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Kensington wrote: » Thankfully, planning law and decision making doesn't work like that. Nor should it ever.
heartseeker wrote: » This is a complete farce.Yet another example of the rich,powerful and influential trying to put maximum pressure and guilt on a Dublin City Council Manager for merely making a decision that he deemed fair and agreeable.This release of an email by Garth brooks and now the taoiseach wading in is clear example of media bias and government not knowing its place.How Enda Kenny can justify this after all the planning corruption cases shows a wilful ignorance of the law and lack of respect for fellow civil servants.Owen Keegan should be commended for not bowing to political and media pressure here and bullied into uturning from an initial fair proposal.What a moron country we live in when the head of state chooses something like this to excert his influence.Forget medical card debacle, homeless crisis, priory hall ,jobbridge scandal this is a political hotbed for Kenny.Absolute joke!
Ash.J.Williams wrote: » Is garth a psychopath?
oppenheimer1 wrote: » The reason it's a political hotbed and Kenny has gotten involved are simple, there were over 300,000 potential voters that care a lot about this issue. The reason Kenny and co don't give much attention to homeless, job bridge, priory hall etc issues are because the electorate doesn't really care about them. If 300,000 people lived in priory hall and it cost the exchequer nothing to fix the problem, it would have the highest priority.
Happyman42 wrote: » I have years of experience of the Indo making stuff up. I am instantly on guard when no other newspaper runs with it or reports on it themselves. It's a dead giveaway. If you want to slur somebody's charather which headline would you chose here,Resident was 'paid €15,000 to help his court case'Resident recieved €15,000 towards his court expenses both technically correct but one is designed to give the story a sinister slant. Appalling paper
Happyman42 wrote: » No, not everything, but I have learned that there are ways of spotting their tripe as I have outlined. Thankfully most people know bull when they read it.
donkeyoaty0099 wrote: » The concert not happening had no effect. I'd be worried that the taosieach pandering to a musician would affect it though.
Happyman42 wrote: » Show me an article from another newspaper that doesn't either directly quote the Indo story or other 'reports'. What has the Garda pres office said about it? Can you point to a source there that says a 'major investigation' is underway? If the Indo is making stuff up, invariably the sentence will begin with 'Sources say....' On here we ask people to name or link to the 'Sources' for their claims otherwise you get get called on it.
Kensington wrote: » Define "wider interests"..
Kensington wrote: » As going by your logic, should a small group of midlands people hold the ESB to ransom over erecting pylons? .
Kensington wrote: » Or Airtricity for erecting windfarms?.
Kensington wrote: » After all, a stable and efficient electricity supply which is built and upgraded at the best value for money is in the "wider interest" of Ireland is it not?.
Kensington wrote: » I think a major international airport is in the "wider interests" of tourism in Ireland, let's go slap an airport in the midlands, land is cheap, it's in the centre of the island to every Irish city so the tourists are only at most two hours from any extremity on the island and sure there's loads of rolling green fields. What's it if a few people in the countryside get upset? It's in "the wider interest" you see....
Kensington wrote: » But let's not stop there. Should a small island nation dictate to the UK what they can and cannot do in their nuclear power stations and waste treatment facilities?.
Kensington wrote: » There's a lot more people living in the UK than on the island of Ireland after all? And effective treatment of nuclear waste is in the wider interest of the EU?.
Kensington wrote: » Then, who are we to tell the US Military they can't land their planes or carry or stow arms in or through Shannon airport. After all, they'd argue it's in the wider interest of the Western nations?.
Godge wrote: » That is an easy one. The wider public interest for economic development, environmental protection, public infrastructure and social amenities beyond the narrow interests of those directly affected by the proposal. This public interest is too frequently ignored in Ireland. No, the pylon project should go ahead. Ludicrously, many of those objecting do so on the basis that the pylons will pass too near their houses but also the pylons are detrimental to the visual amenity for tourism purposes!!! The answer is either (1) They are talking rubbish (2) Their houses are also detrimental to the visual amenity (unless they are centuries old cottages) and should therefore be demolished. Again, people claim detrimental environmental effects from the windfarms - noise, visual etc. yet the continuing detrimental effects from burning coal are far higher. Yes Just because you think an airport in the midlands is a good idea doesn't mean anyone else does. There are already too many airports in Ireland. The only possible expansions that make any economic sense are (1) another runway at Dublin Airport to make full use of the new overly expensive terminal (2) Baldonnel as a second airport for Dublin International law comes into play unfortunately, otherwise you would have a point. Again, the UK is a sovereign nation, nothing we can do, except through EU environmental law (which we have tried) and ineffectual lobbying (which we have also tried) We do tell them whether or not they can land in Shannon. We give them full permission. What is your issue on this? If it worked the way you wanted it to, nothing would ever get done or built.
Godge wrote: » Here is a direct quote from the article. "Mr Duff said he sought the money on Sunday while he was at a hurling match in Dublin. He refused to say who paid him but claimed it was people north and south of the border." Maybe Mr. Duff can sue the Indo if the article is untrue (seeing as he has the money for a court case).
Godge wrote: » http://southdublin.today.ie/2014/07/09/entertainment-garth-brooks-petition-forged/ contains a rte tweet. It was also in the Daily Mail today who were stopped from examining the public files when they went to Dublin City Council.http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0710/629717-garth-brooks/ Ciaran Cuffe just confirms gardai asked him to confirm his objection. Maybe you would correct yourself now?
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