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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

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  • #6302
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    I wonder if di Maria would be a replacement for Rooney, who would be sold.

    Keep Hernandez and we have Wilson. Vidal is a goalscorer as is Mata and di Maria too who is an assist wizard.
    De Gea
    Rafael---Hummels--Evans---Shaw
    Defensive midfielder
    Vidal
    Herrera---
    ----di Maria
    Mata
    RVP

    Vidal and Herrera would be the work horses. Yes, lots of assumptions in the line up and formation which would be a 4-3-3, just a bit more fluid.


    Rooney doesn't fit in unless the formation is a 4-3-1-2. Of course mt team and formation makes a lot of assumptions. There would be a lot of movement wit

    Kroos was not wanted by LVG as Herrera more suited according to http://www.squawka.com/news/trust-van-gaal-why-man-united-were-right-to-sign-ander-herrera-instead-of-bayerns-toni-kroos/134210

    Looking forward to the tour and seeing Herrera play.


  • #6303
    FutureGuy
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    MagicIRL wrote: »
    Don't turn into bangkok, don't turn ito bangkok...
    ToiletFusion wrote: »
    Bangkok is his guy

    Oh sh!t sorry, I meant "gut" not "guy".

    Epic spelling error.


  • #6304
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    One of Vidal, Di Maria and Hummels would be fantastic

    Can you imagine if we signed all 3 with no CL football


    2365388-4179374941-10_fu.gif


  • #6305
    brinty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Oh sh!t sorry, I meant "gut" not "guy".

    Epic spelling error.

    Phew thank god for that
    you'd me worried

    please tell us all these players we're not signing again............ ;)
    you said kroos, vidal, di maria and hummels didn't ye???

    and who's our guy that was flying the day we signed herrera and shaw, he was due to fly today, is he up in the air??


  • #6306
    Spazdarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    Toni Kroos was immense last night, and for only 25 million... That's peanuts for quality like that


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  • #6307
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    From reading shirt sale numbers, losing United is a massive blow to Nikes market share.

    AC Milan adidas 350k
    Inter Milan Nike 425k
    Juventus Nike 480k
    Arsenal Nike (going to Puma) 800k
    Liverpool Warrior 810k
    Bayern Munich adidas 880k
    Chelsea adidas 910k
    Barcelona Nike 1150k
    R.Madrid adidas 1400k
    Man United Nike (going to adidas) 1400k

    So, between losing Arsenal and United this summer and next summer they are losing 2.2million jersey sales, which is more than the total of their remaining share of the top 10. A big loss. Adidas will have (just going on the top 10) near 5million sales in comparison to Nikes 2.05million.

    Obviously Nike could use the money saved to go after some other teams. Liverpool's deal is new enough, Arsenal just moved from them to Puma, not a hope in hell they could get Bayern. Real Madrid and Chelsea the two targets, though I think Madrids deal runs to 2020, no idea about Chelseas deal.


  • #6308
    NoviGlitzko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭NoviGlitzko


    ToiletFusion wrote: »
    Toni Kroos was immense last night, and for only 25 million... That's peanuts for quality like that
    He's worth more than Vidal, yet we'll pay 60 plus presumably for him. Different circumstances and the fact that we need a player like Vidal more in our team are big counters, but it's still madness.


  • #6309
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    NoviGlitzko wrote: »
    He's worth more than Vidal, yet we'll pay 60 plus presumably for him. Different circumstances and the fact that we need a player like Vidal more in our team are big counters, but it's still madness.
    He'll cost less than Herrera, mind boggling we have seemingly picked Herrara over him.


  • #6310
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Obviously Nike could use the money saved to go after some other teams. Liverpool's deal is new enough, Arsenal just moved from them to Puma, not a hope in hell they could get Bayern. Real Madrid and Chelsea the two targets, though I think Madrids deal runs to 2020, no idea about Chelseas deal.

    Chelseas deal runs to 2023


  • #6311
    martinr5232
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭martinr5232


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Beautiful morning.

    And may I wish the Orangemen all the best this week.

