Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

Ferris_Bueller · 08-07-2014 06:18PM

I'd personally prefer Di Maria than Sanchez or at least consider him on a par, would love to see Liverpool go all out and get him but can't see it happening. Realistically if Real Madrid want rid of him he is going to leave, and there are only so many clubs who could take him. Would probably be more likely to go to someone like Juventus or PSG before us though.

Fescue · 08-07-2014 06:21PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

I'd personally prefer Di Maria than Sanchez or at least consider him on a par, would love to see Liverpool go all out and get him but can't see it happening. Realistically if Real Madrid want rid of him he is going to leave, and there are only so many clubs who could take him. Would probably be more likely to go to someone like Juventus or PSG before us though.

If Di Maria is available I think you'll see clubs like Utd, Bayern, Chelsea, City, PSG making a move, unfortunately for us. But you never know so put in a big offer and see if others are willing to match it.

Gbear · 08-07-2014 06:24PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

I'd personally prefer Di Maria than Sanchez or at least consider him on a par, would love to see Liverpool go all out and get him but can't see it happening. Realistically if Real Madrid want rid of him he is going to leave, and there are only so many clubs who could take him. Would probably be more likely to go to someone like Juventus or PSG before us though.

He wouldn't replace the goals directly but you could see him bringing even more out of Sterling, Henderson and all our other pacy players, not to mention becoming Sturridge's favourite person in the world.

I'd eat my hat if we signed him though. He's not getting booted out of Madrid because he's not good enough.

Hotfail.com · 08-07-2014 06:31PM

Fescue wrote: »

If Di Maria is available I think you'll see clubs like Utd, Bayern, Chelsea, City, PSG making a move, unfortunately for us. But you never know so put in a big offer and see if others are willing to match it.

Why would you put UTD in the same bracket as the rest of them? I'd imagine UTD are just as unattractive this year as we were a few years ago when we weren't doing so well, albeit they've a far more attractive manager than Dalglish/Hodgson were. I could see them to the other teams but I doubt United would have the same pull as the rest of them.

Fescue · 08-07-2014 06:32PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Why would you put UTD in the same bracket as the rest of them? I'd imagine UTD are just as unattractive this year as we were a few years ago when we weren't doing so well, albeit they've a far more attractive manager than Dalglish/Hodgson were.

Lets not kid ourselves, they are a massive club. Plus they have the financial means to compete with most others.

Hotfail.com · 08-07-2014 06:33PM

Fescue wrote: »

Lets not kid ourselves, they are a massive club. Plus they have the financial means to compete with most others.

I dunno, I just think players look more at the current situation than past achievements. Inter for example would have been a massive club a few years ago but now they can't attract anyone too big.

Agent Coulson · 08-07-2014 06:34PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Why would you put UTD in the same bracket as the rest of them? I'd imagine UTD are just as unattractive this year as we were a few years ago when we weren't doing so well, albeit they've a far more attractive manager than Dalglish/Hodgson were.

There not really one year out of the CL is nothing a new manager who is in the World Cup semi final and they can offer huge wages would still be a huge draw for players.

Agent Coulson · 08-07-2014 06:37PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

I dunno, I just think players look more at the current situation than past achievements. Inter for example would have been a massive club a few years ago but now they can't attract anyone too big.

Inter can't offer 150k/200k wages a week Utd can.

bad2dabone · 08-07-2014 06:39PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

I dunno, I just think players look more at the current situation than past achievements. Inter for example would have been a massive club a few years ago but now they can't attract anyone too big.

Current situation is that they're offering huge wages, they've got a world renowned coach, some world renowned players, and have some first team places up for grabs.
Like it or not, one season out of the CL will not cause United to regress to the level you're thinking of.
They ****ed up last season but they've invested heavily to make sure the champions league exile doesn't last.

Hotfail.com · 08-07-2014 06:44PM

Probably just wishful thinking on my part :rolleyes: I still have high hopes for their financial meltdown though! :pac:

magma69 · 08-07-2014 06:48PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

There not really one year out of the CL is nothing a new manager who is in the World Cup semi final and they can offer huge wages would still be a huge draw for players.

