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No seatbelt, points & fine

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  • #32
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Jesus. wrote: »
    Aren't there more important things they could be doing, like catching real criminals? (Its a Cliche I know :o)
    No, they caught all the murderers and the illegal drug trade no longer exists.


  • #33
    TimeToShine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    Considering it's a motors forum the general attitude towards people getting robbed of what is a day's wages for some is ridiculous. The "I'm delighted for you" brigade need to feck off to another board.

    OP, I feel for you but it was a mistake. Pay it and move on.


  • #34
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,183 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    TimeToShine wrote: »
    Considering it's a motors forum the general attitude towards people getting robbed of what is a day's wages for some is ridiculous. The "I'm delighted for you" brigade need to feck off to another board.

    Considering it's such an easy fine to avoid I've no sympathy for someone who gets fined for no seat belt. If your seatbelt so restricts you while driving that you need to remove it to see then there are bigger issues with your driving abilities and if it doesn't restrict your movement then tough.


  • #35
    pippip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭pippip


    Unless I missed something, the op didn't put on their belt and pulled out of a parking spot onto a street. While on the street they drove by a garda who noticed they hadn't their belt on, probably didn't even see the op pull out of a parking spot. I don't think you can really blame the garda unless you want them to choose which laws they are to enforce and ignore.

    Sorry op, just seems you were unfortunate in this case.


  • #36
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    cormac_byrne wrote: »
    Driving test examiner conducting a test
    Driving Instructor
    Member of An Garda Síochána or Defence Forces in the course of his/her duty
    I understood the other examples being exempt, as wearing a seatbelt is either impossible for the driver or not needed. I don't understand the above examples.


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  • #37
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    Why do the Mods keep deleting people's posts without informing them? Especially posts with no bad language whatsoever and legitimate points being made?

    I don't get it :confused:


  • #38
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    No Pants wrote: »
    I understood the other examples being exempt, as wearing a seatbelt is either impossible for the driver or not needed. I don't understand the above examples.

    I know its standard practise for police forces to disable air bags and cut out in the event of a collision as well. And most close quarter protection units won't wear a belt in city traffic, the idea being you can get out quick. I'd imagine thats the rationale behind the Garda exemption.

    The only thing I can think about for instructors or tests is the ability to grab the wheel or take some emergency corrective action that would be limited by a belt. Personally, if that was the case I'd rather have the belt on as your not going to have the time to react at any sort of speed.


  • #39
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,435 ✭✭✭markpb


    TimeToShine wrote: »
    Considering it's a motors forum the general attitude towards people getting robbed of what is a day's wages for some is ridiculous. The "I'm delighted for you" brigade need to feck off to another board.

    OP, I feel for you but it was a mistake. Pay it and move on.

    The OPs case isn't like someone who got points for being <5kph over the limit or someone who was dubiously clamped by private clampers. Putting on a seatbelt should be the first thing any driver does before they start their car. There's just no good reason not to and anyone who is foolish enough to trip over the black & white laws that are effortless to follow deserves no sympathy.

    I don't know what relevance this being the motors forum has. Do you think everyone here is an anarchist, a member of Hells Angels and the writer of **** Da Police?


  • #40
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    pippip wrote: »
    I don't think you can really blame the garda unless you want them to choose which laws they are to enforce and ignore.

    Seriously? You think everything's as black and white as that?

    No need for common sense in the Garda profession then, just a rule book and a yes or no?
    markpb wrote: »
    I don't know what relevance this being the motors forum has. Do you think everyone here is an anarchist, a member of Hells Angels and the writer of **** Da Police?

    Its relevant in my opinion. I'm still amazed that a Motors Forum could be populated with so many "squares" who just want their fellow motorists to be stung by the authorities as often as possible. The great and good Government and its police force can do no wrong.

    I find it bizarre for a Forum such as this.


  • #41
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,435 ✭✭✭markpb


    Jesus. wrote: »
    Seriously? You think everything's as black and white as that?

