Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

VinLieger · 08-07-2014 08:30AM

ekimiam wrote: »

just heard on morning ireland that a newspaper is reporting that about 100 letters sent to DCC about the gigs were forged! interesting spanner to get thrown in

Yup not surprising considering the other claims that this was all instigated by a minority of the residents, would be curious how many also agree with the court injunction which is just them wanting their cake and eating it too.

italodisco · 08-07-2014 08:32AM

All it takes are a handfull of objections so no bother

Either way the injunction will take care of the whole thing so don't worry !!

Xx

HereToHere · 08-07-2014 08:35AM

Someone was saying that the residents action group is lead by a Tipp man who lives in Castleknock, is this true? And if it is how did he get involved, sounds like someone with a massive chip on his shoulder against the GAA rather than being concerned about the residents?

timetogo · 08-07-2014 08:42AM

This is a cluster **** from every angle.
GAA, Garth with his ultimatum, DCC, certain TDs spotting a popular bandwagon to jump on & the residents. All of them seem to be working to make sure the worst possible outcome for anybody happens.
Why do the residents have multiple groups? How would the DCC & GAA work with multiple groups. You just get one set happy and the next comes along with different requirements.

cournioni · 08-07-2014 08:43AM

HereToHere wrote: »

Someone was saying that the residents action group is lead by a Tipp man who lives in Castleknock, is this true? And if it is how did he get involved, sounds like someone with a massive chip on his shoulder against the GAA rather than being concerned about the residents?

Yup, he was on Newstalk yesterday afternoon. Talking out of his hole through most of the interview. They would have been much better represented by somebody who actually lived in the area, he was just outraged for the sake of it from what I gathered.

Thoie · 08-07-2014 08:48AM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

I think you're missing my point. Both the GAA and DCC say that there's an agreement there for a max of 3 concerts a year. By allowing this 3 they're in contravention of their own agreements anyway despite cancelling 2 gigs to try to appease the residents.

People were screaming out for a "compromise" on the situation. Allowing 3 of the 5 concerts to go ahead, despite the agreement was the compromise. It was aimed at causing as little disruption to residents as possible (by keeping the weekend gigs), while trying not to disappoint too many of the concert goers (3/5 of the concert goers were appeased).

twowheelsonly wrote: »

In theory there was no need for any licencing process or decision to be made as they should have stepped in long before that.

What? You're saying DCC should have stepped in before the application was made? There are proper procedures to lodging formal applications. Announcing something on television isn't one of them.

It would have been highly inappropriate for DCC to start making decisions about something that hadn't been applied for, or contacting a company who may have been thinking about applying. That way lies brown envelopes, further distrust of the planning authorities, and gombeenism.

twowheelsonly wrote: »

On (kind of!) the same topic the whole licencing thing is a catch 22.
DCC or whatever relevant City/County Council cannot consider or issue the licence until all relevant info is submitted. This includes stage plans, stadium plans, traffic management, security, 1st Aid, emergency plans, Garda and Fire Officer consultations, staffing plans and probably a million more pieces of paper.
IMO this is all impossible to quantify without knowing what size crowd is expected. It's the chicken and the egg conundrum. Sell the tickets first and at least you know what size crowd etc to expect. Wait for the licence first, (submitting all the plans which costs a lot of money and involves contracting the artist) and pray that the gig sells. If there's massive demand do you put on a 2nd show? Does it need a new licence? If people object to one then they'll object to a 2nd one and so on. Do you seek the licence for 3 shows and drop one if they don't sell?
It's not quite as simple as 'get the licence first' as some people seem to think. Gigs would have to be planned 12 months in advance if not more. Todays big thing could be nobodies by tomorrow. At one stage JLS could have drawn 50,000 kids. 12 Months later they'd be lucky to fill a pub!!

Personally I think the system works well as it is. This is the first big failure of a system that has worked well for years. It's a pretty spectacular one but I don't think it justifies massive changes.

The GAA should be able to provide 99% of that paperwork at a moment's notice, regardless of who is playing. They have an 80,000 seater sports stadium, that has been used for concerts in the past, and they already know how many first aiders, security staff etc they'll need for that size crowd. They know where the emergency exits are, they know the evacuation plans. They know the traffic management plans. About the only things that are unique to each act are the stage plans, and things like pyrotechnics.

