Judge gives mother, guilty of manslaughter, suspended sentence.

Pocoyo · 07-07-2014 07:13PM #1

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/judge-gives-woman-suspended-sentence-for-sons-manslaughter-635602.html?utm_source=iosapp&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=sharebutton

How do women keep getting away with murder,She smothered her 8 year old son I am sick of hearing these stories more and more of these stories are being reported and the women tend to get light or no sentences on mental grounds.

An 8 year old child is dead.

Odelay · 07-07-2014 07:17PM

But it was manslaughter not murder.

WellThen? · 07-07-2014 07:17PM

"She has been in the Central Mental Hospital since 2012, but no longer meets the criteria for a mental disorder."

So now that she is no longer "mental" she not only gets out of the hospital but also gets to go home? I can't understand it.

Arthur Beesley · 07-07-2014 07:18PM

Pocoyo wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/judge-gives-woman-suspended-sentence-for-sons-manslaughter-635602.html?utm_source=iosapp&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=sharebutton

How do women keep getting away with murder,She smothered her 8 year old son I am sick of hearing these stories more and more of these stories are being reported and the women tend to get light or no sentences on mental grounds.

An 8 year old child is dead.

and the mother can't possibly have been sane.

Pocoyo · 07-07-2014 07:18PM

Odelay wrote: »

But it was manslaughter not murder.

Smothering a child with a pillow is murder legal definition or not.

Karl Stein · 07-07-2014 07:21PM

Pocoyo wrote: »

How do women keep getting away with murder

How bad is this women-getting-away-with-murder thing?

Any statistics?

Maphisto · 07-07-2014 07:22PM

Its a very sad story. A story that she will carry with her for ever.

I don't really see any value for her or society in locking her up. She needs help but prison I'm not so sure.

Fr_Dougal · 07-07-2014 07:25PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

How bad is this women-getting-away-with-murder thing?

Any statistics?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tragic-mother-cleared-of-murdering-daughter-26345241.html

Pocoyo · 07-07-2014 07:26PM

Maphisto wrote: »

Its a very sad story. A story that she will carry with her for ever.

I don't really see any value for her or society in locking her up. She needs help but prison I'm not so sure.

But why do you never hear these stories about murdering fathers!
Its awfully sad that his poor child died his life was deemed worthless by the court system if anyone else but his own mother murdered him there would of been prison sentences.

Manach · 07-07-2014 07:26PM

My reading on criminal law does suggest that women do receive lighter custodial sentences due to a variety of factors, not less their gender. However in spite of the horrible nature of this, given the likelihood of re-offending is very very low, then a suspended sentence, whilst light, might not serve the best interests of society.

Awkward Badger · 07-07-2014 07:27PM

Pocoyo wrote: »

Smothering a child with a pillow is murder legal definition or not.

She was convicted of manslaughter so she's guilty of manslaughter and can only be sentenced for manslaughter. Clue was in the title of the article you linked to.

"Judge gives woman suspended sentence for son's manslaughter" which you daily mailed for your thread title.

Pocoyo · 07-07-2014 07:30PM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

She was convicted of manslaughter so she's guilty of manslaughter and can only be convicted for manslaughter. Clue was in the title of the article you link to.

"Judge gives woman suspended sentence for son's manslaughter"

I know but she should have been convicted of murder and my view stands i deem smothering a defenseless child murder. Do you listen to and believe everything the courts or government say or do you only believe this kind of nonsense when it suits your mood at the time?

marienbad · 07-07-2014 07:31PM

Pocoyo wrote: »

But why do you never hear these stories about murdering fathers!
Its awfully sad that his poor child died his life was deemed worthless by the court system if anyone else but his own mother murdered him there would of been prison sentences.

Each case is taken on its own merits. So it makes no difference how many other examples happened.

It was the only possible verdict and I would like to think if it was a father it would be exactly the same.

LETHAL LADY · 07-07-2014 07:32PM

I can think of a couple of murder-suicides at the hands of fathers in the past 10 years. The difference between this case and those is the parent responsible also died.

Pocoyo · 07-07-2014 07:33PM

marienbad wrote: »

Each case is taken on its own merits. So it makes no difference how many other examples happened.

It was the only possible verdict and I would like to think if it was a father it would be exactly the same.

Can you link one case of a ''Father'' murdering his child and receiving a suspended sentence on mental health grounds?

Maphisto · 07-07-2014 07:34PM

Pocoyo wrote: »

But why do you never hear these stories about murdering fathers!
.

I don't know tbh - I suspect that the bond between Mother and child is different to Father and child. Women, I suspect commit significantly less violent offences than men.

Its awfully sad that his poor child died his life was deemed worthless by the court system if anyone else but his own mother murdered him there would of been prison sentences

I don't quite get your point there. If a crime is commited against you assault or robbery - your pain has no worth unless the perpetrator gets jail time?

