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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #6362
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Wrong!
    That is NOT the reason given by DCC for refusing the licence.
    I suggest you read their decision before making an even bigger fool of yourself!

    I'm talking about what was said in the decision.. and yet you tell me to read it?
    Peppa Pig wrote: »
    So how did they grant a licence for three more concerts, if BP rules were breached (let's ignore the fact that they actually weren't)

    Isn't it funny how I am being told to read the council's decision, when clearly it is the other side that has not.

    The licence was granted (even though the three concert rule was already reached, because of what the council referred to as "mitigation measures" that had been put forth by Aitken. They agreed to let three go ahead but the they refused the two based on over intensification grounds, which of course was down to the fact that three concerts had already taken place. Here is a quote from DCC:
    "Given that Croke Park is situated in a heavily populated residential area, five shows in a row following on from the three concerts already held there this year is considered an over intensification of use of the stadium for the holding of special events/concerts"
    The crux of the refusal of licence for the five concerts is to minimize disruption to the neighbourhood in which the concerts are due to take place and this harks back to the 1993 rule by Bord Pleanala that no more than three concerts must take place there each year. Had Bord Pleanala said 12 per year was the number not be exceeded, then the licence would have of course been granted for the five concerts, as then Bord Pleanala's rule (which was arrived at by having discussion with residents) would then not have been breached.


  • #6363
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Nope!
    That would just encourage Aiken, the GAA and other greedy bástards to do this again and again.

    I dispute this. Unless I'm being duped, my understanding is that a product went on sale and broke all previous records for take up.

    Unless I'm being duped, this was not a foreseeable situation.


  • #6364
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Peppa Pig wrote: »
    Keyboard warrior talk.....
    If you were serious you'd fly to NJ and break a few wing mirrors before taking a dump in someone's garden.

    How many gardens have people dumped in around Croke Park? This is just more of the gross exaggeration of public disorder being pushed by the minority.


  • #6365
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    I'm talking about what was said in the decision.. and yet you tell me to read it?



    Isn't it funny how I am being told to read the council's decision, when clearly it is the other side that has not.

    The licence was granted (even though the three concert rule was already reached, because of "mitigation measures" put forth by Aitken. They agreed to let three go ahead but the they refused the two based on over intensification grounds, which of course was down to the fact that three concerts had already taken place. Here is a quote from DCC: The crux of the refusal of licence for the five concerts is to minimize disruption to the neighbourhood in which the concerts are due to take place and this harks back to the 1993 rule by Bord Pleanala that no more than three concerts must take place there each year. Had Bord Pleanala said 12 per year was the number not be exceeded, then the licence would have of course been granted for the five concerts, as then Bord Pleanala's rule (which was arrived at by having discussion with residents) would then not have been breached.

    Seldom have I read such unadulterated tripe!


  • #6366
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Which would have been a huge promotion for others in other industries so see such a progressive facilitation in a unique situation.

    Assuming that the initial two concerts were hoped to be filled and a third fulfilling demand, and not a stunt where they knew or expected to fill five concerts and only planned two with an extra option.

    I believe it was an unexpected sell out.

    It's a clear message to business that you can't expand as demand for you product increases, so you must consider that if setting up in Ireland.

    And as for news stories, it's what gets into the private trade magazines that counts.

    We are talking about a concert here, not a G8 summit.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #6367
    Titzon Toast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    How many gardens have people dumped in around Croke Park? This is just more of the gross exaggeration of public disorder being pushed by the minority.
    Nope. It's been threatened numerous times along with forced car mirror removal etc.
    Classy bunch these GB fans...


  • #6368
    BonkeyDonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭BonkeyDonker


    ardle1 wrote: »
    Ok, lets just say(for talks sake)that the only people livid and infuriated about this decision are the actual ticket holders, and maybe 4 immediate family ok..... Just say over 350,000 people ok yeah.... So that's not counting us(outsiders)..... Now for those people alone and for Humanitarian(I know a bit over the top for some off you)reasons! The two nights should be reinstated.
    Peppa Pig wrote: »
    Going to see Garth Brooks is not a human right.

    Humanity is helping those seriously disadvantaged through no fault of their own (famine, hurricane, war etc)
    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Humanitarian reasons? seriously?

    If humanitarian reasons were taken into account all five nights would have been cancelled.


  • #6369
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    I dispute this. Unless I'm being duped, my understanding is that a product went on sale and broke all previous records for take up.

    Unless I'm being duped, this was not a foreseeable situation.

    Then why create 2 extra concerts? He must have known there'd be demand. And even after sellout, you'd think he'd be of the opinion, "**** - better get the licence application in fast!" And not "**** it, I'll wait until the last possible minute."

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #6370
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    JRant wrote: »
    We are talking about a concert here, not a G8 summit.

    We are talking about a multi-million dollar international business.


  • #6371
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    I dispute this. Unless I'm being duped, my understanding is that a product went on sale and broke all previous records for take up.

    Unless I'm being duped, this was not a foreseeable situation.

    Hold on a god darn tooting minute. The promoter sold tickets for concerts they were very unlikely to get approval for. So who's duping who here?

    I'd also say that the interest on all those tickets has been earning a nice tidy sum for them also.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #6372
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,805 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Then why create 2 extra concerts? He must have known there'd be demand. And even after sellout, you'd think he'd be of the opinion, "**** - better get the licence application in fast!" And not "**** it, I'll wait until the last possible minute."

    It takes between 5-10 weeks to get the application processed (they say it has to be submitted at least 10 weeks before the event and it takes a minimum of 5 weeks to process because DCC have to allow 5 weeks for protests to be lodged). If they'd applied early and it had been refused they would still have a chance to make a modified application or apply for somewhere else.