For the most part, Champions League football is a convenient excuse used by players to move to a club to get higher wages. Look at the players that went to play in France (a mickey mouse league in comparison to Spain/England/Germany).

Wages are the defining factor in getting players and United seem to be willing to cough up, meaning they can land almost anyone.

redbaron_99 · 08-07-2014 07:05PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Probably just wishful thinking on my part :rolleyes: I still have high hopes for their financial meltdown though! :pac:

The Chevrolet sponsorship is worth £50 million per year. (£350 over 7 years) The new kit deal is rumoured to be worth £75 million per year (£750 over 10 years).
This on top of profits of £146.4 million in 2013, which is expected to rise in 2014.

I think you are writing United's obituary a little too soon.

Hotfail.com · 08-07-2014 07:10PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

The Chevrolet sponsorship is worth £50 million per year. (£350 over 7 years) The new kit deal is rumoured to be worth £75 million per year (£750 over 10 years).
This on top of profits of £146.4 million in 2013, which is expected to rise in 2014.

I think you are writing United's obituary a little too soon.

Shhh! I like this little bubble, please don't burst it

Morzadec · 08-07-2014 07:10PM

Gbear wrote: »

I dunno about much better, but certainly on a par.
I don't know what the actual stats are but my impression is that Sanchez is a better dribbler (which is an aspect of play we've obviously lost with Suarez) but he's slower and a worse finisher.

But I don't think Barca want to sell Pedro (obviously with good reason).

Di Maria would be a great signing. He's proven he has what it takes for Real season after season and they keep on buying players. Don't know why they don't just trust him. He wouldn't replace the goals but he's an absolute assist machine.

He's a bit of a git, but at least he doesn't bite people.

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

I'd personally prefer Di Maria than Sanchez or at least consider him on a par, would love to see Liverpool go all out and get him but can't see it happening. Realistically if Real Madrid want rid of him he is going to leave, and there are only so many clubs who could take him. Would probably be more likely to go to someone like Juventus or PSG before us though.

I just think they're slightly different players. Both would probably be most at home in one of the wide slots of a 4-3-3, but I don't think that makes them totally comparable. They're both world class, and getting either would be a phenomenal coup for the club.

But as I said, I think they are a bit differently positionally and style-wise, and for this reason, with Suarez going, push come to shove I would prefer Sanchez.

If I had to put them into a 'midfielder' or 'forward' bracket, I would put Di Maria in the former and Sanchez into the latter. (A bit like I would with Coutinho and Sterling, despite them often vying for/playing the same position)

Sanchez scores more goals. He likes to run in behind and has the pace to do it.

Di Maria is a bit more 'classy', maybe has better vision and would have the technical ability and intelligence to feel really comfortable playing a little deeper - would have no problem functioning in the '2' of the 1-2 midfield imo. Sanchez couldn't play here.

And Sanchez would have no problem functioning in the front 2 alongside Sturridge if so needed. Di Maria wouldn't be too effective in this role.

So for this reason, with Suarez on his way out, I would love Sanchez as I'm sure he'd bring a good deal of goals to the table. I totally understand those who think Di Maria is a better player (maybe he is), and if he was available I'd love it if we were in for him, but Sanchez would be my pick of the 2.

We're not going to get either though

Fescue · 08-07-2014 07:11PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

The Chevrolet sponsorship is worth £50 million per year. (£350 over 7 years) The new kit deal is rumoured to be worth £75 million per year (£750 over 10 years).
This on top of profits of £146.4 million in 2013, which is expected to rise in 2014.

I think you are writing United's obituary a little too soon.

The majority of that will go to service the clubs debt to be fair.

woodyg · 08-07-2014 07:12PM

this will go down like a tone of bricks but i actually would tip Utd for the league next season.
i honestly believe we will be battling Arsenal for 4th spot.

8-10 · 08-07-2014 07:14PM

woodyg wrote: »

this will go down like a tone of bricks but i actually would tip Utd for the league next season.
i honestly believe we will be battling Arsenal for 4th spot.