    Its not the twelfth yet


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  • #6312
    Vic Vinegar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Vic Vinegar


    NoviGlitzko wrote: »
    He's worth more than Vidal, yet we'll pay 60 plus presumably for him. Different circumstances and the fact that we need a player like Vidal more in our team are big counters, but it's still madness.

    He's not worth more than Vidal. Kroos has one year left on his contract, that's why he's so cheap. Vidal's contract runs until 2017, that's why he'll cost a fortune.


  • #6313
    brinty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    He'll cost less than Herrera, mind boggling we have seemingly picked Herrara over him.

    In the Iron Tulip we believe
    All hail the czar of Aalkmaar


  • #6314
    xtal191
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,617 ✭✭✭xtal191


    Kroos prob never wanted to go to Utd anyway


  • #6315
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Would be absolutely stocked to see Hummels in our defence. Really, REALLY like him, and his newly refined hair and moustache.

    Hummels, Vidal, Di MAria, Shaw, Herrera would represent the biggest influx of talent in one summer that my relatively young 26 year old memory can recall.


    surely it couldn't....SURELY....SCHURLLE!


  • #6316
    Vic Vinegar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Vic Vinegar


    Louis van Gaal wants a squad of 20 players he can trust. There will be departures. (@AndyMitten) #MUFC

    The axe shall be wielded!


  • #6317
    joe316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭joe316


    I could be wrong but could the Nike pullout be related to the fact that they are the provider of the NFL gear and that cost a small fortune in 2012? And thats only going to increase from the 1.1 billion current deal?

    Just an opinion.


  • #6318
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Unless a player is a huge fan then when Madrid or Barca come calling they will chose them over United.


  • #6319
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    xtal191 wrote: »
    Kroos prob never wanted to go to Utd anyway

    It's the only explanation at this stage.

    He is far superior to Vidal and Herrera, albeit slightly different, you simply wouldn't pass up on him for that price, actually, any price.

    He is easily operating as one of the best midfielders in the world, the scary thing "easily". He's not even explosive or eye catching, but he is noticably controlling more and more games as he is getting older.

    Scary that his peak years are arguably ahead of him.

    Must just be he wants to go to Madrid, because I'm sure if we were interested we would have offered a significant signing on fee. In a case like this, probably similar to RVP, I'd imagine there was a cool couple of million provided as a singing on bonus.


  • #6320
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Their is a serious amount of deadwood and with no Europe it is the perfect time to shift some of it. Clear off the deadwood and give some youngsters more games and build back the squad next season for the Champions League.


  • #6321
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    I'm actually stupidly excited, aside form the fact Germany have always been my tournament team and I was euphoric last night, coupled with Kroos being amazing, and me and the Da landing a fortune with Klose becoming all time goalscorer, all this transfer talk and players exiting just has me excited.

    For anyone wanting laughs btw, MUFC twitter wished a happy birthday to Young, shockingly 29 today, and the comments are to be expected.
    Can we please refrain from giving him a cake so he can **** off elsewhere?


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  • #6322
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    TheDoc wrote: »
    It's the only explanation at this stage.

    He is far superior to Vidal and Herrera, albeit slightly different, you simply wouldn't pass up on him for that price, actually, any price.

    He is easily operating as one of the best midfielders in the world, the scary thing "easily". He's not even explosive or eye catching, but he is noticably controlling more and more games as he is getting older.

    Scary that his peak years are arguably ahead of him.

    Must just be he wants to go to Madrid, because I'm sure if we were interested we would have offered a significant signing on fee. In a case like this, probably similar to RVP, I'd imagine there was a cool couple of million provided as a singing on bonus.

    If you think Kroos is far superior to Vidal you have not seen Vidal play. He may be operating as one of the best midfielders in the world but Vidal is the best and it's not even close.


  • #6323
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,338 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    TheDoc wrote: »
    It's the only explanation at this stage.

    He is far superior to Vidal and Herrera, albeit slightly different, you simply wouldn't pass up on him for that price, actually, any price.

    He is easily operating as one of the best midfielders in the world, the scary thing "easily". He's not even explosive or eye catching, but he is noticably controlling more and more games as he is getting older.