OldGoat · 08-07-2014 08:50AM

Aiken kicks the ball back to DCC's end of the pitch.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/promoter-hits-back-at-dublin-city-council-over-handling-of-brooks-licence-635649.html

I can see only two clear options at this point, follow the law or follow the money.
Following the money at the expense of our law will ruin our reputation as a country far more than disallowing two out of the five gigs.

Umaro · 08-07-2014 08:57AM

HereToHere wrote: »

Someone was saying that the residents action group is lead by a Tipp man who lives in Castleknock, is this true? And if it is how did he get involved, sounds like someone with a massive chip on his shoulder against the GAA rather than being concerned about the residents?

Someone was saying that Garth Brooks lives in Oklahoma, USA, is this true? How did he end up playing in Croke Park? He's not an Irish sport. Must have a massive chip on his shoulder.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 08-07-2014 09:00AM

Umaro wrote: »

Someone was saying that Garth Brooks lives in Oklahoma, USA, is this true? How did he end up playing in Croke Park? He's not an Irish sport. Must have a massive chip on his shoulder.

Unless Garth is claiming to represent an Irish sport that makes no sense

B0jangles · 08-07-2014 09:03AM

So Peter Aiken is currently flying to the U.S. to beg an audience with His Holiness Saint Garth:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/concert-promoter-aiken-flies-to-us-in-last-ditch-attempt-to-save-garth-brooks-concerts-30414612.html

Kieran Mulvey wrote:

Mr Mulvey said an official or dignitary in Ireland should make a public statement to Garth Brooks to tell him formally that he’s welcome to do three more concerts in Ireland, even in a year’s time, if he wishes to.

“He’s going to announce a world tour. It would be useful if the Lord Mayor made a statement to say to Garth Brooks that he is welcome to the country for three more concerts.”

Mr. Mulvey thinks we as a nation should totally pander to Mr. Brooks grossly inflated ego.

cournioni · 08-07-2014 09:05AM

Umaro wrote: »

Someone was saying that Garth Brooks lives in Oklahoma, USA, is this true? How did he end up playing in Croke Park? He's not an Irish sport. Must have a massive chip on his shoulder.

One of the worst comparisons I've seen in my 13 years on boards.

Steam Roller · 08-07-2014 09:07AM

Steam Roller wrote: »

Been snooping on the facebook page of the residents in favour of the concerts.

That Duff fella who lodged the injunction application doesnt live in the area. Can that be thrown out?

And some very very small hope. Its unconfirmed report but I dont know where they got their information from but the ship in Europe has left for Dublin. Will three go ahead?

This ship being sent to Dublin last night must have been rubbish. The post have been removed from that facebook page. People are watching it and reporting it. Giving false hope.

Its 5 or nothing. I dont GB will back down.

And reading the above post with Aiken going to the USA to persude GB, he wouldn't be doing it if the ship is on its way to Dublin.

Nothing at all. GB wont back down. I'll bet on that.

B0jangles · 08-07-2014 09:15AM

OldGoat wrote: »

Aiken kicks the ball back to DCC's end of the pitch.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/promoter-hits-back-at-dublin-city-council-over-handling-of-brooks-licence-635649.html

I can see only two clear options at this point, follow the law or follow the money.
Following the money at the expense of our law will ruin our reputation as a country far more than disallowing two out of the five gigs.

I don't know, this bit -

"Aiken Promotions also jumps to Garth Brooks defence - saying his response to the three-day licence was "not an all-or-nothing ultimatum, but an expression of genuine concern for his fans".It claims the country star has been misrepresented as a person and as an artist, something Aiken Promotions describes as "scandalous"."

Suggests trying to make it possible for him to agree to three concerts without having to make a humiliating climbdown, same with the emergency flight to the U.S. - all drama to make Brooks look like being a big guy with a heart of gold: "Aw shucks Pete, I'll do it... FOR THE FANS!"

keith16 · 08-07-2014 09:15AM

OldGoat wrote: »

I can see only two clear options at this point, follow the law or follow the money.

Umaro · 08-07-2014 09:21AM

cournioni wrote: »

One of the worst comparisons I've seen in my 13 years on boards.

Woosh.

cournioni · 08-07-2014 09:24AM

Umaro wrote: »

Woosh.

Woosh yourself.

ThisRegard · 08-07-2014 09:30AM

Gergiev wrote: »

Technical point, JR - it's not strictly an 'emergency' until Pat Rabbitte breathlessly informs us 'it will rock the state to its very foundations'...

