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Toaiseach intervenes in Brooks debacle.

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  • #92
    Permabear
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  • #93
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
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    ITs early day yet. Garth gate will rumble into the weekend.

    Regarding the signatures on the petition. Yes if some have been forged the Guards need to have a look. It is at this stage a totally separate issue however as the current law does not allow for appeals. So even if there was 70 billion signatures forged onto it it would not make a blind bit of difference now to the staging of the concerts.


  • #94
    Happyman42
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    I have years of experience of the Indo making stuff up. I am instantly on guard when no other newspaper runs with it or reports on it themselves. It's a dead giveaway.
    If you want to slur somebody's charather which headline would you chose here,

    Resident was 'paid €15,000 to help his court case'

    Resident recieved €15,000 towards his court expenses

    both technically correct but one is designed to give the story a sinister slant.

    Appalling paper


  • #95
    EricPraline
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭EricPraline


    Kensington wrote: »
    Thankfully, planning law and decision making doesn't work like that. Nor should it ever.
    Very good post. Sadly planning has worked like that in Ireland in the past. People seem genuinely shocked that it hasn't been circumvented in this case. Shure bend the rules, what harm, it'll bring in money and we'll all be laughing etc. People have associated the idea of ignoring planning decisions with corrupt councillors and big developers in the past, but it seems to be something that a large segment of the Irish population are completely comfortable with.


  • #96
    Joe prim
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    Upside could be an opportunity for Enda to appoint a new Minister for Garth Brooks Affairs, thus saving some poor b*s*a*d's ministerial pension. (And two juniors to look after Philomema Begley and Billy Ray Cyrus)


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  • #97
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
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    Long as it suits themselves they are fine with ignoring the planning laws. Imagine if planning regulation was bent for installation of say an incinerator? I wonder if the same people who want to ignore the law now would be happy that the law was ignored in that situation. I appreciate thats an extreme example but the law is there for a reason. It is explicit for a reason. It is designed to stop all this intervention and "nod and a wink" politics.

    But shure **** that lets all get pissed and have a line dance. Yeow!


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    Permabear
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  • #99
    Happyman42
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    No, not everything, but I have learned that there are ways of spotting their tripe as I have outlined.
    Thankfully most people know bull when they read it.


  • #100
    oppenheimer1
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    heartseeker wrote: »
    This is a complete farce.Yet another example of the rich,powerful and influential trying to put maximum pressure and guilt on a Dublin City Council Manager for merely making a decision that he deemed fair and agreeable.This release of an email by Garth brooks and now the taoiseach wading in is clear example of media bias and government not knowing its place.How Enda Kenny can justify this after all the planning corruption cases shows a wilful ignorance of the law and lack of respect for fellow civil servants.Owen Keegan should be commended for not bowing to political and media pressure here and bullied into uturning from an initial fair proposal.What a moron country we live in when the head of state chooses something like this to excert his influence.Forget medical card debacle, homeless crisis, priory hall ,jobbridge scandal this is a political hotbed for Kenny.Absolute joke!

    The reason it's a political hotbed and Kenny has gotten involved are simple, there were over 300,000 potential voters that care a lot about this issue.

    The reason Kenny and co don't give much attention to homeless, job bridge, priory hall etc issues are because the electorate doesn't really care about them.

    If 300,000 people lived in priory hall and it cost the exchequer nothing to fix the problem, it would have the highest priority.


  • #101
    maxwell smart
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    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Is garth a psychopath?

    I think he is actually very very smart indeed... (and very very rich too of course)

    He has bounced a ball back into play and everyone else is trying to catch it.

    Genius!


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  • #102
    kippy
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    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    The reason it's a political hotbed and Kenny has gotten involved are simple, there were over 300,000 potential voters that care a lot about this issue.

    The reason Kenny and co don't give much attention to homeless, job bridge, priory hall etc issues are because the electorate doesn't really care about them.

    If 300,000 people lived in priory hall and it cost the exchequer nothing to fix the problem, it would have the highest priority.
    The cost to fix this problem is huge. Indeed fixing this whole problem is akin to letting priory hall happen all over again. (Pissing all over the planning laws)


  • #103
    Permabear
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  • #104
    Murray007
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    This fiasco could bring down the government :)


  • #105
    ThisRegard
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    It's fucking embarrassing that the White House even commented on it.


  • #106
    Cantremember
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    Appalling to think that the reputation of the country as a state where the rule of law is upheld and the lessons of the past have been absorbed and applied now rests on the shoulders of one civil servant.