    Scary that his peak years are arguably ahead of him.

    Must just be he wants to go to Madrid, because I'm sure if we were interested we would have offered a significant signing on fee. In a case like this, probably similar to RVP, I'd imagine there was a cool couple of million provided as a singing on bonus.

    I reckon we would of had a good chance had United CL football to offer.

    He is off to Madrid to win trophies in domestic and in Europe.

    Can't blame him for that.

    That's why I never bought this cooling off business in the way media portrayed.

    It was a case of we can't offer CL football so hard luck and onto next option.

    I love Kroos as much as any non United player but if we get Vidal it will make up for 80% of the disappointment.

    EVENFLOW



  • #6324
    Vic Vinegar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Vic Vinegar


    TheDoc wrote: »
    He is far superior to Vidal

    Nope. It's like comparing Keane to Scholes. Totally different.

    Vidal has everything in his locker. Kroos doesn't.


  • #6325
    markcahill1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭markcahill1985


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    I reckon we would of had a good chance had United CL football to offer.

    He is off to Madrid to win trophies in domestic and in Europe.

    Can't blame him for that.

    That's why I never bought this cooling off business in the way media portrayed.

    It was a case of we can't offer CL football so hard luck and onto next option.

    I love Kroos as much as any non United player but if we get Vidal it will make up for 80% of the disappointment.

    LVG apparantly didnt want the deal to happen, he has worked with Kroos in the past and there could be lingering issues there, I would think thats the main reason for pulling the plug, wouldnt read into it too much


  • #6326
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    xtal191 wrote: »
    Kroos prob never wanted to go to Utd anyway

    His brother Felix said they talked about Manchester United.

    "Yes, we have already spoken about it as Manchester United is my favourite club since I was a child," he explained to Sky Deutschland
    "Still I will not advise him (Toni Kroos) about anything in this respect.
    "He is very capable of making the decision on his own.
    "And there are definitely worse situations than to decide whether to stay on or leave a club like Bayern Munich."

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9196845/transfer-news-felix-kroos-says-his-brother-toni-has-talked-about-man-united

    Felix Kroos has good taste, it would be interesting if it was like Herrera and United had the deal basically done with Kroos ages ago and we get a surprise.
    There has been conflicting reports about Kroos - one is LVG didn't want him, the other is LVG contacted him in a bid to sign him.
    Though I think it will be Madrid but then Spanish papers are not the most reliable.


  • #6327
    Johner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,625 ✭✭✭✭Johner


    Bombleswizzum wrote: »
    Nope. It's like comparing Keane to Scholes. Totally different.

    Vidal has everything in his locker. Kroos doesn't.

    I think Vidal would be a better option for what United need right but there isn't a lot Kroos doesn't have in his locker.


  • #6328
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Johner wrote: »
    I think Vidal would be a better option for what United need right but there isn't a lot Kroos doesn't have in his locker.

    there are criticisms of his defensive contribution, tackling and positioning. Brilliant with the ball, not so hot without it. Not big issues for me (he does enough imo) but I have seen that criticism.


  • #6329
    Royal Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    Johner wrote: »
    I think Vidal would be a better option for what United need right but there isn't a lot Kroos doesn't have in his locker.

    He doesn't have many tattoo's and a fancy haircut like Vidal.

    If we signed Vidal, Carvalho, and a decent CB I'd get an erection.


  • #6330
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,763 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Bombleswizzum wrote: »
    The axe shall be wielded!

    Good, smaller numbers with higher quality is what's needed. Also leaves room for players like Wilson to develop at United.

    Getting fees in and wages off the books should help with recruiting quality this and in future summers.

    (if true,


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  • #6331
    Johner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,625 ✭✭✭✭Johner


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    there are criticisms of his defensive contribution, tackling and positioning. Brilliant with the ball, not so hot without it. Not big issues for me (he does enough imo) but I have seen that criticism.

    That's why I think Van Gaal would prefer Vidal over Kroos, I do think Kroos is good at getting back, tackling etc and is a very complete midfielder but Vidal definitely has the edge on him in the defensive side of the game. I think Vidal is just exactly what United need right now.


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