    No need for common sense in the Garda profession then, just a rule book and a yes or no?

    There are plenty of rules that can, and are, applied with Garda discretion. Not wearing a seatbelt is harder one - you're either wearing on as required or you're not. What discretion could a Garda apply in this case?
    Its relevant in my opinion. I'm still amazed that a Motors Forum could be populated with so many "squares" who just want their fellow motorists to be stung by the authorities as often as possible. The great and good Government and its police force can do no wrong. I find it bizarre for a Forum such as this.

    I still don't see why. Motorists aren't a logical group like, say members of a lobby group or a political party - they're just people who drive to get from a to b or just for pleasure. There's no commonality, no conspiracy theory, nothing that binds us together. If you think everyone else who sits behind the wheel of a car cares about your personal opinions about the Gardai or the application of the law, you're sadly mistaken. We have no greater connection with or empathy towards other drivers than we do towards other people also wearing brown shoes today.


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  • #42
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    markpb wrote: »
    There are plenty of rules that can, and are, applied with Garda discretion. Not wearing a seatbelt is harder one - you're either wearing on as required or you're not. What discretion could a Garda apply in this case?

    Well its quite obvious to me. If you see a guy reversing out of a car park space without his seat belt on, leave him be as its likely he'll put it on when he gets out.

    If you see someone driving out on the open road without one on, its a more serious offence and by all means "do" him.



    (I use "serious offence" in the loosest possible terms because if you ask an average Guard, particularly in rough areas, where that ranks in the list of real sh*t they have to deal with regularly, they'd probably laugh at you.)


  • #43
    hrcbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭hrcbob


    pudzey101 wrote: »
    He is a well known hard guard that would do people for the smallest of things to be honest , just wrote it down in his notebook anyway never asked for my driving license :/ few people i know are still waiting for fines+points for things that happend months ago :)

    Been a while since i got an on the spot fine but back then they had a specific form they filled out with a tic box part for what youd done wrong, They kept 2 of the 3 coppies and gave me the one i needed to produce to pay the fine. Licence number and full name and address was filled in on it,

    Unlesss that has changed and they now issue stuff by post id say just forget about it and dont let him catch you again or he will do you for it,,
    Its just like a bit of a headf**k warning on his part id say,,


  • #44
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Jesus. wrote: »
    Its relevant in my opinion. I'm still amazed that a Motors Forum could be populated with so many "squares" who just want their fellow motorists to be stung by the authorities as often as possible. The great and good Government and its police force can do no wrong.

    I find it bizarre for a Forum such as this.

    There's plenty of rightful criticism for the gardaí on here where they're not up to scratch, but this isn't one of those times. As a motoring forum, I think we all want to see as little loss of life on the roads. Seatbelts save lives in accidents, and you're an absolute idiot if you don't wear one (ignoring exemptions).


  • #45
    markpb
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    Jesus. wrote: »
    Well its quite obvious to me. If you see a guy reversing out of a car park space without his seat belt on, leave him be as its likely he'll put it on when he gets out.

    What you've mentioned is legal, there's no need for discretion.


  • #46
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Del2005 wrote: »
    Considering it's such an easy fine to avoid I've no sympathy for someone who gets fined for no seat belt. If your seatbelt so restricts you while driving that you need to remove it to see then there are bigger issues with your driving abilities and if it doesn't restrict your movement then tough.

    Well, as a non-black and whiteey one - me and my mate pulled up to a checkpoint - he was driving, a paj jeep, the gard asked him for his licence, so he leaned over to the glovebox to get it, and the belt popped out of the receiver..it just feckin did, first time I saw that happen - the lad was wearing a big heavy wax jacket and it must have been tangled/whatever.

    Guess what, the Gard did him for no seatbelt. He said that the driver had just quickly popped it on as he came up to the checkpoint. Which he hadn't, as yer mans as square as a box of lego. He got a fine and points.