Having his Mother serve time won't do anything for the son.

07-07-2014 07:35PM

Odelay wrote: »

But it was manslaughter not murder.

Seems to be the case with every murder committed in Ireland nowadays.
That is, the ones that actually get as far as a court.

Starmixed · 07-07-2014 07:36PM

Maphisto wrote: »

Its a very sad story. A story that she will carry with her for ever.

I don't really see any value for her or society in locking her up. She needs help but prison I'm not so sure.

Would you say the same fir a man??

She was declared sane and sent home from the hospital. Therefore she shouldn't be allowed to use that card.

Scum. Gallows is the best place.

Bongalongherb · 07-07-2014 07:37PM

It's murder, plain and simple. A suspended sentence :eek: the whole justice system in this backward country is a shambles.

Awkward Badger · 07-07-2014 07:37PM

Pocoyo wrote: »

I know but she should have been convicted of murder and my view stands i deem smothering a defenseless child murder. Do you listen to and believe everything the courts or government say or do you only believe this kind of nonsense when it suits your mood at the time?

What kind of nonsense ? I don't believe anything I'm just going on the facts that I know. What I know is she was deemed to be unwell at the time she did it and was convicted of manslaughter. That's a fact. What you have is an opinion and an eagerness to sensationalise.

I agree with Maphisto too. I don't see much benefit to locking her up over getting her help.

egghead. · 07-07-2014 07:38PM

Starmixed wrote: »

Would you say the same fir a man??

She was declared sane and sent home from the hospital. Therefore she shouldn't be allowed to use that card.

Scum. Gallows is the best place.

People do terrible things when depressed, ita an illness, the brain doesn't be thinking straight, bastard of a disease.

Awkward Badger · 07-07-2014 07:39PM

Starmixed wrote: »

Would you say the same fir a man??

She was declared sane and sent home from the hospital. Therefore she shouldn't be allowed to use that card.

Scum. Gallows is the best place.

Its not like she's walking out the door with no more said about it.

Having heard evidence from a consultant psychiatrist that there is a suitable voluntary in-patient placement for her in Cork, Mr Justice Barry White imposed a seven-year suspended sentence, on an undertaking that she remains there until such time she is considered fit to return to the community.

Maphisto · 07-07-2014 07:42PM

Starmixed wrote: »

Would you say the same fir a man??

Possibly.

She was declared sane and sent home from the hospital. Therefore she shouldn't be allowed to use that card.

Card? Its not a game of Monopoly
Mr Justice Barry White said the case was "particularly tragic" as Diane Ward was "clearly very troubled" at the time of the killing at her home in Harrison's Place, Charleville in September 2012

Scum. Gallows is the best place.

Of course because we're renaming the country Saudi Arabia.

El Weirdo · 07-07-2014 07:42PM

Pocoyo wrote: »

I know but she should have been convicted of murder ...

Not according to people far more learned than you, who are also in possession of all the facts pertaining to this particular case.

Pawwed Rig · 07-07-2014 07:43PM

Maphisto wrote: »

I don't know tbh - I suspect that the bond between Mother and child is different to Father and child.

All mothers and all fathers? Different how? Relevant how?

07-07-2014 07:49PM

Maphisto wrote: »

.............Of course because we're renaming the country Saudi Arabia.

Naw. Beheading is the preferred method of execution in Saudi Arabia.
Starmixed mentioned the gallows.
Case like this, I'm good with either.

problemchimp · 07-07-2014 07:49PM

Starmixed wrote: »

Would you say the same fir a man??

She was declared sane and sent home from the hospital. Therefore she shouldn't be allowed to use that card.

Scum. Gallows is the best place.

Calm down

Reformed Character · 07-07-2014 07:50PM

Pocoyo wrote: »

Smothering a child with a pillow is murder legal definition or not.

No its not.
Except if you are an internet crusader constantly on the lookout for your next reason for moral outrage in hope of thanks!:rolleyes:

problemchimp · 07-07-2014 07:53PM

323 wrote: »

Naw. Beheading is the preferred method of execution in Saudi Arabia.
Awkward Badger mentioned the gallows.
Case like this, I'm good with either.

I hope you retain your good mental health, I'd hate to see you executed or pushed off your high horse.

Pocoyo · 07-07-2014 07:55PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

No its not.
Except if you are an internet crusader constantly on the lookout for your next reason for moral outrage in hope of thanks!:rolleyes:

Internet crusader,I started on thread about a child abuctor on the run and this.

You try to hard do i have a bully?? Are you my personal nemesis? :pac:

Maphisto · 07-07-2014 07:58PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

All mothers and all fathers? Different how? Relevant how?

I don't know. Which is why I prefaced the remark as I did.

I think courts view the maternal bond as tighter.

Judge gives mother, guilty of manslaughter, suspended sentence.

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