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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    We might have new laws tomorrow. The decision may be removed from the DCC, so they won't have to revoke anything.

    You're just making things up at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    This post has been deleted.
    An independant TD raised the question of the license in the Dáil some weeks back and the Minister deferred to the City Manager saying that is was not a ministerial issue. If I find the link again I'll update.

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Yellowblackbird


    This post has been deleted.

    Your face is unconstituitional.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Okay...cheers for that clarification.

    He is still waiting to see what effect his threat has though imo.

    A lot has happened today. Link already in the thread preceding this.

    Garth does not make his statement toady. This statement was to include his decision on the Irish Question, ie Croke Park. He will now have a statement on Thursday.

    "Residents" call off their protest against the concerts, later modified to there being no need to protest as the extra concerts are cancelled. It emerges that there are at least seven different and un-united"resident" Groups.

    The Government announced initiating emergency legislation to fastrack planning and relieve the Garth Brooks situation. If implemented it removes the decision from DCC.

    A resident has filed a legal injunction to stop all five concerts and is served today.

    I know I'm missing something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Mr.S wrote: »

    It makes no sense to not play the 3 gigs he's allowed to do, the excuse for not moving the gigs is that the production is all unique for Croke Park, so time and a lot of money has already been put in on this, what a waste to literally throw it all away.


    There is a whiff of a porkie in that too. It would be the first European tour I have heard of where the set is unique to one venue. They are always designed to be interchangable with each space, makes no logistical sense to do it any other way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭conor-mr2


    K4t wrote: »
    Quoted for sense.

    Indeed. Probably the best post in here thus far.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    "Residents" call off their protest against the concerts, later modified to there being no need to protest as the extra concerts are cancelled. ....,

    I know I'm missing something.

    Reality?

    They were cancelled because the decision was made, there was no alterations of anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 829 ✭✭✭smellmepower


    exactly, anti-car types have no place making decisians for our capital city

    Public transport and less environmentally damaging modes of transport (cycling) deserve priority in the city centre,as the place is a traffic choked shambles currently.Rather Keegan over some idiot like Vradkar or one of the culchie 'yes man' government types who have never had to cycle or get the bus into the city centre daily,making decisions about things they know nothing about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    The Government announced initiating emergency legislation to fastrack planning and relieve the Garth Brooks situation. If implemented it removes the decision from DCC.

    Link me to a source for this please?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    K4t wrote: »
    Just curious, would you prefer a cabinet of top bankers and ceo's whose main priority would be maximisation of profits in all areas of government?

    Not really. I was only pointing out that just because you're elected by the public, doesn't mean you'll have a clue of what you're supposed to be doing.

    Councillors have very little remit in reality and I'd like it stay like that. Let them decide which area gets a new flower bed or whatever but leave decisions like planning, licensing etc. to the experts please.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    OldGoat wrote: »
    An independant TD raised the question of the license in the Dáil some weeks back and the Minister deferred to the City Manager saying that is was not a ministerial issue. If I find the link again I'll update.


    Thursday 10th Apr 2014
    [Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan: Information on Maureen O'Sullivan Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan] There is also the issue of the licence, although I know this is a local government matter. Under what sort of system are tickets sold for a concert before a licence is granted, as it does not seem to make sense? This is not sour grapes on the part of people who live there and we should put ourselves in their position. Some people bought their houses in the area when Croke Park had a capacity of 45,000 or 50,000. They are now living beside a stadium with a capacity of 83,000 and although it is magnificent, it is a venue for concerts and other events. One must come to the conclusion that this is pure profit making and greed on behalf of the corporate entity of Croke Park.

    Deputy Phil Hogan: Information on Phil Hogan Zoom on Phil Hogan I thank the Deputy for raising this matter which is the subject of much media attention. As she may be aware, An Bord Pleanála granted planning permission for the redevelopment of Croke Park stadium on 9 March 1993. Condition No. 11 attached to the planning permission allows for the holding of three special events such as concerts in the stadium each calendar year, subject to the approval of an event management plan which must be submitted by way of compliance submission to the planning department of Dublin City Council. Any additional event proposed to be held in Croke Park in excess of the three events permitted per calendar year must be approved by way of a public event licence application to Dublin City Council under the provisions of section 230 of the Planning and Development Act 2000, as amended. Any application under these provisions which can be for one or more events must be submitted at least ten weeks prior to the date of the first event.

    The pop group One Direction is holding three concerts in Croke Park on successive days between 23 and 25 May and it is my understanding these concerts are taking place under the terms of condition No. 11 attached to the 1993 planning permission granted by An Bord Pleanála. It is also my understanding approval of the event management plan for these concerts will be issued by Dublin City Council next week. The five concerts to be undertaken by Garth Brooks on successive dates at the end of July are required to be separately approved by means of obtaining a public event licence under the terms of section 230 of the Planning and Development Act. In this regard, Dublin City Council has not received an application for a public event licence for these concerts to date. However, as I have indicated, event organisers have until ten weeks prior to the date of the first concert to submit an application for a public event licence.

    Under the public event licensing provisions contained in section 230 of the Planning and Development Act 2000, any third party can make observations on the application within five weeks of the date of lodgement of the public event licence application with the relevant authority. With regard to the proposed five Garth Brooks concerts at the end of July, it will be a matter for Dublin City Council to assess the application for the public event licence when it is received, taking account of third party observations. It will, of course, be open to residents in the vicinity of the Croke Park stadium to submit written observations to Dublin City Council during the period open for the submission of such observations.

    Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan: Information on Maureen O'Sullivan Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan I thank the Minister for the answer and have absolutely no doubt many of the residents will make submissions. The point is that the problem could have been pre-empted if a different system had been in place under which a licence would be applied for first and conditions could be attached. There could also be better relations between the parties running Croke Park stadium and residents. Those running Croke Park stadium could take on board the genuine grievances and issues of residents. Those running Croke Park stadium are in receipt of considerable Government funding and surely there is a way by which they could be answerable to the Government on the matter. Is the Minister stating there is absolutely no role for him in this matter? Nobody wants to see what is happening. I recently attended a community meeting at which much anger was expressed because this is another stage in the difficult relationship between the people running Croke Park stadium and residents. It would be good to have another move towards bringing about a resolution. This will require more pressure and another intervention in order that those running Croke Park stadium will participate in taking a common-sense approach and take on board what is happening in the surrounding area.

    Deputy Phil Hogan: Information on Phil Hogan Zoom on Phil Hogan I hope the Deputy knows that, according to planning legislation, I am the only person in the House who cannot intervene in the planning process. We would like to help if we could, but, legally, I am precluded from doing so. Politically, Deputies in this House have got into a fair amount of trouble during the years for intervening in planning matters which did not get us anywhere. I understand the sentiments being expressed by the Deputy on behalf of her constituents. I have, however, outlined the process which must take its course. There is a fairly rigorous application procedure laid down under law in respect of licences that must be granted to allow the concerts to proceed. I advise those involved to go through these processes. This is primarily a matter for the planning department of Dublin City Council, to which written submissions can be sent. The case outlined by the Deputy on behalf of her constituents can be made as robustly as possible.
    http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2014041000032?opendocument

    Particularly fond of this from the last paragraph.
    "Politically, Deputies in this House have got into a fair amount of trouble during the years for intervening in planning matters which did not get us anywhere."
    :)

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    A lot has happened today. Link already in the thread preceding this.

    Garth does not make his statement toady. This statement was to include his decision on the Irish Question, ie Croke Park. He will now have a statement on Thursday.

    "Residents" call off their protest against the concerts, later modified to there being no need to protest as the extra concerts are cancelled. It emerges that there are at least seven different and un-united"resident" Groups.

    The Government announced initiating emergency legislation to fastrack planning and relieve the Garth Brooks situation. If implemented it removes the decision from DCC.

    A resident has filed a legal injunction to stop all five concerts and is served today.

    I know I'm missing something.

    The Gov cannot initiate emergency legislation on this issue, the Constitution is very clear on the very limited circumstances under which emergency legislation may be introduced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Reality?

    They were cancelled because the decision was made, there was no alterations of anything.

    Quantify, where did I say anything like that ~ and you should see the online headlines too alongside my statements.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Rasheed wrote: »
    How many different residents groups are there?

    Well there's;

    The Real CPA

    The continuity CPA

    The provisional CPA

    And the INLCPA

    I'm sure to be missing one or two but they're the biggest hitters.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Link me to a source for this please?

    It's a few posts back. I've been here all day. It was a fantastic day with breaking stories, no doubt they will all be collected and updated by the morning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    It's a few posts back. I've been here all day. It was a fantastic day with breaking stories, no doubt they will all be collected and updated by the morning.

    You make a claim it is up to you to provide a source for it when asked.

    It's late..have you a source for that or not?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    You make a claim it is up to you to provide a source for it when asked.

    It's late..have you a source for that or not?

    Of course not, just like his claim that Pfizer (which he couldn't even spell correctly) would pull out of Ireland over this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    You make a claim it is up to you to provide a source for it when asked.

    It's late..have you a source for that or not?

    This thread. This very thread you are reading. All links are around the 5 O'Clock mark.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    This thread. This very thread you are reading. All links are around the 5 O'Clock mark.

    Then you should have no problem finding them and relinking here rather that have us guess which links around then you're referring to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    This thread. This very thread you are reading. All links are around the 5 O'Clock mark.

    So no source then. Telling lies or living in a fantasyland where winged TDs will swoop down to save the day in white stetsons.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Of course not, just like his claim that Pfizer (which he couldn't even spell correctly) would pull out of Ireland over this!

    You only show yourself up you know, lose credibility and encourage others to be lazy and not read the god dam threads.

    There are loads of ads attached to this, as I understand, not that I see them myself, but I am not going to deprive boards from income by providing outside links that are FREELY availability in the SAME thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    So no source then. Telling lies or living in a fantasyland where winged TDs will swoop down to save the day in white stetsons.

    OMG. Tomorrow's Indo Headline.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    That article just says there are calls for the government to do something not that the government announced they would.
    Red Nissan said
    The Government announced initiating emergency legislation to fastrack planning
    If that's the link he's referring to then he has either badly misinterpreted it or is badly misrepresenting it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character



    FF looking to amend the planning laws.
    The brown envelope brigade are back!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42



    FF are the opposition, not The Government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    FF looking to amend the planning laws.
    The brown envelope brigade are back!

    They never went away you know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    FF are the opposition, not The Government.

    What? Since when?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭TomoBhoy


    Personally you can choose where to live, I didn't want to live in a city so I chose not too, Croke Park has been there long before the people who bought houses there, they knew what they were getting themselves into by living beside it, if they wanted a quiet life they should off chose living in the sticks, as much as I am not much of a fan of Brooks I think it's ridiculous that this is going on.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    They never went away you know.

    And it will be at least another generation until they get power again, especially with that retard from cork leading them!


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