    If I hadn't been sitting there, and someone told me this, I'd laugh and tell them to stop spoofing. No amount of reasoning or explaining made a blind bit of difference on the day, the Gard was implacable.


  • #47
    No Pants
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    I know its standard practise for police forces to disable air bags and cut out in the event of a collision as well. And most close quarter protection units won't wear a belt in city traffic, the idea being you can get out quick. I'd imagine thats the rationale behind the Garda exemption.

    The only thing I can think about for instructors or tests is the ability to grab the wheel or take some emergency corrective action that would be limited by a belt. Personally, if that was the case I'd rather have the belt on as your not going to have the time to react at any sort of speed.
    Fair enough on the Garda reasoning, although it must be risky for the individual Gardai, given the job that they do and the increased chances of a collision, with no airbag and possibly no seat belt. There's no training you can attend that'll null the laws of physics.

    However, if an instructor or tester can't reach your steering wheel from the passenger seat, they must be a serious shortarse. I would have thought that the risk or collision was also higher for them, given the inexperience of the driver.


  • #48
    djimi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Jesus. wrote: »
    Its relevant in my opinion. I'm still amazed that a Motors Forum could be populated with so many "squares" who just want their fellow motorists to be stung by the authorities as often as possible. The great and good Government and its police force can do no wrong.

    I find it bizarre for a Forum such as this.

    I get the impression that you (and others) seem to feel that because this is a motors forum we should all be against motoring laws and enforecement or something, and honestly I have no idea where you get this idea from. Nobody wants to see people get stung as often as possible, however if you get done for breaking the law then so be it. We can all come on here and have a whinge about how ridiculous some motoring laws are, but the bottom line is that we all know the laws, so its hard to have sympathy for someone who has been done for breaking them.


  • #49
    Oafley Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    djimi wrote: »
    I get the impression that you (and others) seem to feel that because this is a motors forum we should all be against motoring laws and enforecement or something, and honestly I have no idea where you get this idea from. Nobody wants to see people get stung as often as possible, however if you get done for breaking the law then so be it. We can all come on here and have a whinge about how ridiculous some motoring laws are, but the bottom line is that we all know the laws, so its hard to have sympathy for someone who has been done for breaking them.

    Just read the thread and sure enough there's the usual gombeenism from the same people. I can see why people are quitting this forum.


  • #50
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    djimi wrote: »
    I get the impression that you (and others) seem to feel that because this is a motors forum we should all be against motoring laws and enforecement or something, and honestly I have no idea where you get this idea from. Nobody wants to see people get stung as often as possible, however if you get done for breaking the law then so be it. We can all come on here and have a whinge about how ridiculous some motoring laws are, but the bottom line is that we all know the laws, so its hard to have sympathy for someone who has been done for breaking them.

    No, of course I don't. What I'm very surprised at is no matter what the situation is, no matter how innocent, the default position of a lot of posters is automatically with the authorities instead of their fellow motorists. I can't quite understand that mentality to be honest.

    Again, you're describing things in very simplistic terms. The laws are the laws and they should never be broken. Its a ridiculous notion that has no relevance in the real World. There are countless situations that I see every week where technically, according to the rule book, the person would be breaking a law but in reality its either inconsequential or actually a practical necessity. What's more, if I was a fly on the dash of one of the HHB's cars, they'd technically "break the law" at least once a day. But they then come on here and act all high and mighty like perfect, docile little citizens. Its amusing to read at times.

    Forgive me if I thought the one place Motorists would have a bit of empathy toward one another would be on a Motorists Forum!


  • #51
    Kimbot
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    pudzey101 wrote: »
    got pulled yesterday (had my belt on at this stage) and the guard said he saw me 5mins beforehand with no belt, said il be gettin a 60e fine an 2 points , where do i stand here or will i just have to take it on the chin ???