Can see it happening. Think Chelsea will be the team to beat though

Fescue · 08-07-2014 07:14PM

woodyg wrote: »

this will go down like a tone of bricks but i actually would tip Utd for the league next season.
i honestly believe we will be battling Arsenal for 4th spot.

I still think they have a long road back to the league. Especially with no quality centre backs as it stands.

Winning is a habit and once you lose it, it can be tough to get it back.

I do expect them to be fighting it out for a top four place though.

08-07-2014 07:18PM

Just spotted this on twitter... not sure if it's his real account but it gives more reason for disliking the guy :mad:

Guillem Balague @GuillemBalague · 1h
Been told Arsenal will pay less than 30m for Alexis. Lallana was 25. Fair valuation u think considering age, goal record, experience?
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bad2dabone · 08-07-2014 07:18PM

8-10 wrote: »

Can see it happening. Think Chelsea will be the team to beat though

Yep I think they'll romp to the title. City to be weaker this season. United to be back in the mix. I'm thinking us gooners and you pool fans will be resuming hostilities soon enough.

Rayne Wooney · 08-07-2014 07:20PM

woodyg wrote: »

this will go down like a tone of bricks but i actually would tip Utd for the league next season.
i honestly believe we will be battling Arsenal for 4th spot.

Doubt it, it's going to take time to sort out the club. United have been playing bad football for 3 or 4 seasons now, major rehab is needed on that front as we were running on the Fergie factor for too long.

I expect it will be United and Liverpool going for 4th with Chelsea, City and Arsenal going for the title.

Utopia Parkway · 08-07-2014 07:21PM

woodyg wrote: »

this will go down like a tone of bricks but i actually would tip Utd for the league next season.

Not with those defenders.

Hard to look past the usual Man City/Chelsea. Maybe Chelsea as I think City will be looking to make a big push in Europe.

redbaron_99 · 08-07-2014 07:23PM

Fescue wrote: »

The majority of that will go to service the clubs debt to be fair.

Sorry, but you're very far off the mark with that.

Fescue · 08-07-2014 07:25PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Sorry, but you're very far off the mark with that.

Since the Glazers took over...

In total, over £696m has gone towards interest fees, bank charges and debt repayment, with £382.9m invested in players – from the £2m signing of Edwin van der Sar a month after the takeover to the £37.1m club-record purchase of Juan Mata last month.

Lojak · 08-07-2014 07:25PM

0028673 wrote: »

Just spotted this on twitter... not sure if it's his real account but it gives more reason for disliking the guy :mad:

Guillem Balague @GuillemBalague · 1h
Been told Arsenal will pay less than 30m for Alexis. Lallana was 25. Fair valuation u think considering age, goal record, experience?
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Mans a spoofer if I ever saw one, cant understand how he has the standing he has.

Speak Now · 08-07-2014 07:26PM

Love the way Lallana's price is anything from 16 to 25 million.

redbaron_99 · 08-07-2014 07:29PM

Fescue wrote: »

Since the Glazers took over...

Yes, it's rather tragic and infuriating. But that amount has already been paid. As far as I can work out, there's about £360 million left to pay. Which is obviously not the majority of the earnings that are coming to the club with those two deals (£1.1 BILLION).

Just wanted to point out that that is not manchester united's debt. It's debt incurred by the Glazer "family". I just hope no other club has to endure such a thing. It's obscene.

liam7831 · 08-07-2014 07:34PM

0028673 wrote: »

Just spotted this on twitter... not sure if it's his real account but it gives more reason for disliking the guy :mad:

Guillem Balague @GuillemBalague · 1h
Been told Arsenal will pay less than 30m for Alexis. Lallana was 25. Fair valuation u think considering age, goal record, experience?
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Ya its his real account

daithijjj · 08-07-2014 07:36PM

"Riera is not a target of Liverpool, i believe he is a smokescreen for another player" - Guillem Balague

3 days later Riera signs and that quote deleted off Balague's website.

Lesson endeth.

smileyj1987 · 08-07-2014 07:39PM

Lojak wrote: »

Mans a spoofer if I ever saw one, cant understand how he has the standing he has.

I'm not going to lie but I know a good few people including myself who refer to him as ball b*g .

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