over a billion pound. several others in about the space of 3 & half years cost 100's of millions each. They reduced the center of Manchester to rubbell. They blew up clubs, restraunts, pubs, shops etc. in the middle of London for a whole year. They they tried to kill 3 British PM's. They blew up the hotel the PM was staying & killed members of her cabinet. they launched a rocket into the PM's place of residence, they killed 18 British soldiers in one go. Hamas killed 13 Israeli soldiers during the whole 2008 - 2009 Gaza massacre. Most of the IRA men came from the North were there was no government not the South & the two men who killed the British in 2008 were from the North

And these bombs were all launched from the Republic of Ireland with our government's approval?! Wow. That has changed everything.

For the record, just lash up an oul link to info about these missile attacks from the Rep of Ireland on NI and Britain. I'd like to read about them.

Steviemak · 11-07-2014 01:35PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The IRA were not launching missiles into the North from Irish bases.

The IRA launched most of their bombing campaigns from Ireland. They stored most of their artillery in Ireland and moved across the border for attacks before heading back south. Never once did the British army mount an armed assault on know locations of IRA operatives in Ireland for fear of civilian casualties.

I Heart Internet · 11-07-2014 01:36PM

Steviemak wrote: »

The IRA launched most of their bombing campaigns from Ireland. They stored most of their artillery in Ireland and moved across the border for attacks before heading back south. Never once did the British army mount an armed assault on know locations of IRA operatives in Ireland for fear of civilian casualties.

Funny how "launch" takes on a whole new meaning when people are desperately scrambling to make an argument stand up.

For the record, the British Army didn't mount any serious incursion into the Rep becasue there was a realatively stable, friendly governemnt in this jurisdiction to help prevent terrorist activity.

keith16 · 11-07-2014 01:38PM

Averi Swift Pane wrote: »

More Israelis would have been killed only for their defence systems shooting down some of the rockets and people going into shelters as soon as the sirens go off.

Everyone is bemoaning the poor Palestinians but forgets that they are continually firing onto Israel. Is Israel to stand still and let them? Some would think so.

Is Palestine to stand still?

More Palestinians would have been saved only they lack defence systems, sirens and shelters.

Peist2007 · 11-07-2014 01:38PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Clarrification - Hamas want to kill Israelis - any Israelis. Israel wants to kill Hamas terrorists firing rockets into Israel. Crucial difference.

And how do you know that is what the Israelis want when they bomb people on the waterfront in a bar watching the World Cup? How did you glean Israel's intent from that? The Israeli intelligence minister was on Newsnight last night and this question was put to him. He basically admitted bombing civilians saying that there were "Hamas operatives" in that bar too. So where is the intent argument after that?

pO1Neil · 11-07-2014 01:41PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

And these bombs were all launched from the Republic of Ireland with our government's approval?! Wow. That has changed everything.

For the record, just lash up an oul link to info about these missile attacks from the Rep of Ireland on NI and Britain. I'd like to read about them.

What are you talking about? KI never said any of that. All the attacks camr from within the North & England & sometimes Europe themselves. When did the IRA launch a a bomb attack from the Republic into the North because I missed those news bulletins.

I Heart Internet · 11-07-2014 01:46PM

pO1Neil wrote: »

What are you talking about? KI never said any of that. All the attacks camr from within the North & England & sometimes Europe themselves. When did the IRA launch a a bomb attack from the Republic into the North because I missed those news bulletins.

Indeed.

My sarcasm was to point out the nonsense of comparing the situation in Ireland during the troubles to Gaza today. And to confirm, in particular, that missiles were not launched from the south into the north (thus removing the need for an RAF strike.

WilyCoyote · 11-07-2014 01:57PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

And these bombs were all launched from the Republic of Ireland with our government's approval?! Wow. That has changed everything.

For the record, just lash up an oul link to info about these missile attacks from the Rep of Ireland on NI and Britain. I'd like to read about them.

And this is why the Brits had to listen to what the IRA had to say. As with all the places that they've colonised ........ they only understand bombs, bullets and economic impingement.