  • #107
    Happyman42
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Show me an article from another newspaper that doesn't either directly quote the Indo story or other 'reports'.
    What has the Garda pres office said about it? Can you point to a source there that says a 'major investigation' is underway?

    If the Indo is making stuff up, invariably the sentence will begin with 'Sources say....'

    On here we ask people to name or link to the 'Sources' for their claims otherwise you get get called on it.


  • #108
    Fr. Ned
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    Well done to Kenny and the rest of the pointless, spineless individuals who 'run' this Banana Republic.

    We well and truly are the laughing stock of the world right now.

    A simple planning matter, in which DCC are entirely correct, is now a worldwide story.

    I'm ashamed and embarrassed to be Irish right now. DISGUSTING populist politicians hopping on a pathetic bandwagon and making a show of us all.

    Ireland, get a grip FFS.


  • #109
    mikom
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    Read the second part of my sig.

    Those lads were not thinking about Gareth Brooks.


  • #110
    nice_guy80
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    Could Garth Brooks bring down the government?

    this is hilarious stuff


  • #111
    ankaragucu
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    I wish people would stop worrying about this "affecting our reputation abroad".
    They dont give a sh1t.


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  • #112
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
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    The concert not happening had no effect. I'd be worried that the taosieach pandering to a musician would affect it though.


  • #113
    Godge
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I have years of experience of the Indo making stuff up. I am instantly on guard when no other newspaper runs with it or reports on it themselves. It's a dead giveaway.
    If you want to slur somebody's charather which headline would you chose here,

    Resident was 'paid €15,000 to help his court case'

    Resident recieved €15,000 towards his court expenses

    both technically correct but one is designed to give the story a sinister slant.

    Appalling paper
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    No, not everything, but I have learned that there are ways of spotting their tripe as I have outlined.
    Thankfully most people know bull when they read it.


    Here is a direct quote from the article.

    "Mr Duff said he sought the money on Sunday while he was at a hurling match in Dublin. He refused to say who paid him but claimed it was people north and south of the border."

    Maybe Mr. Duff can sue the Indo if the article is untrue (seeing as he has the money for a court case).


  • #114
    Fr. Ned
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    donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »
    The concert not happening had no effect. I'd be worried that the taosieach pandering to a musician would affect it though.

    Pandering to outsiders is what Kenny does best.....


  • #115
    BeerSteakBirds
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    Our Taoiseach should be too busy to even think about this issue. Access to those who make the decisions should not be given lightly for pathetic reasons. What the hell are our politicians being paid for ? Every free working moment of Kennys should be spent trying to untangle more pressing issues. Its not like there is a lack of issues in this country or a lack of opportunities to learn more about issues...

    And the Brooks concert cancellation is not a loss for the economy at all. If the concerts go ahead the money would just go to Brooks' bank account abroad and to the foreign holidays of a host of vested interests. it is not a sustainable investment in the economy but instead represents leakage of money out of the economy due to the cost of gas travelling there etc. I wouldn't be concerned about this. Life will continue to be sustained around Croker by other more reliable events, not some shyte cuntry singer who blows in after a few decades.


  • #116
    Godge
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Show me an article from another newspaper that doesn't either directly quote the Indo story or other 'reports'.
    What has the Garda pres office said about it? Can you point to a source there that says a 'major investigation' is underway?

    If the Indo is making stuff up, invariably the sentence will begin with 'Sources say....'

    On here we ask people to name or link to the 'Sources' for their claims otherwise you get get called on it.



    http://southdublin.today.ie/2014/07/09/entertainment-garth-brooks-petition-forged/

    contains a rte tweet.


    It was also in the Daily Mail today who were stopped from examining the public files when they went to Dublin City Council.


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0710/629717-garth-brooks/

    Ciaran Cuffe just confirms gardai asked him to confirm his objection.

    Maybe you would correct yourself now?


  • #117
    Godge
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    Kensington wrote: »
    Define "wider interests"..


    That is an easy one. The wider public interest for economic development, environmental protection, public infrastructure and social amenities beyond the narrow interests of those directly affected by the proposal.

    This public interest is too frequently ignored in Ireland.

    Kensington wrote: »
    As going by your logic, should a small group of midlands people hold the ESB to ransom over erecting pylons? .

    No, the pylon project should go ahead. Ludicrously, many of those objecting do so on the basis that the pylons will pass too near their houses but also the pylons are detrimental to the visual amenity for tourism purposes!!! The answer is either

    (1) They are talking rubbish
    (2) Their houses are also detrimental to the visual amenity (unless they are centuries old cottages) and should therefore be demolished.

    Kensington wrote: »

    Or Airtricity for erecting windfarms?.