Well the token lord mayor of Dublin said this morning that it's now a tsunami. A tsunami of what I'm not quite sure. Does that count ?

VinLieger · 08-07-2014 09:33AM

Umaro wrote: »

Woosh.

Whatever, that was a fvcking awful comparison and not clever in the slightest

Red Nissan · 08-07-2014 09:34AM

Seeing that the City Manager took the objections into account, and seeing as SOME of the myriad of resident representatives have withdrawn their protest and given the alleged forged letters of objection ......

Go on then. Riddle it.

ThisRegard · 08-07-2014 09:34AM

ekimiam wrote: »

just heard on morning ireland that a newspaper is reporting that about 100 letters sent to DCC about the gigs were forged! interesting spanner to get thrown in

Allegedly forged. But it doesn't really matter if the 'ojections' were valid anyway as a a planning decision is based on a point of law/rules or whatever, not by the number of people who object, although it may be a small factor.

B0jangles wrote: »

Mr. Mulvey thinks we as a nation should totally pander to Mr. Brooks grossly inflated ego.

That guy has annoyed me most in all this, he's supposed to be an 'independent' mediator but if you've been taking note of what he's been saying since the weekend he's clearly anything but that. Send a bloody envoy over !?

Umaro · 08-07-2014 09:37AM

cournioni wrote: »

Woosh yourself.

No, its most definitely woosh right over you.

The original post was an ad hominem attack on the chairman of one of the residents committees.

Someone was saying that the residents action group is lead by a Tipp man who lives in Castleknock, is this true? And if it is how did he get involved, sounds like someone with a massive chip on his shoulder against the GAA rather than being concerned about the residents?

As a chairman, he manages the functions of the organisation and ensures its running correctly. Where he's from, and where he lives, have little bearing on whether he should be allowed to do his job? "Sure he's from Tipp! What would he know. Probably has an axe to grind rabble rabble" is a really useless bit of rambling.

Such nonsense. By the same token, if someone were to say that Garth Brooks shouldn't play Croke Park because of where he's from and the fact that he isn't an Irish sport, it'd be equally irrelevant

beakerjoe · 08-07-2014 09:39AM

So is the this whole Garth Brooks thing dead in the water now.

First Up · 08-07-2014 09:39AM

I have no dog in this fight but the bit I don't understand is the insistence by the City Manager that the decision is irrevocable. Why?

The situation has been handled appallingly but there is pretty obvious scope for compromise. It sounds as if the City Manager is determined that no compromise can be found. He has a reputation for being pig-headed but why should he be allowed get away with that?

ekimiam · 08-07-2014 09:40AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Allegedly forged. But it doesn't really matter if the 'ojections' were valid anyway as a a planning decision is based on a point of law/rules or whatever, not by the number of people who object, although it may be a small factor.

of course the number is a factor. what waffle

and it will be interesting to know if DCC is cross referencing these application objections and leaving a clear paper trail.

jack presley · 08-07-2014 09:42AM

First Up wrote: »

I have no dog in this fight but the bit I don't understand is the insistence by the City Manager that the decision is irrevocable. Why?

Because it's the law.

First Up · 08-07-2014 09:45AM

jack presley wrote: »

Because it's the law.

So a statutory body has no power to re-visit its OWN decision?

What law is that?

Steam Roller · 08-07-2014 09:47AM

First Up wrote: »

I have no dog in this fight but the bit I don't understand is the insistence by the City Manager that the decision is irrevocable. Why?

The decision has been etched in stone.

jack presley · 08-07-2014 09:47AM

First Up wrote: »

So a statutory body has no power to re-visit its OWN decision?

What law is that?

I don't know. I'm only saying what he's been saying all along. If he was wrong, I'm sure he would have been pulled up on it by this stage.

ThisRegard · 08-07-2014 09:51AM

ekimiam wrote: »

of course the number is a factor. what waffle

and it will be interesting to know if DCC is cross referencing these application objections and leaving a clear paper trail.

Go on, explain where I've waffled ?

First Up wrote: »

I have no dog in this fight but the bit I don't understand is the insistence by the City Manager that the decision is irrevocable. Why?

Simply because he can't.

Red Nissan · 08-07-2014 09:51AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

So is the this whole Garth Brooks thing dead in the water now.

Not at all.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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