But the sleveens and west brits would never admit it. Walking, talking parodies.

end of the road · 11-07-2014 01:59PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Funny how "launch" takes on a whole new meaning when people are desperately scrambling to make an argument stand up.

For the record, the British Army didn't mount any serious incursion into the Rep becasue there was a realatively stable, friendly governemnt in this jurisdiction to help prevent terrorist activity.

or because they knew that if they did the IRA would have no problem planting hundreds of bombs all over britain at the same time, britain realised talking was the only way, it took them a bit but they got it, israel on the other hand don't and will never get it while they can use judaeism as a tool of emotional blackmail meaning countries will be reluctant to say anything

FTA69 · 11-07-2014 02:00PM

Just a few clarifications considering the sheer amount of misinformation on this thread:

1) There is no proof Hamas as an organisation had any hand in the killings of the three teenagers. The three teenagers belong to the most fanatical of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, it was someone from that settlement who killed 29 worshippers in the Ibrahimi Mosque with an assault rifle. Large parts of Hebron have been declared off-limits to Palestinians and Arabs are forbidden from walking down some streets or driving down roads. The settlers frequently launch pretty horrific attacks on Palestinians from their enclaves.

In other words, literally anybody could have targeted people from that settlement.

2) Israel was not peacefully minding its own business when Hamas decided to launch rockets into it for the craic. It had responded to the kidnappings with heavy handed raids into the West Bank which killed numerous people and had attempted to assassinate Hamas members. In the much bigger picture, it maintains its policy of settlement building which is aggressively seizing land from the Palestinians. The West Bank remains under direct occupation and recently had 10% of its territory annexed with the construction of the Israeli wall that surrounds it. Gaza is under siege and has even been described by David Cameron as a de-facto "prison camp". East Jerusalem remains under an apartheid system aimed at squeezing out the Arab population. The Palestinians are a broken and defeated people, they are desperately looking for a settlement that will lead to their own state (inc Hamas). They aren't stupid, they know that they aren't going to push anyone into the sea.

3) The Hamas rockets, while a threat, have yet to claim any Israeli lives since they were launched during this recent outbreak of conflict. On the other hand, the Palestinian death-toll is pushing a hundred. Talk of disciplined targeting of rocket sites are nonsense. Three days ago they killed seven children. Lately they have blown up a bar full of people watching the World Cup. That happened once in Ireland and we refer to it as a massacre, in the media nowadays it seems to be a "surgical strike". They also frequently drop missiles on places where they suspect Hamas members are; including hospitals and apartment buildings.

They couldn't give a sh*t about civilian casualties.

Standman · 11-07-2014 02:08PM

OPs like this are just pure whataboutery. There is always some "worse" news out there.

animaal · 11-07-2014 02:24PM

Standman wrote: »

OPs like this are just pure whataboutery. There is always some "worse" news out there.

Yes. How many of us would read a daily paper where the front page must always be about whichever humanitarian crisis is worst around the world? I wouldn't.

I have no interest in Garth Brooks, and find the whole fuss slightly amusing. However, people are most interested in what affects them directly. At the moment, for a lot of people, it's the shape of our government, and Garth Brooks. We're no different to people anywhere else; I wonder how many explosions in Northern Ireland made the front page in Isreal?

It's understandable that people get emotional about Israelis and Palestinians killing each other's populations. But that outrage can't be imposed on everybody else.

LordSutch · 11-07-2014 02:34PM

davmol wrote: »

So,the isralies had some of their citizens murdered and as usual have to kill 10-20 palestinians for every 1 israelie they lost.Scores of innocents will be murdered including a few littel girls already killed and Garth brooks gets teh headline of each newspaper.

what kind of world is this that a plonker who sings sh1t songs can get the headlines while innocent people are murdered by the Israeli war machine?!1:mad:

While I agree with you about the rediculous promenacnce give in all the papers to the Garth Brooks farce vis a vis the deaths in Gaza, I disagree with your angle regarding who is to blame re the current tit for tat attacks by Gaza against Israel (and the Israeli response to those attacks).

Full credit to Netanyahu for showing restraint (re a ground invasion) in the face of 'full on' provication (by some) in Gaza.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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