    Again, people claim detrimental environmental effects from the windfarms - noise, visual etc. yet the continuing detrimental effects from burning coal are far higher.

    Kensington wrote: »
    After all, a stable and efficient electricity supply which is built and upgraded at the best value for money is in the "wider interest" of Ireland is it not?.

    Yes

    Kensington wrote: »
    I think a major international airport is in the "wider interests" of tourism in Ireland, let's go slap an airport in the midlands, land is cheap, it's in the centre of the island to every Irish city so the tourists are only at most two hours from any extremity on the island and sure there's loads of rolling green fields. What's it if a few people in the countryside get upset? It's in "the wider interest" you see....

    Just because you think an airport in the midlands is a good idea doesn't mean anyone else does.

    There are already too many airports in Ireland. The only possible expansions that make any economic sense are

    (1) another runway at Dublin Airport to make full use of the new overly expensive terminal
    (2) Baldonnel as a second airport for Dublin


    Kensington wrote: »
    But let's not stop there.
    Should a small island nation dictate to the UK what they can and cannot do in their nuclear power stations and waste treatment facilities?.

    International law comes into play unfortunately, otherwise you would have a point.

    Kensington wrote: »
    There's a lot more people living in the UK than on the island of Ireland after all? And effective treatment of nuclear waste is in the wider interest of the EU?.

    Again, the UK is a sovereign nation, nothing we can do, except through EU environmental law (which we have tried) and ineffectual lobbying (which we have also tried)
    Kensington wrote: »
    Then, who are we to tell the US Military they can't land their planes or carry or stow arms in or through Shannon airport.
    After all, they'd argue it's in the wider interest of the Western nations?.

    We do tell them whether or not they can land in Shannon. We give them full permission. What is your issue on this?

    Kensington wrote: »
    Thankfully, planning law and decision making doesn't work like that. Nor should it ever.

    If it worked the way you wanted it to, nothing would ever get done or built.


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    Permabear
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  • #119
    Ash.J.Williams
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    Godge wrote: »
    That is an easy one. The wider public interest for economic development, environmental protection, public infrastructure and social amenities beyond the narrow interests of those directly affected by the proposal.

    This public interest is too frequently ignored in Ireland.




    No, the pylon project should go ahead. Ludicrously, many of those objecting do so on the basis that the pylons will pass too near their houses but also the pylons are detrimental to the visual amenity for tourism purposes!!! The answer is either

    (1) They are talking rubbish
    (2) Their houses are also detrimental to the visual amenity (unless they are centuries old cottages) and should therefore be demolished.





    Again, people claim detrimental environmental effects from the windfarms - noise, visual etc. yet the continuing detrimental effects from burning coal are far higher.




    Yes




    Just because you think an airport in the midlands is a good idea doesn't mean anyone else does.

    There are already too many airports in Ireland. The only possible expansions that make any economic sense are

    (1) another runway at Dublin Airport to make full use of the new overly expensive terminal
    (2) Baldonnel as a second airport for Dublin





    International law comes into play unfortunately, otherwise you would have a point.




    Again, the UK is a sovereign nation, nothing we can do, except through EU environmental law (which we have tried) and ineffectual lobbying (which we have also tried)



    We do tell them whether or not they can land in Shannon. We give them full permission. What is your issue on this?




    If it worked the way you wanted it to, nothing would ever get done or built.
    Wind isn't cleaner than coal ....yet


  • #120
    Happyman42
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    Godge wrote: »
    Here is a direct quote from the article.

    "Mr Duff said he sought the money on Sunday while he was at a hurling match in Dublin. He refused to say who paid him but claimed it was people north and south of the border."

    Maybe Mr. Duff can sue the Indo if the article is untrue (seeing as he has the money for a court case).

    Where does he say 'he was afraid' to name who contributed?

    As I say, you got owned by the slant.


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  • #121
    Happyman42
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    Godge wrote: »
    http://southdublin.today.ie/2014/07/09/entertainment-garth-brooks-petition-forged/

    contains a rte tweet.


    It was also in the Daily Mail today who were stopped from examining the public files when they went to Dublin City Council.


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0710/629717-garth-brooks/

    Ciaran Cuffe just confirms gardai asked him to confirm his objection.

    Maybe you would correct yourself now?

    Today.ie by their own admission just gather news from other sources
    Today.ie is the one stop shop to find all your local news as it happens. We gather stories from a number of different sources

    Correct what exactly? That the Indo are as usual exaggerating to suit their own agenda here? I never claimed that their where no forgeries, my objection was to the slanting and bias in the 'reporting' of it.


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