    OK all the people whinging on the thread, the OP clearly stated that he had he belt on when the Guard actually pulled him. He didnt state when he actually put his belt on, for all we know it could have been as the guard walked towards the car when pulling him. I think the OP needs to shed some more light on it tbh.


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  • #52
    pippip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭pippip


    Jesus. wrote: »
    No, of course I don't. What I'm very surprised at is no matter what the situation is, no matter how innocent, the default position of a lot of posters is automatically with the authorities instead of their fellow motorists. I can't quite understand that mentality to be honest.

    Again, you're describing things in very simplistic terms. The laws are the laws and they should never be broken. Its a ridiculous notion that has no relevance in the real World. There are countless situations that I see every week where technically, according to the rule book, the person would be breaking a law but in reality its either inconsequential or actually a practical necessity. What's more, if I was a fly on the dash of one of the HHB's cars, they'd technically "break the law" at least once a day. But they then come on here and act all high and mighty like perfect, docile little citizens. Its amusing to read at times.

    Forgive me if I thought the one place Motorists would have a bit of empathy toward one another would be on a Motorists Forum!

    Alot of us probably agree with you on the above statement. However in this particular case, given the vague details from the op, I'm afraid we side with the garda as the op admits they didn't have their belt on. On many other threads here we'd be on the op side, like the mobile phone case the other week.


  • #53
    No Pants
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    Oafley Jones wrote: »
    Just read the thread and sure enough there's the usual gombeenism from the same people. I can see why people are quitting this forum.
    The term "high horse" being used in every third thread?


  • #54
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Jesus. wrote: »
    Forgive me if I thought the one place Motorists would have a bit of empathy toward one another would be on a Motorists Forum!

    Quite the opposite tbh. Because a lot of the people on here would consider themselves motoring enthusiasts, they should rightly be held to a higher standard than average joe by their peers.


  • #55
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    challengemaster wrote: »
    Quite the opposite tbh. Because a lot of the people on here would consider themselves motoring enthusiasts, they should rightly be held to a higher standard than average joe by their peers.

    I missed that aspect of the forum. Obviously my bad. I thought it was all about choosing what new prius/econobox to buy next and arguing over the names of lanes/legal point scoring and improving fuel economy/reducing their motoring spend.

    Most motoring enthusiasts I know irl consider it their moral duty to turn as much fuel as possible into noise and smoke and hang onto their licence in the face of a hostile world. But that's just my narrow take on it.

    As a motorist, I kinda LOL at seeing a gard, (who doesn't have to wear a seatbelt) putting down their phone to pull someone in for driving without a seatbelt or using their phone...because, as we all know, gards never crash, almost ever and it is perfectly safe for them to do all the bad, bad things we do..although the compounds full of wrecked cop cars kinda tell another story..


  • #56
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    As a motorist, I kinda LOL at seeing a gard, (who doesn't have to wear a seatbelt) putting down their phone to pull someone in for driving without a seatbelt or using their phone...because, as we all know, gards never crash, almost ever and it is perfectly safe for them to do all the bad, bad things we do..although the compounds full of wrecked cop cars kinda tell another story..
    That's the bit that gets me too. Whatever extra training you might get, a few hours with an instructor on a driving circuit somewhere, it's not going to make a Guard's brain function differently or stop the laws of physics from impaling him on the steering column.

    Not sure if I read it here or in another thread, but their airbags are disabled? I understand their reasoning, but that sounds nuts to me.


  • #57
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    No Pants wrote: »
    That's the bit that gets me too. Whatever extra training you might get, a few hours with an instructor on a driving circuit somewhere, it's not going to make a Guard's brain function differently or stop the laws of physics from impaling him on the steering column.

    Not sure if I read it here or in another thread, but their airbags are disabled? I understand their reasoning, but that sounds nuts to me.

    They're not. Have a goo at some of their clangers - it's white powder and nylon central. Their bags go boom same as normal mortals.


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