  • #6373
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    We are talking about a multi-million dollar international business.

    No, we are talking about a few rich greedy bástards trying to run roughshod over the law because they think they are above it!
    Well they are not above it as they are finding out to their cost.


  • #6374
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,805 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    I dispute this. Unless I'm being duped, my understanding is that a product went on sale and broke all previous records for take up.

    Unless I'm being duped, this was not a foreseeable situation.

    It's called drop shipping. The idea is that I order 100 ipods from china. Before they even get here I sell them on.

    In this case the guy placed an order for two concerts and sold them on before he had them.


  • #6375
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    We are talking about a multi-million dollar international business.

    No, we're talking about 2 concerts.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #6376
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Grayson wrote: »
    It takes between 5-10 weeks to get the application processed (they say it has to be submitted at least 10 weeks before the event and it takes a minimum of 5 weeks to process because DCC have to allow 5 weeks for protests to be lodged). If they'd applied early and it had been refused they would still have a chance to make a modified application or apply for somewhere else.
    When did he announce the extra concerts?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #6377
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Then why create 2 extra concerts? He must have known there'd be demand.

    At the time there were two concerts advertised and sold out, a third and always optional concert was announced the next day and sold out that day.

    A day later a fourth concert sold out and two days later anther was added and I have not heard if this sold out completely.

    Did Aiken or Brooks know? I think there is too much money involved for them to have taken a chance, so I suspect it is genuine and demand far exceed expectations.

    What happened between the sell out and when one extra concert was added? I don't know. Two days later another concert was added. One would be surprised if the official situation had not been ironed out in the time intervals between adding the extra dates.


  • #6378
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    JRant wrote: »
    No, we're talking about 2 concerts.

    Which has the backing of international business, after all, show business is perhaps the best known business of them all.

    It's not just two student concerts that Dublin University or the Cork Pops want to put on.


  • #6379
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Peppa Pig wrote: »
    Until Aiken decided to have 13

    Exactly. Now you're getting it.

    The council are only not granting licences based on what has already been determined to be an appropriate level of disruption for the residents. The bar was set at three concerts per year and that rule was breached, hence why the council mentions the three concerts having already taking place. Had it been set at a dozen by Bord Pleanala following discussions with the residents, then yes, this would only have occurred had Aiten tried to put on 13, as then he would have breached the RULES.


  • #6380
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    420,000 people have tickets for the 2 nights that didn't get a license? That's some squeeze.

    Aiken said it was 420,000 for the five nights. I don't know if it's equally divided up or not.


  • #6381
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,269 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Aiken said it was 420,000 for the five nights. I don't know if it's equally divided up or not.

    But 3 of the nights have licenses.


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  • #6382
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    At the time there were two concerts advertised and sold out, a third and always optional concert was announced the next day and sold out that day.

    A day later a fourth concert sold out and two days later anther was added and I have not heard if this sold out completely.

    Did Aiken or Brooks know? I think there is too much money involved for them to have taken a chance, so I suspect it is genuine and demand far exceed expectations.

    What happened between the sell out and when one extra concert was added? I don't know. Two days later another concert was added. One would be surprised if the official situation had not been ironed out in the time intervals between adding the extra dates.

    Problem is that Aiken keeps claiming that it was always going to five, that what was always planned, in order words he planned on 5 from the get go!


  • #6383
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Norma_Desmond wrote: »
    That's twice as many concerts (total of 8) as they've allowed previous years. .

    That's not fully correct, it's three in a row, maximum three concerts one after the other, not just three a year.


  • #6384
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    That's not fully correct, it's three in a row, maximum three concerts one after the other, not just three a year.
    The PP says 3 a year!


  • #6385
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    But 3 of the nights have licenses.

    Seating capacity, less standing would be 160,000 estimated for the two unlicensed nights ~ but I suspect that all will be cancelled.


  • #6386
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    When Brooks was here earlier in the year, before tickets went on sale, he mentioned that he would play five if they sold five and so I would say that he was aware that the GAA / Aitken where planning for that if there was a demand for five.


  • #6387
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    The PP says 3 a year!

    It seems to say that, but each application for an event goes to Dublin Planning who makes the actual decision. Three nights in a row is mentioned in their statement.

    License was granted subject to the flowing:


  • #6388
    Nekarsulm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Would it be an idea to transfer it to Old Trafford for the 5 nights? Seating is just over 75 thousand, and when you are already travelling from the far side of the country, another 100 miles wouldn't make much difference. Accommodation in locality cheaper as well. Everybody happy.


  • #6389
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Which has the backing of international business, after all, show business is perhaps the best known business of them all.

    It's not just two student concerts that Dublin University or the Cork Pops want to put on.

    That makes no sense at all. What international business is backing him?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #6390
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Would it be an idea to transfer it to Old Trafford for the 5 nights? Seating is just over 75 thousand, and when you are already travelling from the far side of the country, another 100 miles wouldn't make much difference. Accommodation in locality cheaper as well. Everybody happy.

    Would Manchester City Council grant permission?
    :confused:


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  • #6391
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Would it be an idea to transfer it to Old Trafford for the 5 nights? Seating is just over 75 thousand, and when you are already travelling from the far side of the country, another 100 miles wouldn't make much difference. Accommodation in locality cheaper as well. Everybody happy.

    Garth Brooks is only interested in playing in Croke Park, full stop.

    He chose to make his comeback here and is not short of options of where to play. There might be a slim chance of playing the last two elsewhere, but there is not a snow's chance in hell he will make his comeback in another stadium in Europe. No way. He will just get on with the rest of his upcoming comeback tour, which was due to start here.

    In fact, tomorrow is the day it's rumoured that the details of which will be announced.


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